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Basically, the FCC, presumably under pressure from, or in league with, the
religious right, take your pick, bullied the ISPs into this. Since they have
bigger fish to fry, like ditching net neutrality, the ISPs tripped all over
themselves to comply. Verizon, to its credit, at least chose to keep the
part of the service that didn't generate any heat.

FWIW, here is the email they sent me:

<Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only offer
groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below. The
0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available. Users
will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups using our
Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would like
to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need to
subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that your use
of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and Acceptable
Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you may
experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds. Failure to
unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the Verizon network
or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a violation of our
Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you in
the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online>





Bill Blanton wrote:
> Perhaps Verizon is now blocking all NNTP?
>
> What happens if you use another email address domain? Mine is
> technically invalid, yet it doesn't stop me from accessing the
> msnews.microsoft.com server.
>
>
>
> "Roger Fink" <fink DeleteThis @manana.org> wrote in message
> news:uT3196UPJHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Sorry, but I'm still confused. I realize Comcast dropped support for
>> newsgroups, but Verizon only dropped support for some subset of
>> newsgroups
>> they offered. News.microsoft.com was retained.
>>
>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>> Repost:
>>>>> Are you a Comcast subscriber by any chance? =>
>>>>>
>>
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Discontinues-Newsgroup-Service-97785
>>>
>>> Roger Fink wrote:
>>>> Verizon is my ISP, my email address is @verizon.net, and I'm
>>>> subscribed to
>>>> this newsgroup through news.microsoft.com using OE.What am I
>>>> missing
>>>> here?
>>>>
>>>> Urge wrote:
>>>>> I had access to this group for years in OE newsgroups but I can't
>>>>> access them anymore so I had to signup for this windows live
>>>>> thing.
>>>>> what is up with this? I couldn't use my e-mail address
>>>>> (verizon.net) " The portion of your e-mail address that follows
>>>>> the @ symbol is
>>>>> part of a "reserved domain" such as live.com, hotmail.com, msn.com
>>>>> or passport.com. Please type a different e-mail address. "
>>>>> and had to go thru all this **** just to post ?s. Why is this
>>>>> happening? how can I get my newsgroups back? Why is MS making
>>>>> life
>>>>> so hard?

Longshot, but maybe OP's problem is that he hasn't unsubscribed from a
newsgroup now unsupported by Verizon, as they mention towards the end of
their email.

There's a difference between accessing this group or other
microsoft groups through your ISP's server and through the
MS server. Are you sure you are going through the MS server
directly, and not Verizon?

To quote your email from Verizon
>If you would like
> to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need to
> subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that your use
> of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and Acceptable
> Use Policy.

I'd call Verizon and ask them.






"Roger Fink" <fink DeleteThis @manana.org> wrote in message news:%23IqCbGWPJHA.1148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Basically, the FCC, presumably under pressure from, or in league with, the
> religious right, take your pick, bullied the ISPs into this. Since they have
> bigger fish to fry, like ditching net neutrality, the ISPs tripped all over
> themselves to comply. Verizon, to its credit, at least chose to keep the
> part of the service that didn't generate any heat.
>
> FWIW, here is the email they sent me:
>
> <Dear Verizon Online Customer,
>
> As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
> important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.
>
> On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only offer
> groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below. The
> 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available. Users
> will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups using our
> Newsgroup service.
>
> comp.*
> humanities.*
> misc.*
> news.*
> rec.*
> sci.*
> soc.*
> talk.*
>
> More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
> http://www.big-8.org/.
>
> This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would like
> to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need to
> subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that your use
> of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and Acceptable
> Use Policy.
>
> There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
> unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
> 0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
> subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190
>
> IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you may
> experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds. Failure to
> unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the Verizon network
> or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a violation of our
> Acceptable Use Policy.
>
> We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you in
> the future.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Verizon Online>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Blanton wrote:
>> Perhaps Verizon is now blocking all NNTP?
>>
>> What happens if you use another email address domain? Mine is
>> technically invalid, yet it doesn't stop me from accessing the
>> msnews.microsoft.com server.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Roger Fink" <fink DeleteThis @manana.org> wrote in message
>> news:uT3196UPJHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Sorry, but I'm still confused. I realize Comcast dropped support for
>>> newsgroups, but Verizon only dropped support for some subset of
>>> newsgroups
>>> they offered. News.microsoft.com was retained.
>>>
>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>> Repost:
>>>>>> Are you a Comcast subscriber by any chance? =>
>>>>>>
>>>
> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Discontinues-Newsgroup-Service-97785
>>>>
>>>> Roger Fink wrote:
>>>>> Verizon is my ISP, my email address is @verizon.net, and I'm
>>>>> subscribed to
>>>>> this newsgroup through news.microsoft.com using OE.What am I
>>>>> missing
>>>>> here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Urge wrote:
>>>>>> I had access to this group for years in OE newsgroups but I can't
>>>>>> access them anymore so I had to signup for this windows live
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>> what is up with this? I couldn't use my e-mail address
>>>>>> (verizon.net) " The portion of your e-mail address that follows
>>>>>> the @ symbol is
>>>>>> part of a "reserved domain" such as live.com, hotmail.com, msn.com
>>>>>> or passport.com. Please type a different e-mail address. "
>>>>>> and had to go thru all this **** just to post ?s. Why is this
>>>>>> happening? how can I get my newsgroups back? Why is MS making
>>>>>> life
>>>>>> so hard?
>
>

Yes, I checked it under Tools/Newsgroups in OE. You can access it either
way, but the checkmark is under the news.microsoft.com server account, not
news.verizon.net.

Bill Blanton wrote:
> There's a difference between accessing this group or other
> microsoft groups through your ISP's server and through the
> MS server. Are you sure you are going through the MS server
> directly, and not Verizon?
>
> To quote your email from Verizon
>> If you would like
>> to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
>> to
>> subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
>> your use
>> of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and
>> Acceptable
>> Use Policy.
>
> I'd call Verizon and ask them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Roger Fink" <fink.DeleteThis@manana.org> wrote in message
> news:%23IqCbGWPJHA.1148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Basically, the FCC, presumably under pressure from, or in league
>> with, the
>> religious right, take your pick, bullied the ISPs into this. Since
>> they have
>> bigger fish to fry, like ditching net neutrality, the ISPs tripped
>> all over
>> themselves to comply. Verizon, to its credit, at least chose to keep
>> the
>> part of the service that didn't generate any heat.
>>
>> FWIW, here is the email they sent me:
>>
>> <Dear Verizon Online Customer,
>>
>> As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
>> some
>> important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
>> service.
>>
>> On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to
>> only offer
>> groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
>> The
>> 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
>> Users
>> will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups using
>> our
>> Newsgroup service.
>>
>> comp.*
>> humanities.*
>> misc.*
>> news.*
>> rec.*
>> sci.*
>> soc.*
>> talk.*
>>
>> More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available
>> at: http://www.big-8.org/.
>>
>> This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you
>> would like
>> to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
>> to
>> subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
>> your use
>> of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and
>> Acceptable
>> Use Policy.
>>
>> There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
>> unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and
>> the
>> 0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains
>> how to
>> subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190
>>
>> IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups,
>> you may
>> experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
>> Failure to
>> unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the Verizon
>> network
>> or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a violation
>> of our
>> Acceptable Use Policy.
>>
>> We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve
>> you in
>> the future.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>> Verizon Online>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Blanton wrote:
>>> Perhaps Verizon is now blocking all NNTP?
>>>
>>> What happens if you use another email address domain? Mine is
>>> technically invalid, yet it doesn't stop me from accessing the
>>> msnews.microsoft.com server.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roger Fink" <fink.DeleteThis@manana.org> wrote in message
>>> news:uT3196UPJHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Sorry, but I'm still confused. I realize Comcast dropped support
>>>> for
>>>> newsgroups, but Verizon only dropped support for some subset of
>>>> newsgroups
>>>> they offered. News.microsoft.com was retained.
>>>>
>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>> Repost:
>>>>>>> Are you a Comcast subscriber by any chance? =>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Discontinues-Newsgroup-Service-97785
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Fink wrote:
>>>>>> Verizon is my ISP, my email address is @verizon.net, and I'm
>>>>>> subscribed to
>>>>>> this newsgroup through news.microsoft.com using OE.What am I
>>>>>> missing
>>>>>> here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Urge wrote:
>>>>>>> I had access to this group for years in OE newsgroups but I
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> access them anymore so I had to signup for this windows live
>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>> what is up with this? I couldn't use my e-mail address
>>>>>>> (verizon.net) " The portion of your e-mail address that follows
>>>>>>> the @ symbol is
>>>>>>> part of a "reserved domain" such as live.com, hotmail.com,
>>>>>>> msn.com
>>>>>>> or passport.com. Please type a different e-mail address. "
>>>>>>> and had to go thru all this **** just to post ?s. Why is this
>>>>>>> happening? how can I get my newsgroups back? Why is MS making
>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>> so hard?

Roger Fink wrote:
> Basically, the FCC, presumably under pressure from, or in league with, the
> religious right, take your pick, bullied the ISPs into this. Since they have
> bigger fish to fry, like ditching net neutrality, the ISPs tripped all over
> themselves to comply. Verizon, to its credit, at least chose to keep the
> part of the service that didn't generate any heat.

PLEASE don't blame the federal FCC for New York state's disregard for
the first amendment of the federal constitution! The whole problem
resulted from New York's efforts to get the ISPs to delete child
pornography that customers had been posting on binary groups. Some files
were present as a result of mirroring other Usenet servers. Instead of
deleting/blocking the offending files or the groups that frequently
contain them, some ISPs overreacted by dropping mirrors of the WHOLE
alt. branch of Usenet for ALL their customers, even those not living in
New York.

> FWIW, here is the email they sent me:
>
> <Dear Verizon Online Customer,
>
> As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
> important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.
>
> On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only offer
> groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below. The
> 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available. Users
> will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups using our
> Newsgroup service.
>
> comp.*
> humanities.*
> misc.*
> news.*
> rec.*
> sci.*
> soc.*
> talk.*
>
> More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
> http://www.big-8.org/.
>
> This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would like
> to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need to
> subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that your use
> of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and Acceptable
> Use Policy.
>
> There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
> unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
> 0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
> subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190
>
> IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you may
> experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds. Failure to
> unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the Verizon network
> or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a violation of our
> Acceptable Use Policy.
>
> We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you in
> the future.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Verizon Online>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Blanton wrote:
>> Perhaps Verizon is now blocking all NNTP?
>>
>> What happens if you use another email address domain? Mine is
>> technically invalid, yet it doesn't stop me from accessing the
>> msnews.microsoft.com server.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Roger Fink" <fink.TakeThisOut@manana.org> wrote in message
>> news:uT3196UPJHA.4776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Sorry, but I'm still confused. I realize Comcast dropped support for
>>> newsgroups, but Verizon only dropped support for some subset of
>>> newsgroups
>>> they offered. News.microsoft.com was retained.
>>>
>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>> Repost:
>>>>>> Are you a Comcast subscriber by any chance? =>
>>>>>>
> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Discontinues-Newsgroup-Service-97785
>>>> Roger Fink wrote:
>>>>> Verizon is my ISP, my email address is @verizon.net, and I'm
>>>>> subscribed to
>>>>> this newsgroup through news.microsoft.com using OE.What am I
>>>>> missing
>>>>> here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Urge wrote:
>>>>>> I had access to this group for years in OE newsgroups but I can't
>>>>>> access them anymore so I had to signup for this windows live
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>> what is up with this? I couldn't use my e-mail address
>>>>>> (verizon.net) " The portion of your e-mail address that follows
>>>>>> the @ symbol is
>>>>>> part of a "reserved domain" such as live.com, hotmail.com, msn.com
>>>>>> or passport.com. Please type a different e-mail address. "
>>>>>> and had to go thru all this **** just to post ?s. Why is this
>>>>>> happening? how can I get my newsgroups back? Why is MS making
>>>>>> life
>>>>>> so hard?
>
>

Roger Fink wrote:
> Sorry, but I'm still confused. I realize Comcast dropped support for
> newsgroups, but Verizon only dropped support for some subset of
> newsgroups they offered. News.microsoft.com was retained.

Verizon has - and never had - nothing to do with news.microsoft.com. You
connect to the internet via Verizon. The MS news server is just another
internet site site to which you can connect. Ditto with Comcast. The OP
could connect to news.microsoft.com via Comcast if he configured OE to do
so.

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