t time user of email server

External Since: Oct 19, 2008 Posts: 9

Thanks for the good info. I was only checking for new mail every 30 min, so
it looks like I'll have to look for a different culprit. Lots of interesting
info at your website, I see.

Andy

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec.DeleteThis@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> Overview of the Mail Notification Display on the Windows XP Welcome Screen
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=304148
>
> If OE is being automatically started at boot, it's most likely has a short
> cut in Start, Programs, Start Up group.
>
> When OE first starts it might use a fair amount of resources for a while.
> Most likely its involved with checking mail. How long that will take
> depends on the number of type of e-mail accounts and how many messages are
> on the mail server. Also, if OE is set to check for messages every few
> minutes (Tools, Options, General) that take put a load on the system.
>
> But If OE is not checking for messages, having it loaded in the background
> should have an insignificant impact on your system.
>
> --
>
> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
>
>
> "Andy Phillips" <andyvphil.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Right diagnoses, wrong assumption. I did NOT have authentication checked
>> on the servers tab, and doing so solved my problem. Thanks also for your
>> more detailed response, although I haven't yet had occasion to use it.
>> And, though though I'm not sure that responding to this message is the
>> right way to reach their attention, I'd like to thank everyone else who
>> contributed to this thread for what they did to help me.
>>
>> I've noticed that the Windows XP accounts splash screen now has a message
>> about new unread emails and it seems to me that IExplorer is now taking
>> significantly longer to open and run, and I suspect that both phenomena
>> are related to OE runnning at startup and in the background, so my next
>> step is to prevent the former and set it to run only when I start it
>> explicitly or click on a mailto link. I'll have to refresh my memory of
>> how to do that from the Run box or Start Up Cop or something, but I think
>> I can do that, but if IE6 runs glacially after I've started OE I'll also
>> want to be able to kill its processes, including the background ones,
>> rather than reboot. Is there a better way than researching process names
>> and killing them from the Task Manager? Or am I completely off base on my
>> diagnoses and OE6 runs in background with very little load and I've
>> probably got some other coincident problem? Just asking for your
>> top-of-the-head response here, and appreciating it. Few of us have the
>> time to completely diagnose all the squirrelly things going on in our own
>> computers, much less others...
>>
>> "Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec.DeleteThis@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>> news:u0PDMUuMJHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> From what I can see in the error message, the settings for Gmail seem
>>> correct. I presume that you have the My Outgoing server requires
>>> authentication checked on the servers tab.
>>>
>>> It's possible that something is blocking the port 465 connection. This
>>> could your ISP (although they don't usually block this port, they often
>>> block port 25), your firewall, or your anti-virus scanning outgoing
>>> mail.
>>>
>>> With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply disabling the
>>> e-mail scanning function doesn't really disable it. It simply tells the
>>> program not to flag any messages. It still processes all the messages
>>> and may still cause send/receive problems. What you may need to do is
>>> uninstall the anti-virus program, then reinstall it using a custom
>>> install option and unselect the e-mail scanning component for
>>> installation.
>>>
>>> If you still have problems, you may want to record an smtp.log which
>>> will show more details about outgoing mail. To create an SMTP.log In
>>> OE5+, go to Tools, Options, Maintenance, Troubleshooting, Mail You may
>>> need to close OE after doing the send for the log to get written to
>>> disk. The log will be in the Store Folder which is listed in Tools,
>>> Options, Maintenance, Store Folder.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Andy Phillips" <andyvphil.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O$MLE4sMJHA.3744@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
>>>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/mail-settings.html, doesn't say
>>>> that
>>>> and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
>>>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/outlook-gmail.html) to hook up
>>>> with
>>>> my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces
>>>> the
>>>> error
>>>>
>>>> "An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt
>>>> Dance
>>>> Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
>>>> Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"
>>>>
>>>> More buggy info?
>>>>
>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam.DeleteThis@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:O%230JOIhMJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> If it's a U.S., or CA, Yahoo account and you're not subscribed to
>>>>> Yahoo Mail Plus, then you can't access the account in Outlook Express.
>>>>>
>>>>> Configuring POP Yahoo! Mail Plus for Outlook Express:
>>>>> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/mailplus/pop/pop-08.html
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce Hagen
>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Andy Phillips" <andyvphil.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O0Wm2EhMJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>I got tired of recovering addresses from the properties of embedded
>>>>>>mailto links and decided to activate the email ability of Outlook
>>>>>>Express, which I'd installed and used briefly as a newsgroup reader.
>>>>>>That still seems to work, which is why I'm here, but my attempts to
>>>>>>access my Yahoo email through OE are all timing out: "A time-out
>>>>>>occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
>>>>>>'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'smtp.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: SMTP,
>>>>>>Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19" or "A time-out
>>>>>>occurred while communicating with the server. Account:
>>>>>>'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Server: 'pop.mail.yahoo.com', Protocol: POP3,
>>>>>>Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC19". I've always
>>>>>>gone through the Yahoo website to access my mail, but am reasonably
>>>>>>sophisticated with computers and the properties of my mail account
>>>>>>look like what I think they ought to be given what I was told I should
>>>>>>put in when I looked that question up. And you can see what they are
>>>>>>in the error messages. What am I missing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

External Since: Oct 19, 2008 Posts: 9

My actual problem was not having authentication checked on the servers tab.
The settings that are working for me are identical to those N. Miller
recommends except that for outging mail (SMTP) I am using 465 at the behest
of someone else in this thread, who noted that Comcast (my service provider)
often blocks 25. That still leaves me a bit curious why at some point in
this process 25 was, if I remember correctly, the default, and what if
anything has been lost because my connection to Gmail can't use TLS, but
these are low level curiosities that I probably won't pursue until I need
to. Thanks for your deeper explanation, however. And to N. Miller for his
confirmation that my other settings are right.

"N. Miller" <anonymous.TakeThisOut@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:18:01 -0700, Leon wrote:
>
>> "N. Miller" wrote:
>
>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:07:50 -0700, Andy Phillips wrote:
>
>>>> Thanks a lot, Mr. Hagen. The information I found on the web, at
>>>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/mail-settings.html, doesn't say
>>>> that
>>>> and must be obsolete. I've now used their info (at
>>>> http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/outlook-gmail.html) to hook up
>>>> with
>>>> my GMail account, and it's importing mail sucessfully but send produces
>>>> the
>>>> error
>>>>
>>>> "An unknown error has occurred. Subject 'Subscribe to Lake Merritt
>>>> Dance
>>>> Center Email list', Account: 'pop.gmail.com', Server: 'smtp.gmail.com',
>>>> Protocol: SMTP, Port: 465, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC0B"
>>>>
>>>> More buggy info?
>
>>> Do you also have "Secure Password Authorization" checked? If so, try
>>> unchecking it.
>
>> This worked for me after ages failing with many permutations from the
>> net:
>>
>> Go to: Tools > Accounts > [select Gmail Account] > Properties
>>
>> Then in:
>>
>> Servers: pop.gmail.com
>> smtp.gmail.com
>> Log on using Secure Password Authentication - OFF
>> My server requires authentication - ON
>> Connection OFF
>> Security 3DES
>> Advanced Outgoing mail (SMTP) - 25
>> This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
>> Incoming mail (POP3) - 995
>> This server requires a secure connection (SSL) - ON
>> Sending ¡K OFF
>>
>
> It is nice that Gmail actually works with port 25, but that is not the
> recommended message submission port, either in the Gmail setup
> instructions,
> or the new RFC 5321 (describing the SMTP protocol). The RFC recommended
> message submission port (both RFC 5321, and the older RFC 2476) is port
> 587.
> The Gmail recommended message submission port is port 465 w/SSL.
>
> Although I sometimes take the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach,
> when I am familiar with the details, and the wherefores (an archaic
> English
> word, out of an Elizabethan play; look it up!) I tend to make changes to
> comply with the recommendations, even when things work otherwise.
> Sometimes,
> people on the other end also change to fit the recommendations. As in, if
> your ISP were to decide to block outbound port 25 to off-network
> destinations, your Gmail account would stop working until you changed your
> outbound port to match the recommendations.
>
> If you use MS Outlook Express, you can only use recommended port 465 with
> 'smtp.gmail.com' because MSOE only knows how to apply TLS on port 25, not
> on
> port 587. Gmail insists on using TLS on port 587.
>
> --
> Norman
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