shift-delete not working the _first_ time

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in


> I usually delete files (folders too) with shift-delete
> rather than delete; you know, so it says "are you sure you
> want to permanently delete" rather than "are you sure you
> want to ... recycle bin" (and with a different icon).
>
> Thing is, nearly always, it doesn't work first time: it
> usually comes up with the recycle bin prompt. To which I
> say no, then shift-delete again, and it comes up with the
> right one.
>
> It's only on this one machine, and I'm pretty certain it
> _isn't_ a dodgy shift key - my fingers move very little
> between the first attempt that fails and the second that
> succeeds.
>
> Any idea what's causing it?
>
> (I know I could change it - I know there's a setting
> somewhere, though I can't remember where - so that plain
> delete did a permanent delete. It's just puzzling.)

It's about time you visited www.ghisler.com
(The program found there also shows you "individual" /along
with/ "total" file copy/move times.)

There is a free ripoff called FreeCommander. But the Ghisler
original works forever in demo mode if you don't want to spend
the 30 or 40 bucks.

I couldn't live without it.


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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message

> I usually delete files (folders too) with shift-delete rather than
> delete; you know, so it says "are you sure you want to permanently
> delete" rather than "are you sure you want to ... recycle bin" (and with
> a different icon).

primarily (imho) shift is to allow you to select 2 or more files in given situations,, for
instance, if there are ten files in your recycle bin or sent folder in outlook xpress or in
'some folder' in windows explorer, you can hightlight the first to be deleted then hit shift and
scroll down and capture as many as you want;;; then right click on any hightlighted one and
select 'delete',,, and they will all be deleted.
you can do the same using the 'ctrl' key,, exect you pick each file individually while holder
ctrl key down,,,, so you can randomly pick files within a folder etc.


>
> Thing is, nearly always, it doesn't work first time: it usually comes up
> with the recycle bin prompt. To which I say no, then shift-delete again,
> and it comes up with the right one.
>
> It's only on this one machine, and I'm pretty certain it _isn't_ a dodgy
> shift key - my fingers move very little between the first attempt that
> fails and the second that succeeds.
>
> Any idea what's causing it?
>
> (I know I could change it - I know there's a setting somewhere, though I
> can't remember where - so that plain delete did a permanent delete. It's
> just puzzling.)

not true friend....
deleting a file or folder doesnt 'permanently' delete it;; if you want something permanently
'deleted', then you use a 'shredding' utility,, plenty of them out there if you wanna look.
the one i use is even easier than using 'r/bin'. go figure..! (and its always right there on my
context-menu no matter where i am at the time on the computer,, soo simple)

Hth's


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>
> "Bother," said Pooh, as Windows crashed for the umpteenth time.

> deleting a file or folder doesnt 'permanently' delete it;; if you want
> something permanently 'deleted', then you use a 'shredding' utility,,

I always turn off the trashcan, perhaps because a bit of
"macintoshofobia" or maybe that I think it is a stupid concept.
The reason I delete files is that I want to free space on the harddisk,
not move the files.
But I think Undo still could be usefull... in that "Oops!" situation....
Just like I can use Edit-Undo to undo a move or rename of files, I would
like
to have that for just deleted files too. without trashcan.

So anyone know of that kind of utility or patch, that can do this?
That when pressing Delete, the files do gets really deleted, but the
first letter in the filename that normally gets wasted is temporary
saved (until I do next undoable thing), so that Undo works automaticly
if needed. If a file is fragmented I guess the fat-chain for that file
have to be remembered too but most files are not.


btw, anyone know how to patch windows filemanager to accept shift-Del
as "cut" like in all other programs?

In message , Brian A.
writes
>"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
>
[]
>> (I know I could change it - I know there's a setting somewhere,
>>though I can't remember where - so that plain delete did a permanent
>>delete. It's just puzzling.)
[]
> Right click on the recycle bin.
>Click Properties in the popup menu.
>Select "Do not move files to......".
>Your choice to select if you want to be prompted or not.
>Click Apply > Ok when done.
>
Thanks, you've reminded me where the setting is if I wanted to make that
always the case. Doesn't explain why I am getting the strange behaviour
(shift being ignored, but only the first time) in the first place
though.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

This area of 'when does a computer know that it doesn't know' is relatively
undeveloped. - Colin Barker (Computing, 1999-2-18 [p. 20])

In message , thanatoid
writes
[]
>It's about time you visited www.ghisler.com
>(The program found there also shows you "individual" /along
>with/ "total" file copy/move times.)
>
>There is a free ripoff called FreeCommander. But the Ghisler
>original works forever in demo mode if you don't want to spend
>the 30 or 40 bucks.
>
>I couldn't live without it.
>
>
So you keep telling me (-:. But I am just curious to know why the shift
in shift-delete is being ignored the first time only.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

This area of 'when does a computer know that it doesn't know' is relatively
undeveloped. - Colin Barker (Computing, 1999-2-18 [p. 20])

In message , diver
writes
>
>"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
>
>> I usually delete files (folders too) with shift-delete rather than
>> delete; you know, so it says "are you sure you want to permanently
>> delete" rather than "are you sure you want to ... recycle bin" (and with
>> a different icon).
>
> primarily (imho) shift is to allow you to select 2 or more files in
>given situations,, for
[]
>you can do the same using the 'ctrl' key,, exect you pick each file
>individually while holder
>ctrl key down,,,, so you can randomly pick files within a folder etc.
>
Yes, I know the shift and control with click; that's a different matter,
and is for selecting files. Once you've selected them (one or many, with
or without the shift and/or control keys), if you use shift while
pressing the delete key, they are deleted rather than put into the
recycle bin.
>
>>
>> Thing is, nearly always, it doesn't work first time: it usually comes up
>> with the recycle bin prompt. To which I say no, then shift-delete again,
>> and it comes up with the right one.
>>
>> It's only on this one machine, and I'm pretty certain it _isn't_ a dodgy
>> shift key - my fingers move very little between the first attempt that
>> fails and the second that succeeds.
>>
>> Any idea what's causing it?
>>
>> (I know I could change it - I know there's a setting somewhere, though I
>> can't remember where - so that plain delete did a permanent delete. It's
>> just puzzling.)
>
>not true friend....
>deleting a file or folder doesnt 'permanently' delete it;; if you
[]
Yes, I know that too, friend; I have an overwrite utility if I want. I
meant delete as in not just recycle.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

This area of 'when does a computer know that it doesn't know' is relatively
undeveloped. - Colin Barker (Computing, 1999-2-18 [p. 20])