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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:36 pm
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"b.jeswine" <me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in news:gd30md$727$1@aioe.org:

> In news:6lkbk2FcjmsgU1@mid.individual.net,
> ms <ms.DeleteThis@invalid.com> typed:
>
>> Here is the rest of the data, pinging my ISP.
>> ------------
> ...
>> 12:38:49.218 Reply from 4.243.1.63: bytes=64 time<0ms TTL=128
> ...
>> I think this says I can ping my ISP, can't ping a web address.
>
> No it doesn't. There will never be any such thing as an instantaneous
> response; the best response time you'll get will be fractions of a
> millisecond. Did you edit what you posted to change it from
> "time<10ms"?
>
> Beside, that is NOT your ISP. Open the command window and type at the
> prompt:
>
> D:\junk> nslookup 4.243.1.63
> ...
> Name: dialup-4.243.1.63.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net
> Address: 4.243.1.63
>
> If you want to pin a machine at your ISP, try one of their
> nameservers:
>
> D:\junk> nslookup -query=NS Seattle1.Level3.net
> ...
> Seattle1.Level3.net nameserver = ns1.Level3.net
> Seattle1.Level3.net nameserver = ns2.Level3.net
> ns1.Level3.net internet address = 209.244.0.1
> ns2.Level3.net internet address = 209.244.0.2
>
> Make sure your DUN (Dial-Up-Networking) interface is using
> DHCP-assigned IP address and name servers (right-click on the DUN
> definition in "Network and Dial-up Connections" -> Properties ->
> Networking tab -> Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) -> Properties, then
> choose BOTH automatic entries, save eberything on your way out), then
> re-connect. If you still have connectivity problems, go back to the
> basics in the command window. Copy and paste the entire results of
> these 2 commands in your reply, please:
>
> ipconfig /all
>
> and
>
> route print
>
> In case copying from a command window is unfamiliar to you, just
> highlight the text to copy with the pointer device, release the
> pointer and then press the Enter key, then you can paste into your
> reply to this post.
>
Thanks for the info, will save for next time. As in my other post in the
thread, the address was wrong, you detailed what I had to do to change
it.


>> Better mention, I have used Firefox from the Netscape days, the
>> current version I use is 2.0.0.17 ...
>
> Get Ff 3.x which has been available for some months now, most recent
> update was last week or so. Using old software is begging for
> problems; there's a good reason why new stuff is freely available. All
> your bookmarks etc. will be retained.
>
> BTW, also check your FF Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Network tab ->
> Settings button and make sure everything is as it should be wrt proxy
> usage.
>
I don't agree with "Using old software is begging for
problems". I don't want to start a big thread in this, just responding
to you.
I use W98SE on several machines (old software), never had real problems
that I see on the ng's, my W2K (old software) works fine with minimal
patches, careful browsing works for me. I use lots of freeware utilities
and in frequent cases, the next version has problems.

With Firefox, when they went to 3, they stopped using the bookmark
system, so I will plan to use 2.X for a long time in the future. Even
today, in a W98 machine, I went back from 2.0.0.17 to 2.0.0.15 as some
new features didn't work as well as the older version.

My general comment would be- try a newer version cautiously, but save the
older version just in case.

ms
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:36 pm
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ms wrote:

> With Firefox, when they went to 3, they stopped using the bookmark
> system,

Huh? I have Firefox 3 and it has bookmarks. Am I misunderstanding this?
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:37 pm
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ms <ms.TakeThisOut@invalid.com> wrote in news:6l7bteFb0jacU1@mid.individual.net:

> Normally my W2000/SP4 custom desktop runs fine. It was built with SP4
> installed 3 years ago, no patches since then, daily browsing (DUN)
> with Firefox and Xnews newsreader since then, never *had* problems
> until about 6 weeks ago.
>
> I don't use MS software except for the OS, no commercial software,
> usually small noinstall freeware utilities, has always been very
> troublefree.
>
> 6 weeks ago, on daily cold boot, worked fine one day, installed
> nothing, don't use registry cleaners, etc.
>
> The next day, DUN was normal, Firefox opened normally, but it was not
> browsing. I disabled the firewall, no help, I checked seveal things,
> everything seemed normal. I changed nothing. I went to another XP
> machine, works fine on same DUN connection. I ran several AV
> programs, clean results.
>
> The next day, browsing was normal. Normal for the next few weeks, one
> day, I sent an email, 5 minutes later it stopped browsing.
>
> I went back to a month-old registry, it started browsing again.
>
> Today it is again not browsing. I'm writing this in another computer.
>
> I have the rollup patch of about a year ago, waiting to install it
> after I backup everything.
>
> I just read an earlier post here that says W2K is very vulnerable,
> will get infected in minutes unless patched, that is not my
> experience, SP4 helps with some issues, I'm sure. Careful browsing
> makes a lot of difference also.
>
> The way my machine normally works, there is nothing basic wrong, it
> worked years OK.
>
> Is there a missing patch that would account for this strange
> situation, or what?
>
> ms
>
>

Thanks to all for the help

ms
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:15 pm
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Sid Elbow <here.RemoveThis@there.com> wrote in news:48f656b1$0$12387$c3e8da3
@news.astraweb.com:

> ms wrote:
>
>> With Firefox, when they went to 3, they stopped using the bookmark
>> system,
>
> Huh? I have Firefox 3 and it has bookmarks. Am I misunderstanding this?
>

I read a month ago on a ng that Fx 2 users were upset when trying Fx 3 that
the bookmarks were a different system, bookmark utilities no longer worked.
They quoted a web page but I had no time to search it.

Do you have a bookmarks.htm file in Fx 3?

ms
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:15 pm
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ms wrote:

> I read a month ago on a ng that Fx 2 users were upset when trying Fx 3 that
> the bookmarks were a different system, bookmark utilities no longer worked.
> They quoted a web page but I had no time to search it.
>
> Do you have a bookmarks.htm file in Fx 3?

A search does turn up a number of (Firefox) bookmarks.html files but I
believe these are all left over from Firefox 2. I can't find anything
from FF3. Bookmark dropdowns etc *are* present as normal in the GUI
though and behave the same way and you can export them as an html file
if need be.

By "bookmark utilities" I assume you mean 3rd party Firefox add-ons. If
so, this is not a problem confined to bookmark utilities. The system of
user-generated add-ons sounds fine in theory but in my experience
whenever FF is updated (whether it be a version change or an
intermediate update), several of the add-on's fail. And being user
developed on an ad-hoc basis, there is no guarantee when (or if) these
utilities will ever be updated. Right now, I have more "broken" add-ons
than good ones. And given that FF seems to get updates even more
frequently than IE, I don't normally bother with the add-ons any more
they're just too much trouble.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:18 pm
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"John John (MVP)" <audetweld.DeleteThis@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in
news:uwjnrVvLJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

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>>
>> Good news- your earlier lookup command, my ISP text file did not have
>> that kind of data for my ISP so I called them. The address was
>> wrong- they had changed awhile ago, so I stopped browsing- wonderful!
>> They send a monthly billing email, could have notified people.
>>
>> They had me, in Internet Settings, change from a listed wrong address
>> to "find DNS automatically". That did it!
>>
>> A few minor questions:
>> My other XP and W98 machines work OK, so I guess I have to check as
>> above in each of them, they must be set to "find DNS automatically",
>> or they would have stopped browsing, as all my computers have the
>> same DUN settings.
>
> If the XP & W9x machines are working fine then they are probably
> already set to automatically find the DNS server, nowadays almost all
> ISPs have their clients use automatic settings obtain IP & DNS
> addresses.
>
>
>
>> Where is the normal log file that keeps track of events in W2K? I
>> just looked in C: and don't see it.
>
> They're .evt files in the %SystemRoot%\System32\Config folder.
> (%SystemRoot% is a variable for the system folder, WINNT on Windows
> 2000, or the same thing as %Windir%). You can't really read these
> files without special tools, use the Event Viewer to view the logs.
>
>
>> Thanks again
>
> You're welcome, I glad to see that you got things fixed.
>
> John
>
>

Again, many thanks for your help.

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:31 pm
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Sid Elbow <here.DeleteThis@there.com> wrote in
news:0342b4af$0$2119$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:

> ms wrote:
>
>> I read a month ago on a ng that Fx 2 users were upset when trying Fx
>> 3 that the bookmarks were a different system, bookmark utilities no
>> longer worked. They quoted a web page but I had no time to search it.
>>
>> Do you have a bookmarks.htm file in Fx 3?
>
> A search does turn up a number of (Firefox) bookmarks.html files but I
> believe these are all left over from Firefox 2. I can't find anything
> from FF3. Bookmark dropdowns etc *are* present as normal in the GUI
> though and behave the same way and you can export them as an html file
> if need be.
>
> By "bookmark utilities" I assume you mean 3rd party Firefox add-ons.
> If so, this is not a problem confined to bookmark utilities. The
> system of user-generated add-ons sounds fine in theory but in my
> experience whenever FF is updated (whether it be a version change or
> an intermediate update), several of the add-on's fail. And being user
> developed on an ad-hoc basis, there is no guarantee when (or if) these
> utilities will ever be updated. Right now, I have more "broken"
> add-ons than good ones. And given that FF seems to get updates even
> more frequently than IE, I don't normally bother with the add-ons any
> more they're just too much trouble.

My comment was from people that, like me, use separate utilities- Moz
Backup for backing up Fx bookmark files, etc. I use extensions, they
behave as you describe in new versions, I only use PrefBar.

It appears there's a way to work with FX 3, but I have no reason to
upgrade. In over 10 years, I've never seen a internet threat due to my
"outdated" software. I keep the same browsing patterns.

ms
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