t time user of email server

Right diagnoses, wrong assumption. I did NOT have authentication checked on
the servers tab, and doing so solved my problem. Thanks also for your more
detailed response, although I haven't yet had occasion to use it. And,
though though I'm not sure that responding to this message is the right way
to reach their attention, I'd like to thank everyone else who contributed to
this thread for what they did to help me.

I've noticed that the Windows XP accounts splash screen now has a message
about new unread emails and it seems to me that IExplorer is now taking
significantly longer to open and run, and I suspect that both phenomena are
related to OE runnning at startup and in the background, so my next step is
to prevent the former and set it to run only when I start it explicitly or
click on a mailto link. I'll have to refresh my memory of how to do that
from the Run box or Start Up Cop or something, but I think I can do that,
but if IE6 runs glacially after I've started OE I'll also want to be able to
kill its processes, including the background ones, rather than reboot. Is
there a better way than researching process names and killing them from the
Task Manager? Or am I completely off base on my diagnoses and OE6 runs in
background with very little load and I've probably got some other coincident
problem? Just asking for your top-of-the-head response here, and
appreciating it. Few of us have the time to completely diagnose all the
squirrelly things going on in our own computers, much less others...

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec.DeleteThis@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:u0PDMUuMJHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> From what I can see in the error message, the settings for Gmail seem
> correct. I presume that you have the My Outgoing server requires
> authentication checked on the servers tab.
>
> It's possible that something is blocking the port 465 connection. This
> could your ISP (although they don't usually block this port, they often
> block port 25), your firewall, or your anti-virus scanning outgoing mail.
>
> With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply disabling the e-mail
> scanning function doesn't really disable it. It simply tells the program
> not to flag any messages. It still processes all the messages and may
> still cause send/receive problems. What you may need to do is uninstall
> the anti-virus program, then reinstall it using a custom install option
> and unselect the e-mail scanning component for installation.
>
> If you still have problems, you may want to record an smtp.log which will
> show more details about outgoing mail. To create an SMTP.log In OE5+, go
> to Tools, Options, Maintenance, Troubleshooting, Mail You may need to
> close OE after doing the send for the log to get written to disk. The log
> will be in the Store Folder which is listed in Tools, Options,
> Maintenance, Store Folder.
>
> --
>
> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
>
>
> "Andy Phillips" <andyvphil.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:O$MLE4sMJHA.3744@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/mail-settings.html, doesn't say
>> that
>> and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/outlook-gmail.html) to hook up
>> with
>> my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces
>> the
>> error
>>
>> "An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt Dance
>> Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
>> Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"
>>
>> More buggy info?
>>
>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam.DeleteThis@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:O%230JOIhMJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> If it's a U.S., or CA, Yahoo account and you're not subscribed to Yahoo
>>> Mail Plus, then you can't access the account in Outlook Express.
>>>
>>> Configuring POP Yahoo! Mail Plus for Outlook Express:
>>> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/mailplus/pop/pop-08.html
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bruce Hagen
>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> "Andy Phillips" <andyvphil.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O0Wm2EhMJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>I got tired of recovering addresses from the properties of embedded
>>>>mailto links and decided to activate the email ability of Outlook
>>>>Express, which I'd installed and used briefly as a newsgroup reader.
>>>>That still seems to work, which is why I'm here, but my attempts to
>>>>access my Yahoo email through OE are all timing out: "A time-out
>>>>occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
>>>>'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'smtp.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: SMTP,
>>>>Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19" or "A time-out
>>>>occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
>>>>'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3,
>>>>Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19". I've always gone
>>>>through the Yahoo website to access my mail, but am reasonably
>>>>sophisticated with computers and the properties of my mail account look
>>>>like what I think they ought to be given what I was told I should put in
>>>>when I looked that question up. And you can see what they are in the
>>>>error messages. What am I missing?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Right diagnoses, wrong assumption. I did NOT have authentication checked on
the servers tab, and doing so solved my problem. Thanks also for your more
detailed response, although I haven't yet had occasion to use it. And,
though though I'm not sure that responding to this message is the right way
to reach their attention, I'd like to thank everyone else who contributed to
this thread for what they did to help me.

I've noticed that the Windows XP accounts splash screen now has a message
about new unread emails and it seems to me that IExplorer is now taking
significantly longer to open and run, and I suspect that both phenomena are
related to OE runnning at startup and in the background, so my next step is
to prevent the former and set it to run only when I start it explicitly or
click on a mailto link. I'll have to refresh my memory of how to do that
from the Run box or Start Up Cop or something, but I think I can do that,
but if IE6 runs glacially after I've started OE I'll also want to be able to
kill its processes, including the background ones, rather than reboot. Is
there a better way than researching process names and killing them from the
Task Manager? Or am I completely off base on my diagnoses and OE6 runs in
background with very little load and I've probably got some other coincident
problem? Just asking for your top-of-the-head response here, and
appreciating it. Few of us have the time to completely diagnose all the
squirrelly things going on in our own computers, much less others...

I hope this is not a duplicate post. When I killed OE6 it tried and failed
to send this posting via my dialer, which was not connected. Why it thought
the default was the dialer rather than the LAN is a mystery, since the
account properties didn't select a non-default. And, despite failing to send
(I'm pretty sure) it moved the message to my Sent Items stack The only thing
I did that was different from my earlier response was change the subject to
correct "t" to "1st". Ah, well, if this second try works, put it down to an
unpatched bug.

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec DeleteThis @prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:u0PDMUuMJHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> From what I can see in the error message, the settings for Gmail seem
> correct. I presume that you have the My Outgoing server requires
> authentication checked on the servers tab.
>
> It's possible that something is blocking the port 465 connection. This
> could your ISP (although they don't usually block this port, they often
> block port 25), your firewall, or your anti-virus scanning outgoing mail.
>
> With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply disabling the e-mail
> scanning function doesn't really disable it. It simply tells the program
> not to flag any messages. It still processes all the messages and may
> still cause send/receive problems. What you may need to do is uninstall
> the anti-virus program, then reinstall it using a custom install option
> and unselect the e-mail scanning component for installation.
>
> If you still have problems, you may want to record an smtp.log which will
> show more details about outgoing mail. To create an SMTP.log In OE5+, go
> to Tools, Options, Maintenance, Troubleshooting, Mail You may need to
> close OE after doing the send for the log to get written to disk. The log
> will be in the Store Folder which is listed in Tools, Options,
> Maintenance, Store Folder.
>
> --
>
> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
>
>
> "Andy Phillips" <andyvphil DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:O$MLE4sMJHA.3744@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/mail-settings.html, doesn't say
>> that
>> and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/outlook-gmail.html) to hook up
>> with
>> my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces
>> the
>> error
>>
>> "An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt Dance
>> Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
>> Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"
>>
>> More buggy info?
>>
>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam DeleteThis @mymail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:O%230JOIhMJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> If it's a U.S., or CA, Yahoo account and you're not subscribed to Yahoo
>>> Mail Plus, then you can't access the account in Outlook Express.
>>>
>>> Configuring POP Yahoo! Mail Plus for Outlook Express:
>>> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/mailplus/pop/pop-08.html
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bruce Hagen
>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> "Andy Phillips" <andyvphil DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O0Wm2EhMJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>I got tired of recovering addresses from the properties of embedded
>>>>mailto links and decided to activate the email ability of Outlook
>>>>Express, which I'd installed and used briefly as a newsgroup reader.
>>>>That still seems to work, which is why I'm here, but my attempts to
>>>>access my Yahoo email through OE are all timing out: "A time-out
>>>>occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
>>>>'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'smtp.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: SMTP,
>>>>Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19" or "A time-out
>>>>occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
>>>>'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3,
>>>>Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19". I've always gone
>>>>through the Yahoo website to access my mail, but am reasonably
>>>>sophisticated with computers and the properties of my mail account look
>>>>like what I think they ought to be given what I was told I should put in
>>>>when I looked that question up. And you can see what they are in the
>>>>error messages. What am I missing?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Sorry for the ...triple?... posting. When I exited OE it reported,
mysteriously, failing to send the post via my dialer, which wasn't hooked up
and wasn't selected as the connection for this account. It nonetheless moved
the post to my Sent Item stack. I then went into the account setting and
checked the the "Always use..." box but selected LAN, which is also the
default, as the connection. Somehow that may have generated the re-send. I
then recreated and re-sent the post, this time not changing the subject line
to correct "t" to "1st", which I thought might have triggered a bug. As I
write this, that hasn't shown up yet, but I presume it will. Bugs do strange
things....

This worked for me after ages failing with many permutations from the net:

Go to: Tools > Accounts > [select Gmail Account] > Properties

Then in:

Servers: pop.gmail.com
smtp.gmail.com
Log on using Secure Password Authentication - OFF
My server requires authentication - ON
Connection OFF
Security 3DES
Advanced Outgoing mail (SMTP) - 25
This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
Incoming mail (POP3) - 995
This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
Sending … OFF



"N. Miller" wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:07:50 -0700, Andy Phillips wrote:
>
> > Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
> > http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/mail-settings.html, doesn't say that
> > and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
> > http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/outlook-gmail.html) to hook up with
> > my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces the
> > error
> >
> > "An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt Dance
> > Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
> > Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"
> >
> > More buggy info?
>
> Do you also have "Secure Password Authorization" checked? If so, try
> unchecking it.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Shine, bright morning light,
> ~now in the air the spring is coming.
> ~Sweet, blowing wind,
> ~singing down the hills and valleys.
>

Overview of the Mail Notification Display on the Windows XP Welcome
Screen
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=304148

If OE is being automatically started at boot, it's most likely has a
short cut in Start, Programs, Start Up group.

When OE first starts it might use a fair amount of resources for a
while. Most likely its involved with checking mail. How long that will
take depends on the number of type of e-mail accounts and how many
messages are on the mail server. Also, if OE is set to check for
messages every few minutes (Tools, Options, General) that take put a
load on the system.

But If OE is not checking for messages, having it loaded in the
background should have an insignificant impact on your system.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Andy Phillips" <andyvphil.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ebjLD9VNJHA.5648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Right diagnoses, wrong assumption. I did NOT have authentication
> checked on the servers tab, and doing so solved my problem. Thanks
> also for your more detailed response, although I haven't yet had
> occasion to use it. And, though though I'm not sure that responding to
> this message is the right way to reach their attention, I'd like to
> thank everyone else who contributed to this thread for what they did
> to help me.
>
> I've noticed that the Windows XP accounts splash screen now has a
> message about new unread emails and it seems to me that IExplorer is
> now taking significantly longer to open and run, and I suspect that
> both phenomena are related to OE runnning at startup and in the
> background, so my next step is to prevent the former and set it to run
> only when I start it explicitly or click on a mailto link. I'll have
> to refresh my memory of how to do that from the Run box or Start Up
> Cop or something, but I think I can do that, but if IE6 runs glacially
> after I've started OE I'll also want to be able to kill its processes,
> including the background ones, rather than reboot. Is there a better
> way than researching process names and killing them from the Task
> Manager? Or am I completely off base on my diagnoses and OE6 runs in
> background with very little load and I've probably got some other
> coincident problem? Just asking for your top-of-the-head response
> here, and appreciating it. Few of us have the time to completely
> diagnose all the squirrelly things going on in our own computers, much
> less others...
>
> "Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec.DeleteThis@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:u0PDMUuMJHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> From what I can see in the error message, the settings for Gmail seem
>> correct. I presume that you have the My Outgoing server requires
>> authentication checked on the servers tab.
>>
>> It's possible that something is blocking the port 465 connection.
>> This could your ISP (although they don't usually block this port,
>> they often block port 25), your firewall, or your anti-virus scanning
>> outgoing mail.
>>
>> With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply disabling the
>> e-mail scanning function doesn't really disable it. It simply tells
>> the program not to flag any messages. It still processes all the
>> messages and may still cause send/receive problems. What you may
>> need to do is uninstall the anti-virus program, then reinstall it
>> using a custom install option and unselect the e-mail scanning
>> component for installation.
>>
>> If you still have problems, you may want to record an smtp.log which
>> will show more details about outgoing mail. To create an SMTP.log In
>> OE5+, go to Tools, Options, Maintenance, Troubleshooting, Mail You
>> may need to close OE after doing the send for the log to get written
>> to disk. The log will be in the Store Folder which is listed in
>> Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> "Andy Phillips" <andyvphil.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:O$MLE4sMJHA.3744@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
>>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/mail-settings.html, doesn't
>>> say that
>>> and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
>>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/outlook-gmail.html) to hook
>>> up with
>>> my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send
>>> produces the
>>> error
>>>
>>> "An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt
>>> Dance
>>> Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server:
>>> 'smtp.gmail.com',
>>> Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number:
>>> 0x800CCC0B"
>>>
>>> More buggy info?
>>>
>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam.DeleteThis@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:O%230JOIhMJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> If it's a U.S., or CA, Yahoo account and you're not subscribed to
>>>> Yahoo Mail Plus, then you can't access the account in Outlook
>>>> Express.
>>>>
>>>> Configuring POP Yahoo! Mail Plus for Outlook Express:
>>>> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/mailplus/pop/pop-08.html
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Bruce Hagen
>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Andy Phillips" <andyvphil.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:O0Wm2EhMJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I got tired of recovering addresses from the properties of embedded
>>>>>mailto links and decided to activate the email ability of Outlook
>>>>>Express, which I'd installed and used briefly as a newsgroup
>>>>>reader. That still seems to work, which is why I'm here, but my
>>>>>attempts to access my Yahoo email through OE are all timing out: "A
>>>>>time-out occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
>>>>>'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'smtp.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol:
>>>>>SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19" or "A
>>>>>time-out occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
>>>>>'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3,
>>>>>Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19". I've always
>>>>>gone through the Yahoo website to access my mail, but am reasonably
>>>>>sophisticated with computers and the properties of my mail account
>>>>>look like what I think they ought to be given what I was told I
>>>>>should put in when I looked that question up. And you can see what
>>>>>they are in the error messages. What am I missing?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:18:01 -0700, Leon wrote:

> "N. Miller" wrote:

>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:07:50 -0700, Andy Phillips wrote:

>>> Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
>>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/mail-settings.html, doesn't say that
>>> and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
>>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/outlook-gmail.html) to hook up with
>>> my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces the
>>> error
>>>
>>> "An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt Dance
>>> Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
>>> Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"
>>>
>>> More buggy info?

>> Do you also have "Secure Password Authorization" checked? If so, try
>> unchecking it.

> This worked for me after ages failing with many permutations from the net:
>
> Go to: Tools > Accounts > [select Gmail Account] > Properties
>
> Then in:
>
> Servers: pop.gmail.com
> smtp.gmail.com
> Log on using Secure Password Authentication - OFF
> My server requires authentication - ON
> Connection OFF
> Security 3DES
> Advanced Outgoing mail (SMTP) - 25
> This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
> Incoming mail (POP3) - 995
> This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
> Sending ¡K OFF
>

It is nice that Gmail actually works with port 25, but that is not the
recommended message submission port, either in the Gmail setup instructions,
or the new RFC 5321 (describing the SMTP protocol). The RFC recommended
message submission port (both RFC 5321, and the older RFC 2476) is port 587.
The Gmail recommended message submission port is port 465 w/SSL.

Although I sometimes take the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach,
when I am familiar with the details, and the wherefores (an archaic English
word, out of an Elizabethan play; look it up!) I tend to make changes to
comply with the recommendations, even when things work otherwise. Sometimes,
people on the other end also change to fit the recommendations. As in, if
your ISP were to decide to block outbound port 25 to off-network
destinations, your Gmail account would stop working until you changed your
outbound port to match the recommendations.

If you use MS Outlook Express, you can only use recommended port 465 with
'smtp.gmail.com' because MSOE only knows how to apply TLS on port 25, not on
port 587. Gmail insists on using TLS on port 587.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.