shift-delete not working the _first_ time

PCR wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> In message <OOqv6K1JJHA.2444.RemoveThis@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, FromTheRafters
>> <erratic.RemoveThis@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>>> Have you tried a different keyboard to see if the problem
>>> is there too? Such a test might illuminate an investigative
>>> path.
>>>
>>>
>> The thing is, it always works the second time; also, I'm not aware of
>> the shift keys giving any problem in any other situation - THEY DO
>> CAPITALS NO PROBLEM, for example; it's _only_ when deleting files in
>> Windows Explorer, and _only_ the first time I try to delete one, that
>> the shift key is ignored.
>
> (1) Does it happen with both shift keys?

I think so, but am not sure.

> (2) Does it work the 2nd time...
> (a) no matter how long you've waited since the 1st?

Well, I don't usually wait that long. (I know, you're thinking capacitive
charge/discharge or something.)

> (b) whether or not it's the same file you try to delete?

I _think_ the same succession would occur - I don't think I've ever
investigated! It needs a good lateral brain to think of trying that: delete
file. Doesn't go as desired. Oh, let's try deleting a _different_ file. I'll
have to remember (not sending from the affected machine at the moment) to
try!

> (c) whether you've gone to another folder & back again?

See (b), but I'm pretty certain that if I go away and come back again, the
likelihood of it not seeing the shift the first (new) time is high.
>
> I don't know-- I've never seen such a thing myself that I recall.
> Maybe try my settings...
>
> "START, Settings, Folder Options, General tab, Custom, Settings
> button" Active Desktop-- Use Windows classic desktop.

Definitely.

> Browse folders-- Open each folder in the same window.
> View Web content-- Only for folders where I select "as Web page".
> (But never select any!)

I use the '95 shell, so no web content or "as web page". (I think.)

> Click items as follows-- Single-click to open an item (point to
> select). -- Underline icon titles only

I have the double-to-open, single-to select (default?)

Thing is, I have the same settings on other machine(s); it's only on the one
(laptop) where the shift-delete is seen as delete the first time, and as I
said the shift keys work for any other purpose (SUCH AS TYPING CAPITALS [or
the bracket for that matter]).
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J. P. Gilliver wrote:
| PCR wrote:
|> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
|>> In message <OOqv6K1JJHA.2444.DeleteThis@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, FromTheRafters
|>> <erratic.DeleteThis@nomail.afraid.org> writes
|>>> Have you tried a different keyboard to see if the problem
|>>> is there too? Such a test might illuminate an investigative
|>>> path.
|>>>
|>>>
|>> The thing is, it always works the second time; also, I'm not aware
|>> of the shift keys giving any problem in any other situation - THEY
|>> DO CAPITALS NO PROBLEM, for example; it's _only_ when deleting
|>> files in Windows Explorer, and _only_ the first time I try to
|>> delete one, that the shift key is ignored.
|>
|> (1) Does it happen with both shift keys?
|
| I think so, but am not sure.

That's the first thing to know! If it's just the most often used key,
suspect it has become worn &/or developed a sweet spot. But don't
dismiss the possibilty there's gook &/or hair strands under it. (I've
had lots under mine last time I looked!) Are you balding &/or pulling
them out? .

|> (2) Does it work the 2nd time...
|> (a) no matter how long you've waited since the 1st?
|
| Well, I don't usually wait that long. (I know, you're thinking
| capacitive charge/discharge or something.)

I can't recall what I was thinking-- it was a month ago! Well-- you get
the wrong requestor the 1st try (the one mentioning Recycle Bin).
Therefore, you try again, maybe pressing shift a bit harder or holding
it a tad longer the 2nd try-- as a reflexive response maybe. But if you
waited longer between attempts, you might revert to a lighter or shorter
press. Maybe that was it.

SO... ensure you press the key as hard & long both times. Does it still
happen? Hold the shift key until the requestor appears.

|> (b) whether or not it's the same file you try to delete?
|
| I _think_ the same succession would occur - I don't think I've ever
| investigated! It needs a good lateral brain to think of trying that:
| delete file. Doesn't go as desired. Oh, let's try deleting a
| _different_ file. I'll have to remember (not sending from the
| affected machine at the moment) to try!

I do have a good lateral brain. But I can't quite recall what I was
trying to discover with that question, either! Uhhhh ... maybe ... those
settings ... you are set "click to select" (instead of "point to
select"). If it's the same file, going by your settings, it will surely
be selected the 2nd time. (But I really don't know that it matters, [&
probably it doesn't]).

|> (c) whether you've gone to another folder & back again?
|
| See (b), but I'm pretty certain that if I go away and come back
| again, the likelihood of it not seeing the shift the first (new) time
| is high.

Switching to another folder & back puts time between attempts. This may
cause you to revert to your normal light/short keypress. Then, you'd get
the wrong requestor twice in a row. If so, that shift key may be worn.
Remember to try the other!

|>
|> I don't know-- I've never seen such a thing myself that I recall.
|> Maybe try my settings...
|>
|> "START, Settings, Folder Options, General tab, Custom, Settings
|> button" Active Desktop-- Use Windows classic desktop.
|
| Definitely.

OK.

|> Browse folders-- Open each folder in the same window.
|> View Web content-- Only for folders where I select "as Web page".
|> (But never select any!)
|
| I use the '95 shell, so no web content or "as web page". (I think.)

Hmmmm-- this could be a job for thanatoid, then. He has that too! It may
be a peculiarity of Win95. (I don't know.)

|> Click items as follows-- Single-click to open an item (point to
|> select). -- Underline icon titles only
|
| I have the double-to-open, single-to select (default?)
|
| Thing is, I have the same settings on other machine(s); it's only on
| the one (laptop) where the shift-delete is seen as delete the first
| time, and as I said the shift keys work for any other purpose (SUCH
| AS TYPING CAPITALS [or the bracket for that matter]).
| []

It could be bad code in Win95 that causes Explorer to sometimes miss the
shift key when pressing delete. Let me see what thanatoid wrote-- well,
he recommends ghisler (instead of Explorer), but never said whether he
ever saw that problem.

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| J. P. Gilliver | Tel. +44 1634 203298

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