(Msg. 49) Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:47 pm
Post subject: Re: What is wrong with WinME? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windowsme>general (more info?)
Sounds like an acceptable offer.
I take mine with cream for sure and a little sugar, if present.
All that's left to do is, making some time......
Meanwhile,
Cheers. <H>.
"Pogle S. Wood" <wood.pogle.RemoveThis@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> webster72n wrote:
> > What's Shane doing in Amsterdam??? <H>.
> >
> If he's anything like me he'd come for the coffee.
>
> P.
>
>
> >
> > "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> > news:ut2wHktBJHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> Hi Shane, with reference to your comments (and miles OT), re the
> >> Linux family, I had previously never really felt the need to dabble
> >> until both you and (I think) Alias 'publicised' Ubunto (in
> >> particular) some time last year which resulted in my bad experience.
> >> However, I have since taken the occasional look at some of the
> >> various Linux sites - but not in any great depth.
> >>
> >> I did also try OpenOffice (for Windows) and found it reasonably
> >> close to MS Office to be of very good value for money. However (and
> >> there's nearly always a however in my posts) the major thing that
> >> puts me off Linux is the vast number of sub-families (Linux, Red
> >> Hat, Ubunto, SUSE, SLED, ad infinitum, not to mention a whole
> >> menagerie of species) and their subsequent issue numbers.
> >>
> >> Now I can just about get my head around the concept of the MS DOS,
> >> 3.xx, Win9x series and then XP and now Vista but just can't see in
> >> which direction Linux is going - or more particularly, which
> >> family/version/issue is the best for me. Even Wikipedia leaves me
> >> bemused. And, why so many 'new releases'? Are these the equivalent
> >> of MS WU's or SP's?
> >>
> >>> ... have lists of bugs in the 'latest release' that
> >>> run into thousands).
> >>
> >> Hmm .. I suppose that might explain it then. Not a very good selling
> >> point.
> >>
> >> These days, I just want an operating system that works (for me and my
> >> computing friends) - and currently MS fulfil that requirement - I
> >> don't want to have to re-learn a whole new method of running a word
> >> processor or checking my bank account, or have to re-write reports
> >> in a different format because nobody else's OS can read them. I'm
> >> used to the Windows way, it works for me (without too much
> >> discomfort) though why Works and Office don't talk to each other is
> >> beyond my ken. To have to start worrying whether I should have
> >> installed Samba or Zimbrain, or version 8.04 LTS or version
> >> 3.079. I don't think I'm a Luddite.but it just seems too much for my
> >> brain to handle. My head hurts! Never did do the acid test and
> >> probably far to old and sensible by now but then I don't remember
> >> too much of the 60's either. I'm off to lie down in a darkened room.
> >>
> >> Mart
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Pogle S. Wood" <wood.pogle.RemoveThis@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:%23BD45NfBJHA.3396@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>> Mart wrote:
> >>>> Regarding mulibooting, I've never ventured in that direction
> >>>> (except for a bad experience with Ubuntu) - although I did once
> >>>> try (not too successfully) to run VM on XP Home. (Its
> >>>> incompatible!). Nor do I have SATA/RAID, so can't really comment
> >>>> on those aspects.
> >>>
> >>> I don't recall how widely I publicised this before but over the
> >>> years I've been periodically trialing Linux distros, culminating in
> >>> last summer when I
> >>> ran something like 8 simultaneously. I have concluded that the only
> >>> one that
> >>> seriously challenges Windows is SUSE/openSUSE. Yet it too had too
> >>> many errors or too serious a bug and I deleted 10.3. This May's
> >>> openSUSE 11.0 was
> >>> a great improvement - but it is still hampered by the boot
> >>> management/partition management that they all are. I just deleted
> >>> it last weekend. Because I'm sick of it insisting a Primary
> >>> partition is an Extended, Logical partition - and changing it to
> >>> such if you don't stop it -
> >>> and proposing - entirely unnecessarily - to resize an actual Logical
> >>> partition that whether FAT32 or NTFS, is in use and I have already
> >>> set up where and how large I want and do not want resized! And if
> >>> you allow it to auto-install, it *will* resize that partition
> >>> without consulting you. Because like a true Linux type it knows
> >>> best and cannot even comprehend that, well, just *maybe* it does
> >>> not?
> >>>
> >>> Even this, the best of the distros is a pita to install - or to
> >>> restore from
> >>> a backup - to a multiboot system to co-exist with Windows. Microsoft
> >>> systems
> >>> are good at this; Linux is awful at it - yet the vast army of Linux
> >>> apologists think Windows is the problem.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway - if you want to try Linux again, try openSUSE. Possibly it
> >>> is better
> >>> for being produced these days by Novell, who as we know have been
> >>> in the business a long time and not as amateurs. They are derided
> >>> for the deal made
> >>> with MS - possibly rightly so. But the problem with the Linux
> >>> apologists is
> >>> what matters to them is drowning out criticism.
> >>>
> >>> Debian and it's derivatives (notably *buntu) are the worse at
> >>> installing on
> >>> a multiboot system. Fedora and Mandriva are lots better, but
> >>> Mandriva still
> >>> has too many bugs though certainly no more than *buntu (all the
> >>> distros have
> >>> lists of bugs in the 'latest release' that run into thousands).
> >>>
> >>> *buntu and Fedora limit far too much what you can do; Fedora
> >>> because it is derived from a server system (Red Hat) and *buntu
> >>> because it is aimed at the
> >>> inexpert user, so they are no good for a 'power user' - in the same
> >>> way that
> >>> XP Pro is more suited than XP Home.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> btw Mart, I feel this is a legitimate offshoot of the original
> >>>>> thread,
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps Shane, perhaps not. My view was even with the first of only
> >>>> three posts by the OP in this thread, LM had come in 'rant' rather
> >>>> than 'reason' mode. And judging by the amount of flack he's left
> >>>> behind him, I was probably right. (Seems he's doing similar things
> >>>> in the Win98 groups)
> >>>
> >>> Oh, really.
> >>>
> >>> Well, I do feel such ill-informed diatribes need to be corrected
> >>> for the sake of others who have heard something like it and would
> >>> possibly take it as the reinforcement that finally tips their
> >>> scales.
> >>>
> >>>> I guess your final paragraph sums it all up. Even your expression
> >>>> 'Common Sense' was applied in a not too dissimilar context
> >>>> elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>> I'm well used to the notion of 'Common Sense' being more of an
> >>> effort to defend long-held misconceptions than to arrive at any
> >>> sort of truth. It is something of a hobbyhorse. Probably began when
> >>> reading Quantum Physics and dropping acid.
> >>>
> >>> P.
>
>
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