problems with 32.dll when loading drivers

"...after installing a new, breed of 98Lite." You really need to fix that
Subject.

Here's the most positive advice I can give you. If you have problems with
that cross-bred child of Windows and Linux, you not only do yourself a
disservice by not dealing with them in a forum dedicated to the topic, you
also do a great disservice to the average Joe or Jane who goes searching for
procedures for their stock Windows 98 machines and happens onto this thread
half way through, sees the subject, sees a bunch of procedures that appear
to apply to his situation, and which (with any luck) do end up working for
you, but which don't apply to his machine in the slightest and which in fact
do his system a great deal of harm.

The least you could do, if you're going to *hijack* a newsgroup like this,
would be to make it clear what you're talking about in the Subject.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG RemoveThis @soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:YQZPmGLGN3pIFwAm@soft255.demon.co.uk...
> With apologies for the repost - one positive outcome of the first one was
> that I discovered that what I thought was a valid cut-and-paste wasn't:
> for some reason the two surviving newsgroups have slightly different
> punctuations in their name.
>
> (Positive suggestions only, please - the details of my problem have been
> lost in the heat on the other thread, and please post to that one if your
> only contribution is to say I'm in the wrong place!)
>
> In message <mH$wDTyemupIFw3T@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6JPG RemoveThis @soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>>'95 'group included as I use the '95 shell, via 98lite "Sleek" option.
>>
>>I recently had a play with soporific's UBCD, a. k. a. "Windows 98, 10th
>>anniversary edition". I think a vast amount of work has gone into it, and
>>when installed from scratch as I did on a laptop for a friend, it worked
>>well (including the universal USB driver).
>>
>>However, as with many such things, trying to install over an existing
>>system (even though it does include an option to do so) is more
>>problematical.
>>
>>Anyway: I've finally got my original system back, due to use of some ERDs
>>from before I tried it, with one exception (that I know so far, anyway):
>>it initially manifested as the sound, but I think is more fundamental.
>>
>>My sound isn't working. I've obtained the drivers from the manufacturer
>>(A??? motherboard; "Realtek AC'97 Audio"), since I couldn't find the mobo
>>CD.
>>
>>Device Manager shows it, with a black-on-yellow "!". Properties shows
>>under Device status "The NTKERN.VXD, MMDEVLDR.VXD device loader(s) for
>>this device could not load the device driver. (Code 2.)\\To Fix this,
>>click Update Driver to update the device driver." When I do, I get the
>>usual wizard. Whether I let this look for the right driver (they're sort
>>of in place, the install software having done its stuff to that extent, or
>>I unzipped something, I can't remember) or I tell it where to look, I get
>>to the "Please wait while Windows searches ...", then I get a -
>>old-fashioned style, no close button - window in screen middle that says
>>"Rundll32\\An error has occurred in your program. To keep working
>>anyway..." and Close and Ignore buttons. If I click Ignore, nothing
>>happens; Close brings up a (Windows style this time) "This program has
>>performed an illegal ..." with Close and Details>> buttons. If I close
>>this, all windows (back to and including Device Manger) disappear.
>>
>>If I remove the Realtek from Device Manager and restart, I get found new
>>hardware, with various windows appearing as normal, then it locks up (I
>>can't remember with what error message): if I Ctrl-alt-Del at that point,
>>I can get back to a blank desktop (no icons or taskbar, just a mouse
>>pointer). The only way out of that (it happens again if I restart) is to
>>use the old ERD again.
>>
>>My Rundll32 file is fine (I never suspected it anyway, as it usually gets
>>"blamed" when something else goes wrong, but I have checked it).
>>
>>I get something similar when trying to install another piece of hardware
>>(a microscope - i. e. basically a camera - and I am doing it according to
>>the instructions, i. e. drivers before connecting): _something_ crashes,
>>at the point after it's "found" the new hardware and is doing whatever it
>>does next at that point.
>>
>>Any suggestions what is wrong and how to fix it? (Getting sound back would
>>be a start, but I suspect that needs the problem solving anyway.)
>>
>>[It may not be UBCD that screwed things up, but I know at least one poster
>>who will think it did ... (-:]
>
> --
> J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985
> MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
> ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on
> PCs. **
>
> "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing
> on my
> shoulders."
> Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris
> harrison.

<snipped for length concerns>

I would install a clean, full version of Windows 98 Second Edition which you
can fully update to date of July 11, 2006 as per end of support date for 98
Second Edition. There are full copies on Ebay that range from around $50-$75
for an os which is really cheap and 98 Second Edition really does have that
internal safety of dos as its maintenance operating system.
My opinion is that Microsoft chose the wrong development path when choosing
NT over 9x and I hope the new source code Microsoft develops is awesome and
combines the best of 9x and its maintenance operating system of dos with a
new advanced underlying maintenance operating system of NT, with the external
security of Vista and totally redefines computing in a complex and less
toy-like manner of recent operating systems.
You can mitigate risks such as to Internet Explorer by using the latest
version of Mozilla Firefox, tools such as SpywareBlaster which imo is awesome
and my favorite blocking tool for undesirables that try to get onto your
system, read in plain text and block external remote code including html,
have a router with the proper defensive measures for external security, etc.

In message <ehW8QcAAJHA.528.DeleteThis@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, MEB
<meb.DeleteThis@not.here.invalid> writes
>Try using Safe Mode to remove ALL old drivers [any sound or problem
>devices].
>
>Look at the installation files in the folder from which you installed the
>purported driver [look at the inf{s}], make note of registry entries created
>and where files were placed and names.
> Run regedit, search for the RealTek entries and remove - search the INF
>folder for the Realtek INF{s} and delete - remove all files that were
>installed as shown by the install INFs.

Thanks; this is the sort of help I was after, of course.

However, I don't think it is the driver as such that is faulty; the odd
behaviour seems to happen at some point during the loading process -
and, I get something not dissimilar when attempting to load something
entirely different (a microscope, which is in effect a webcam). I don't
think it is the driver(s) as such, nor the rundll32 file.
>
>LOCATE a better driver... check to ensure the card is properly seated,
>install the new driver....
>
> When using an unofficial updater its usually best to install devices
>[except USB/Firewire] and applications PRIOR to installing/updating with the
>compilation.
[]
I have no option in this case anyway, as the hardware is the mobo's
built-in sound hardware. (And I don't _think_ there was a link to
disable it.) If I remove (the software/driver) from Device Manager and
reboot, it does the found new hardware bit, but then crashes
irretrievably while trying to load the drivers (which I've located from
the motherboard's website). If I do it without rebooting, it still
crashes, but I can get control back (I just accept a few error boxes and
it is back as it was, just still with no sound).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders."
Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris harrison.

I see you installed something new from soporific, what was it?

I have outlined what would likely be the normal procedure in this situation
and the procedure when installing an un-official compilation. Perhaps it
might be beneficial for you to outline what you have already done. You
should also note that unless you follow the procedures and updates/patch
process being used in unofficial patchings by the creator of the patch, your
results will likely NOT reflect the same success.
That type of process requires one be prepared to re-install an image should
the testing fail or corrupt one's system.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________



"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG.RemoveThis@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2$$0NjmT6DqIFw+D@soft255.demon.co.uk...
| In message <ehW8QcAAJHA.528.RemoveThis@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, MEB
| <meb.RemoveThis@not.here.invalid> writes
| >Try using Safe Mode to remove ALL old drivers [any sound or problem
| >devices].
| >
| >Look at the installation files in the folder from which you installed the
| >purported driver [look at the inf{s}], make note of registry entries
created
| >and where files were placed and names.
| > Run regedit, search for the RealTek entries and remove - search the INF
| >folder for the Realtek INF{s} and delete - remove all files that were
| >installed as shown by the install INFs.
|
| Thanks; this is the sort of help I was after, of course.
|
| However, I don't think it is the driver as such that is faulty; the odd
| behaviour seems to happen at some point during the loading process -
| and, I get something not dissimilar when attempting to load something
| entirely different (a microscope, which is in effect a webcam). I don't
| think it is the driver(s) as such, nor the rundll32 file.
| >
| >LOCATE a better driver... check to ensure the card is properly seated,
| >install the new driver....
| >
| > When using an unofficial updater its usually best to install devices
| >[except USB/Firewire] and applications PRIOR to installing/updating with
the
| >compilation.
| []
| I have no option in this case anyway, as the hardware is the mobo's
| built-in sound hardware. (And I don't _think_ there was a link to
| disable it.) If I remove (the software/driver) from Device Manager and
| reboot, it does the found new hardware bit, but then crashes
| irretrievably while trying to load the drivers (which I've located from
| the motherboard's website). If I do it without rebooting, it still
| crashes, but I can get control back (I just accept a few error boxes and
| it is back as it was, just still with no sound).
| --
| J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985
MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
| ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on
PCs. **
|
| "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing
on my
| shoulders."
| Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris
harrison.

In message <#KkDJGEAJHA.1016@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, Gary S. Terhune
<none@?.?.invalid> writes
>"...after installing a new, breed of 98Lite." You really need to fix that
>Subject.

Well, I'm _not_ convinced that 98lite it the cause of the problem (I
have tried reverting to the full '98 shell to see, in fact); I didn't
specifically put it in the subject because of this - I feel doing so may
make people who may have a solution ignore the thread.
>
>Here's the most positive advice I can give you. If you have problems with
>that cross-bred child of Windows and Linux, you not only do yourself a

Interesting - does 98lite have something to do with Linux then? (I ask
with no baggage: I'm just genuinely interested.)

>disservice by not dealing with them in a forum dedicated to the topic, you

Hmm, I was unaware there were any, but I've done a search after your
post, and I see that both of the newsservers I use actually include
fido7.su.f98lite, which I have now subscribed to; I suspect the "su"
means it'll be in Finnish (which I don't speak), but I'll report back.

>also do a great disservice to the average Joe or Jane who goes searching for
>procedures for their stock Windows 98 machines and happens onto this thread
>half way through, sees the subject, sees a bunch of procedures that appear
>to apply to his situation, and which (with any luck) do end up working for
>you, but which don't apply to his machine in the slightest and which in fact
>do his system a great deal of harm.

I take your point; I'll endeavour to ensure that some mention of 98lite
remains in the body of any post I put into the thread. (Though I still
maintain that it's not the cause of the problem; the problem did not
exist - on a machine that had been running 98lite for years - until I
tried something of soporific's. Now while I don't fully share your views
on _that_ either, I do agree that it was a dangerous thing to do without
more knowledge than I have, and am hoping to find out what it broke.)
>
>The least you could do, if you're going to *hijack* a newsgroup like this,
>would be to make it clear what you're talking about in the Subject.
>
Well, I'll try to keep some warning in the body. I'm not "hijacking the
newsgroup".
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders."
Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris harrison.

In message <856CDA41-8D55-4A99-82D0-EB3ECD215D33.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com>, Dan
<Dan.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> writes
><snipped for length concerns>
>
>I would install a clean, full version of Windows 98 Second Edition which you
>can fully update to date of July 11, 2006 as per end of support date for 98
>Second Edition. There are full copies on Ebay that range from around $50-$75
>for an os which is really cheap and 98 Second Edition really does have that
>internal safety of dos as its maintenance operating system.

I have a full 98SE (which I paid for), should I need to go that route -
though I am beginning to feel that, if I was to consider going for a
full install (by "clean" I assume you mean formatting), I'd probably go
for XP anyway. I really don't want to do that (98 or XP) though, as the
system has been built up over _years_, and I don't even _know_ (at the
very least, I don't remember - in some cases I suspect I really don't
know) some of how it got to how it is, so reinstalling everything would
be not only time-consuming but frustrating.

>My opinion is that Microsoft chose the wrong development path when choosing
>NT over 9x and I hope the new source code Microsoft develops is awesome and

Mine too, but we're not going to change them. Also, we're in a minority,
at least as far as the disc system is concerned.

>combines the best of 9x and its maintenance operating system of dos with a
>new advanced underlying maintenance operating system of NT, with the external
>security of Vista and totally redefines computing in a complex and less
>toy-like manner of recent operating systems.

I think the *x people are calling you ... (-: [it certainly won't happen
in Windows )-:]

>You can mitigate risks such as to Internet Explorer by using the latest
>version of Mozilla Firefox, tools such as SpywareBlaster which imo is awesome

I do (or will one of these days - I'm using Netscape 7.2 ATM)

>and my favorite blocking tool for undesirables that try to get onto your
>system, read in plain text and block external remote code including html,

I read in a reader (Turnpike) that doesn't follow any scripts or
similar, I control Java and Javascript ... haven't had a virus in
decades, AFAIK ...

>have a router with the proper defensive measures for external security, etc.
Yup.

I think that what has broken my system is not malware as such, just
something in soporific's UBCD (or, as he would point out, one of the
constituent parts to which all he's done is provide a wrapper), which
has changed/deleted/altered some file and/or setting in a way which has
had unforeseen consequences (basically something goes wrong when it's
trying to _load_ drivers). I'm just hoping someone has seen something
similar before and knows what has been broken. (Ideally someone using
98lite, but I don't want to exclude suggestions from anyone.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders."
Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris harrison.