(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Re-installing W98SE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>win98>performance (more info?)
> > "David" <David DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:E7D530EE-7895-44DC-9539-D6F3BF990EF1@microsoft.com...
> > >I have two computers: a new one running XP; and an old one running
98SE.
> > > I've just about got everything I need off the old one, and onto the
new
> > > one. The older one has serious problems. It may be hardware, but the
symptoms
> > > appear as a non-functioning Windows Explorer. I can't use it. And
any
> > > time a program tries to use it, the computer crashes. . . .
> > > CD. Can I uninstall W98SE and re-install it from my CD? What are the
> > > risks? What safeguard procedures should I follow?
> "Ron Badour" wrote:
>
> > Your description suggests a system problem rather than hardware so a
> > reinstall is in order. Do not attempt to do an install over the
existing
> > system--format the partition and do a clean install. The only possible
risk
> > is if you don't have the drivers for your hardware. The drivers might
be
> > included if you have a restore disk. Or, you might have other disks
with
> > drivers. Or, you might have to determine what specific hardware you
have
> > and get drivers from the internet. For information on installing W98,
go
> > to: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html (same site
that
> > Don recommends)
> Thanks Ron.
> I've sent the following message to Don, too. I haven't, yet, done the
> re-install and I'm still looking for alternatives. Before I do this,
> remembering the problem appears to inside Windows Explorer, if I up-graded
to
> Windows NT, might that serve my purpose? I don't want to loose programs
nor
> user files associated with, or running under W98SE... for example Quicken
> 2000. If I up-dated to NT, instead of re-installing W98, a). would I be
able
> to up-grade to NT while my Win98 Windows Explorer is U/S?...and...b).
would
> the up-grade install a new Windows Explorer component, or use the older
one?
1. Since you have transferred to your XP PC almost
everything you need, better follow RB's advice and
reformat and reinstal from scratch.
2. Alternatively, since hard drives are now so cheap,
you could fit a new HD as C:\ and instal to that (see
instructions at RB's web site). Then your old drive
will become D: (automatically since your FDISK
made it Primary DOS) and you can copy from it
anything you really need.
3. You will however need also to reinstal all your
user apps, and perhaps update them as well. The
point is that you do not know whether your problem
is caused by Registry errors. When over-installing
you may choose to reuse the old Registry or create
a new one from scratch. Most mavens think it is
simply too risky to reuse old Registries.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:36 am
Post subject: Re: Re-installing W98SE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"Don Phillipson" wrote:
> > > "David" <David RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:E7D530EE-7895-44DC-9539-D6F3BF990EF1@microsoft.com...
> > > >I have two computers: a new one running XP; and an old one running
> 98SE.
> > > > I've just about got everything I need off the old one, and onto the
> new
> > > > one. The older one has serious problems. It may be hardware, but the
> symptoms
> > > > appear as a non-functioning Windows Explorer. I can't use it. And
> any
> > > > time a program tries to use it, the computer crashes. . . .
> > > > CD. Can I uninstall W98SE and re-install it from my CD? What are the
> > > > risks? What safeguard procedures should I follow?
>
> > "Ron Badour" wrote:
> >
> > > Your description suggests a system problem rather than hardware so a
> > > reinstall is in order. Do not attempt to do an install over the
> existing
> > > system--format the partition and do a clean install. The only possible
> risk
> > > is if you don't have the drivers for your hardware. The drivers might
> be
> > > included if you have a restore disk. Or, you might have other disks
> with
> > > drivers. Or, you might have to determine what specific hardware you
> have
> > > and get drivers from the internet. For information on installing W98,
> go
> > > to: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html (same site
> that
> > > Don recommends)
>
> > Thanks Ron.
> > I've sent the following message to Don, too. I haven't, yet, done the
> > re-install and I'm still looking for alternatives. Before I do this,
> > remembering the problem appears to inside Windows Explorer, if I up-graded
> to
> > Windows NT, might that serve my purpose? I don't want to loose programs
> nor
> > user files associated with, or running under W98SE... for example Quicken
> > 2000. If I up-dated to NT, instead of re-installing W98, a). would I be
> able
> > to up-grade to NT while my Win98 Windows Explorer is U/S?...and...b).
> would
> > the up-grade install a new Windows Explorer component, or use the older
> one?
>
> 1. Since you have transferred to your XP PC almost
> everything you need, better follow RB's advice and
> reformat and reinstal from scratch.
> 2. Alternatively, since hard drives are now so cheap,
> you could fit a new HD as C:\ and instal to that (see
> instructions at RB's web site). Then your old drive
> will become D: (automatically since your FDISK
> made it Primary DOS) and you can copy from it
> anything you really need.
> 3. You will however need also to reinstal all your
> user apps, and perhaps update them as well. The
> point is that you do not know whether your problem
> is caused by Registry errors. When over-installing
> you may choose to reuse the old Registry or create
> a new one from scratch. Most mavens think it is
> simply too risky to reuse old Registries.
>
> --
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)
>
> and then
>
>
>My old computer, I think, has already got a C: and a D: drive. Would a new (C HD have to occupy the same "physical space" as the old one did, or... could I buy a new (external) HD and designate it as the C: drive? Would the old C: and D: drives, then, get arbitrarily re-lettered? B-T-W, in my previous post I said I might up-grade to NT... I meant Win 2000. Does that make any difference to your response?
Thanks again, Don.
(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:16 am
Post subject: Re: Re-installing W98SE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"David" <David.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:671D3556-1048-48AA-A31B-AA58C07AEBF8@microsoft.com...
> > 2. Alternatively, since hard drives are now so cheap,
> > you could fit a new HD as C:\ and instal to that (see
> > instructions at RB's web site). Then your old drive
> > will become D: (automatically since your FDISK
> > made it Primary DOS) and you can copy from it
> > anything you really need.
> My old computer, I think, has already got a C: and a D: drive. Would a
new (C HD have to > occupy the same "physical space" as the old one did,
or... could I buy a new (external) HD > and designate it as the C: drive?
Would the old C: and D: drives, then, get arbitrarily
> re lettered?
BIOS identifies HDD #1 and #2. (I think DOS FDISK calls
them #0 and #1, a feature of its origins approx. 1985, but
forget this.)
Win98 looks through BIOS for a logical drive set (by FDISK)
as Primary DOS. This becomes drive C. For simplicity's
sake, what we plan to use as drive C should be installed in
the PC as Master drive on IDE line #1.
Win98 needs no more than a single Primary DOS drive (and
does not expect to find more than one, unless you have
a boot manager, to offer a choice at boot between
two or more different operating systems) . All other logical
drives are created by FDISK in the Extended DOS partition.
Whenever Win98 boot encounters a second Primary DOS
partition it automatically becomes drive D: (because it gets priority
over Ext DOS logical drives.)
Thus if your old PC has C: and D: on a single hard drive,
and you make that the slave and put a new HDD as Master:
1. The new drive becomes C: (after you FDISK it as Primary
DOS. You need to FORMAT it before Windows can use it,
e.g. instal the Win98 Operating System.)
2. Your old C (if still Primary DOS) automatically becomes
drive D, because it is the second Priimary DOS drive found.
3. Thereafter, any Ext DOS drives on HDD #1 are lettered
in order, starting with the next letter viz. E: Then follow
any Ext DOS drives found on HDD # 2. So (if you created
more than one drive on your new HDD) your old drive D
might become F or G etc.
4. Windows gives the next free drive letter(s) to the
CD drive(s) found (and after that any USB drive devices).
If we ever consider adding any drives, it is thus a good
idea to reassign a later drive letter to our CD drive. That
way, if you add an extra HDD, none of your Registry
details (e.g. filepath to source files for Windows or
drivers) needs to be updated. I always have any
CD-ROM set up as drive O and any CD R/W drive
as drive Q.
5. Point #3 is where drive identifying names become
useful, to distinguish between old D: and new D:
I name drives installed on date 1 July 2006 as
either Boot1JLY06 (if Primary DOS) or Data1JLY06
(if Ext DOS.)
> B-T-W, in my previous post I said I might up-grade to NT... I meant Win
2000. Does that
> make any difference to your response?
The standard question applies. What would Win2000
allow you to do that (1) you want to do now, and
(2) Win98SE does not allow?
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Re-installing W98SE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"Don Phillipson" wrote:
> "David" <David.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:671D3556-1048-48AA-A31B-AA58C07AEBF8@microsoft.com...
>
> > > 2. Alternatively, since hard drives are now so cheap,
> > > you could fit a new HD as C:\ and instal to that (see
> > > instructions at RB's web site). Then your old drive
> > > will become D: (automatically since your FDISK
> > > made it Primary DOS) and you can copy from it
> > > anything you really need.
>
> > My old computer, I think, has already got a C: and a D: drive. Would a
> new (C HD have to > occupy the same "physical space" as the old one did,
> or... could I buy a new (external) HD > and designate it as the C: drive?
> Would the old C: and D: drives, then, get arbitrarily
> > re lettered?
>
> BIOS identifies HDD #1 and #2. (I think DOS FDISK calls
> them #0 and #1, a feature of its origins approx. 1985, but
> forget this.)
>
> Win98 looks through BIOS for a logical drive set (by FDISK)
> as Primary DOS. This becomes drive C. For simplicity's
> sake, what we plan to use as drive C should be installed in
> the PC as Master drive on IDE line #1.
>
> Win98 needs no more than a single Primary DOS drive (and
> does not expect to find more than one, unless you have
> a boot manager, to offer a choice at boot between
> two or more different operating systems) . All other logical
> drives are created by FDISK in the Extended DOS partition.
> Whenever Win98 boot encounters a second Primary DOS
> partition it automatically becomes drive D: (because it gets priority
> over Ext DOS logical drives.)
>
> Thus if your old PC has C: and D: on a single hard drive,
> and you make that the slave and put a new HDD as Master:
> 1. The new drive becomes C: (after you FDISK it as Primary
> DOS. You need to FORMAT it before Windows can use it,
> e.g. instal the Win98 Operating System.)
> 2. Your old C (if still Primary DOS) automatically becomes
> drive D, because it is the second Priimary DOS drive found.
> 3. Thereafter, any Ext DOS drives on HDD #1 are lettered
> in order, starting with the next letter viz. E: Then follow
> any Ext DOS drives found on HDD # 2. So (if you created
> more than one drive on your new HDD) your old drive D
> might become F or G etc.
> 4. Windows gives the next free drive letter(s) to the
> CD drive(s) found (and after that any USB drive devices).
> If we ever consider adding any drives, it is thus a good
> idea to reassign a later drive letter to our CD drive. That
> way, if you add an extra HDD, none of your Registry
> details (e.g. filepath to source files for Windows or
> drivers) needs to be updated. I always have any
> CD-ROM set up as drive O and any CD R/W drive
> as drive Q.
> 5. Point #3 is where drive identifying names become
> useful, to distinguish between old D: and new D:
> I name drives installed on date 1 July 2006 as
> either Boot1JLY06 (if Primary DOS) or Data1JLY06
> (if Ext DOS.)
>
> > B-T-W, in my previous post I said I might up-grade to NT... I meant Win
> 2000. Does that
> > make any difference to your response?
>
> The standard question applies. What would Win2000
> allow you to do that (1) you want to do now, and
> (2) Win98SE does not allow?
>
> --
> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)
>
>
> The standard question is always apt... and I have an answer: What my Win98SE does not have is a functioning Windows Explorer. I can't use it. Any time I, or
a program, tries to use it, the computer crashes. Soooo, I thought an
up-grade might replace that faulty component, and yet not be too large for my
old computer AND allow me to run the older programs I'm so hooked on. An
up-grade to Win2000 (that IS different from Windows NT, isn't it?) may allow
an "intermediate up-grade" and, at the same time, replace my faulty "Windows
Explorer".
(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Re-installing W98SE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Win98 to WinNT is not a supported Upgrade path. You would have to upgrade to
Windows XP (if your hardware will support it.)
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP -- Shell/User
"David" <David.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "David" wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Don. I haven't had time yet to follow through but I will
follow
> > that link you sent.
> >
> > David
> >
> > "Don Phillipson" wrote:
> >
> > > "David" <David.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:E7D530EE-7895-44DC-9539-D6F3BF990EF1@microsoft.com...
> > >
> > > > I have my original W98SE
> > > > CD. Can I uninstall W98SE and re-install it from my CD? What are
the
> > > risks?
> > >
> > > http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html > > >
> > > --
> > > Don Phillipson
> > > Carlsbad Springs
> > > (Ottawa, Canada)
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Don.
>
> Thanks Don.
> Before I do this, remembering the problem appears to inside Windows
> Explorer, if I up-graded to Windows NT, might that serve my purpose? I
don't
> want to loose programs nor user files associated with, or running under
> W98SE... for example Quicken 2000. If I up-dated to NT, instead of
> re-installing W98, a). would I be able to up-grade to NT while my Win98
> Windows Explorer is U/S?...and...b). would the up-grade install a new
Windows
> Explorer component, or use the older one?
(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:48 pm
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"David" <David DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:55F470DD-A8BF-4A9A-B96D-A02F6D9DD7F8@microsoft.com...
> What my Win98SE does not have is a functioning Windows Explorer.
> I can't use it. Any time I, or
> a program, tries to use it, the computer crashes. Soooo, I thought an
> up-grade might replace that faulty component, and yet not be too large for
my
> old computer AND allow me to run the older programs I'm so hooked on. An
> up-grade to Win2000 (that IS different from Windows NT, isn't it?) may
allow
> an "intermediate up-grade" and, at the same time, replace my faulty
"Windows
> Explorer".
EXPLORE.EXE is not a "component" of the Win98
Operating System so much as its core -- the essential
central part that enables the peripheral parts to work.
You may be able to repair yours by running the year 2004
Upgrade/Security disk or any of several service upgrades.
We do not know. That is why your fastest route to a serviceable
PC is to reinstal Win98SE which takes about 45 minutes.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:16 am
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Don Phillipson wrote:
> "David" <David.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:55F470DD-A8BF-4A9A-B96D-A02F6D9DD7F8@microsoft.com...
>
>
>> What my Win98SE does not have is a functioning Windows Explorer.
>> I can't use it. Any time I, or
>>a program, tries to use it, the computer crashes. Soooo, I thought an
>>up-grade might replace that faulty component, and yet not be too large for
>
> my
>
>>old computer AND allow me to run the older programs I'm so hooked on. An
>>up-grade to Win2000 (that IS different from Windows NT, isn't it?) may
>
> allow
>
>>an "intermediate up-grade" and, at the same time, replace my faulty
>
> "Windows
>
>>Explorer".
>
>
> EXPLORE.EXE is not a "component" of the Win98
> Operating System so much as its core -- the essential
> central part that enables the peripheral parts to work.
> You may be able to repair yours by running the year 2004
> Upgrade/Security disk or any of several service upgrades.
> We do not know. That is why your fastest route to a serviceable
> PC is to reinstal Win98SE which takes about 45 minutes.
>
With a batch script, it take me less than 12 minutes.
(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:16 am
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It *very* much depends on the speed of the machine.
"Ghowst" <ghoward1001 DeleteThis @nospams.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Don Phillipson wrote:
> > "David" <David DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:55F470DD-A8BF-4A9A-B96D-A02F6D9DD7F8@microsoft.com...
> >
> >
> >> What my Win98SE does not have is a functioning Windows Explorer.
> >> I can't use it. Any time I, or
> >>a program, tries to use it, the computer crashes. Soooo, I thought an
> >>up-grade might replace that faulty component, and yet not be too large
for
> >
> > my
> >
> >>old computer AND allow me to run the older programs I'm so hooked on.
An
> >>up-grade to Win2000 (that IS different from Windows NT, isn't it?) may
> >
> > allow
> >
> >>an "intermediate up-grade" and, at the same time, replace my faulty
> >
> > "Windows
> >
> >>Explorer".
> >
> >
> > EXPLORE.EXE is not a "component" of the Win98
> > Operating System so much as its core -- the essential
> > central part that enables the peripheral parts to work.
> > You may be able to repair yours by running the year 2004
> > Upgrade/Security disk or any of several service upgrades.
> > We do not know. That is why your fastest route to a serviceable
> > PC is to reinstal Win98SE which takes about 45 minutes.
> >
>
> With a batch script, it take me less than 12 minutes.
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