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FromTheRafters

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:38 am
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Have you tried a different keyboard to see if the problem
is there too? Such a test might illuminate an investigative
path.
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"J. P. Gilliver

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:42 am
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In message <op.uikoapr2br8ivg@300pl>, teebo <no.DeleteThis@mail.no> writes
>> deleting a file or folder doesnt 'permanently' delete it;; if you
>>want something permanently 'deleted', then you use a 'shredding'
>>utility,,
>
>I always turn off the trashcan, perhaps because a bit of
>"macintoshofobia" or maybe that I think it is a stupid concept.
>The reason I delete files is that I want to free space on the harddisk,
>not move the files.

Agreed. I _usually_ use shift-delete for that reason.

>But I think Undo still could be usefull... in that "Oops!" situation....
[]
>So anyone know of that kind of utility or patch, that can do this?

(Sorry, no.)
[]
>btw, anyone know how to patch windows filemanager to accept shift-Del
>as "cut" like in all other programs?

I didn't know it did; I use Ctrl-X, C, V for cut, copy, paste. (Think of
X as looking like a pair of scissors, C for copy, and, well, v is just
the next key along.) [Do you actually mean file manager rather than
Windows Explorer? I have found one other person who still uses file
manager, but it's unusual.]
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teebo

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:09 am
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>> The reason I delete files is that I want to free space on the harddisk,
>> not move the files.
>
> Agreed. I _usually_ use shift-delete for that reason.

>> So anyone know of that kind of utility or patch, that can do this?
>
> (Sorry, no.)

I guess I have to do that myself then hehehe.
There must be someone that have made an opensource windows shell
replacement
that still looks and works in the normal way, that can be modified ...

>> btw, anyone know how to patch windows filemanager to accept shift-Del
>> as "cut" like in all other programs?
>
> I didn't know it did; I use Ctrl-X, C, V for cut, copy, paste.

yeah the right hand keys for cut/paste/copy
shift-Del, shift-Ins, ctrl-Ins is the windows original ones,
and the left handed ones ctrl-X, ctrl-V, ctrl-C, is copied
from mac Smile and are better for people that have
their right hand glued to the mouse Very Happy

> the next key along.) [Do you actually mean file manager rather than
> Windows Explorer? I have found one other person who still uses file
> manager, but it's unusual.]

oh.. no I mean "Windows Explorer" but it isn't called that in this
language version of windows. And the only time it is called anything at all
is when you use the localmenu-command to open a folder in a new window,
and then it is a verb (is it to "explore" and "exploring" in english?).
Btw if you ctrl-doubleclick (or ctrl-Enter) instead, then you don't get
that ugly directory tree panel Smile

Bad idea of microsoft to name two things the same anyway. since the file
managing part of windows is called explorer.exe they had to name their
webbrowser iexplore.exe instead.
isn't Explorer some alcohol... could be why internet explorer is so bad Wink

Is the old win3.x-file manager winfile.exe really still around?
I allways used nortoncommander instead back then....
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:43 am
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teebo <no.RemoveThis@mail.no> wrote in news:op.uikoapr2br8ivg@300pl:

>> deleting a file or folder doesnt 'permanently' delete it;;
>> if you want something permanently 'deleted', then you use
>> a 'shredding' utility,,

<SNIP>

www.ghisler.com

Needs a little tweaking since it has a few idiosyncrasies but
you will NEVER use any Windows "file manager" again. They're
nothing but torture devices.



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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:45 am
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teebo <no DeleteThis @mail.no> wrote in news:op.uikoapr2br8ivg@300pl:

>>btw, anyone know how to patch windows filemanager to accept
>>shift-Del as "cut" like in all other programs?

That's a very old shortcut which has been abandoned by most
software writers in favor of Ctl-C,V,X.



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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:48 am
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teebo <no.RemoveThis@mail.no> wrote in news:op.uik3ckvebr8ivg@300pl:

<SNIP>

> Is the old win3.x-file manager winfile.exe really still
> around? I allways used nortoncommander instead back
> then....

The program from Ghisler is /based/ on Norton and it does
hundreds of other things you will NOT believe. It works forever
in trial mode but it's well worth paying for. You will never use
a Windows torture device again.



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"J. P. Gilliver

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:03 am
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In message <Xns9B2F114FBC47Ethanexit RemoveThis @209.197.15.184>, thanatoid
<waiting RemoveThis @the.exit.invalid> writes
[]
>If it has happened 1,000 out of 1,000 times, then you have a
>buggy key(s) which has a strangely consistent behavior. Did you
>try another keyboard?

I can't remember if I have or not, but as it's a laptop, that's not
really a viable solution, unless I could get a replacement for such an
old laptop.
>
>If it ONLY happens in a certain program (perhaps a MS program?
>Wink then it's the program.
>Try the identical action in another program which does basically
>the same thing.

It's only when deleting files/folders in Windows Explorer.
[]
>If none of the above, then it is a mystery which no one will
>probably be able to ever solve. I have run across quite a few in
>my computing life, as has almost everyone.

Me too (-:
[]
>Has it ALWAYS been like this or did it just start? If it just
>started, it may also "just" end. Try changing the date on the
>computer by a few months or a year or whatever and see if it
>disappears.

For some time (some years I think). Not enough of a problem to be really
irritating.
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:07 am
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In message <op.uik3ckvebr8ivg@300pl>, teebo <no.TakeThisOut@mail.no> writes
[]
>oh.. no I mean "Windows Explorer" but it isn't called that in this
>language version of windows. And the only time it is called anything at all
>is when you use the localmenu-command to open a folder in a new window,
>and then it is a verb (is it to "explore" and "exploring" in english?).
>Btw if you ctrl-doubleclick (or ctrl-Enter) instead, then you don't get
>that ugly directory tree panel Smile

I call it up with Windows-E keys. Then it opens at My Computer, i. e.
the top level, not in an obscure Windows directory.
>
>Bad idea of microsoft to name two things the same anyway. since the file

Yes, I've always thought that.

>managing part of windows is called explorer.exe they had to name their
>webbrowser iexplore.exe instead.
>isn't Explorer some alcohol... could be why internet explorer is so bad Wink

Not that I can think of ...
>
>Is the old win3.x-file manager winfile.exe really still around?
>I allways used nortoncommander instead back then....

Start | Run | winfile | wallow in nostalgia ... it even still only uses
8.3 filenames ... (No, I don't use it!)
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