Win 98 Bootup Problem

Lee wrote:
>
> On Aug 3, 10:45 pm, Scott <gol....RemoveThis@uslink.net> wrote:
> > Jeff Richards wrote:
> >
> > > It sounds like it is trying to boot from a second device, such as the CD.
> > > Is there a disk in the CD drive?
> >
> > > This can happen if there is a problem with the hard drive and the system
> > > does not see the hard drive as available and bootable at startup. It then
> > > looks for other devices to boot from. The fact that the problem goes away
> > > after a while indicates that perhaps the hard drive is taking too long to
> > > become ready.You should get a hard disk drive diagnostic program from the
> > > www site of the hard drive manufacturer and use it to determine if there is
> > > a problem with the drive.
> >
> > > If you haven't made any changes to your system in the last few days then
> > > doing a Scanreg /restore may be worth trying, but my guess is that it won't
> > > fix anything.
> > > --
> > > Jeff Richards
> > > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> > > "Scott" <gol....RemoveThis@uslink.net> wrote in message
> > >news:4A746002.CEA5DA04@uslink.net...
> > > > My Win98 desktop has had a problem booting up twice recently. After
> > > > recognizing
> > > > the CD ROM, it starts displaying lines and lines of drivers, plus MSD, MSD
> > > > MSD
> > > > MSD, etc. After shutting it down a few times, it reboots normally.
> >
> > > > Is this a registry problem?
> >
> > > > Other than entering "scanrag /restore" the next time this happens, is
> > > > there something
> > > > I can do to prevent this from happening again?
> >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Scott
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > When booting up this morning, I got the "MSD", "MSD", "MSD" message again right
> > after it recognized the CD-ROM. After 2 reboots, it booted okay. Today, I ran the
> > WD diagnostic program in DOS and a thorough scandisk. Both reported no errors
> > on the drive.
> >
> > Do you think I should replace the WD 80 GB drive, just to be sure? I can get an
> > OEM version fromwww.newegg.comfor $38.00.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Scott- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You don't already have a spare hard drive to test with? Sure get it.
> What does MSD stand for? Why would you see more than one instance of
> it?
>
> Memory problems will cause odd behaviors like this, does the unit ever
> die for no good reason?

I do have a spare older drive. It just seems like a good idea to put a brand new
one in.

No, the desktop doesn't ever die for no good reason.

Scott

philo wrote:
>
> >
> > When booting up this morning, I got the "MSD", "MSD", "MSD" message again right
> > after it recognized the CD-ROM. After 2 reboots, it booted okay. Today, I ran the
> > WD diagnostic program in DOS and a thorough scandisk. Both reported no errors
> > on the drive.
> >
> > Do you think I should replace the WD 80 GB drive, just to be sure? I can get an
> > OEM version from www.newegg.com for $38.00.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Scott
>
> Though it's possible the drive could be bad...even after passing the
> diagnostics...chances are it's ok.
>
> As far as error messages go, it would sure be helpful if you could list
> the messages verbatim...
>
> telling us you are getting "MSD" messages does not mean much.
>
> One thing to also try is running a RAM test such as memtest86
>
> if any errors are reported, you can stop the test at that point and
> assume you have bad RAM


Okay. Is there a way to print screen in DOS when the error messages are displaying
during the bootup?

I do have memtest86, so I'll run it and report back here.

Scott

Scott wrote:
>
> philo wrote:
>>> When booting up this morning, I got the "MSD", "MSD", "MSD" message again right
>>> after it recognized the CD-ROM. After 2 reboots, it booted okay. Today, I ran the
>>> WD diagnostic program in DOS and a thorough scandisk. Both reported no errors
>>> on the drive.
>>>
>>> Do you think I should replace the WD 80 GB drive, just to be sure? I can get an
>>> OEM version from www.newegg.com for $38.00.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Scott
>> Though it's possible the drive could be bad...even after passing the
>> diagnostics...chances are it's ok.
>>
>> As far as error messages go, it would sure be helpful if you could list
>> the messages verbatim...
>>
>> telling us you are getting "MSD" messages does not mean much.
>>
>> One thing to also try is running a RAM test such as memtest86
>>
>> if any errors are reported, you can stop the test at that point and
>> assume you have bad RAM
>
>
> Okay. Is there a way to print screen in DOS when the error messages are displaying
> during the bootup?
>
> I do have memtest86, so I'll run it and report back here.
>
> Scott


Well let memtest run for a while...
though it should run for at least an hour or more...
if you have serious ram problems, they will usually start showing up
pretty early on in the test...
if any problems are found you can stop the test ...as there should be no
problems at all



as to bootlog.txt

have a look here


http://www.windowsgalore.com/windows.95/files.htm

On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:41:55 -0500, Scott <golden.TakeThisOut@uslink.net> wrote:

>
>
>mm wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:21:44 -0500, Scott <golden.TakeThisOut@uslink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Jeff Richards wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It sounds like it is trying to boot from a second device, such as the CD.
>> >> Is there a disk in the CD drive?
>> >>
>> >> This can happen if there is a problem with the hard drive and the system
>> >> does not see the hard drive as available and bootable at startup. It then
>> >> looks for other devices to boot from. The fact that the problem goes away
>> >> after a while indicates that perhaps the hard drive is taking too long to
>> >> become ready.You should get a hard disk drive diagnostic program from the
>> >> www site of the hard drive manufacturer and use it to determine if there is
>> >> a problem with the drive.
>> >>
>> >> If you haven't made any changes to your system in the last few days then
>> >> doing a Scanreg /restore may be worth trying, but my guess is that it won't
>> >> fix anything.
>> >> --
>> >> Jeff Richards
>> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>> >> "Scott" <golden.TakeThisOut@uslink.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:4A746002.CEA5DA04@uslink.net...
>> >> > My Win98 desktop has had a problem booting up twice recently. After
>> >> > recognizing
>> >> > the CD ROM, it starts displaying lines and lines of drivers, plus MSD, MSD
>> >> > MSD
>> >> > MSD, etc. After shutting it down a few times, it reboots normally.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is this a registry problem?
>> >> >
>> >> > Other than entering "scanrag /restore" the next time this happens, is
>> >> > there something
>> >> > I can do to prevent this from happening again?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> > Scott
>> >
>> >Yes, I'll run the hard drive diagnostic program today. The funny thing is, I've
>> >replace the WD hard drive on this Win98 desktop every few years, but the drives
>> >on the other 3 computers in my house just keep plugging along. Go figure.
>>
>> What version of Mojo does the problme conputer have? Version 6.02
>> through version 9.xx are all good, but those below 6 or above 9 are
>> bad mojo.
>>
>> >Scott
>
>Pardon my density, but what is "mojo"?
>
>Thanks!
>Scott

I think it also has come to mean the bad luck (or good luck?) that
magic etc. can attach to something. I think that one computer has it.

mojo noun, plural -jos, -joes.
1. the art or practice of casting magic spells; magic; voodoo.
2. an object, as an amulet or charm, that is believed to carry a
magic spell.
Origin:
1925–30, Americanism; cf. Gullah moco witchcraft, magic, prob. akin to
Fulani moco'o medicine man (c represents voiced palatal stop)
Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.

mo·jo (mo-'jo-') n. pl. mo·jos or mo·joes
1. A magic charm or spell.
2. An amulet, often a small flannel bag containing one or more
magic items, worn by adherents of hoodoo or voodoo.
3. Personal magnetism; charm.

[Perhaps ultimately from Fula moco'o, medicine man.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
Edition

I think in this context it refers to what computer technicians would know as
a certain presence or power in the ether that is typically controlled by
holding your mouth in the right shape while pressing a button or waiting for
something to happen (or not happen, as the case may be.)
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Scott" <golden RemoveThis @uslink.net> wrote in message
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>
> snip <
>
> Pardon my density, but what is "mojo"?
>
> Thanks!
> Scott

MSD is a Microsoft utility used to examine the PC hardware arrangement and
Windows setup. It is fairly primitive compared to newer investigative
tools (and simply ignores some hardware, such as USB), but is adequate for
some preliminary troubleshooting steps.

Any W98 installation that is something like original will probably have MSD
installed, especially if it was upgraded from W95.

It is possible that the message appears repeatedly because the startup files
include a script that tries to invoke MSD, and then continues retrying if it
detects that MSD didn't start or exited illegally, or if the problem that
caused MSD to be invoked in the first place continues to apply (the script
loops).
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Lee" <melee5.RemoveThis@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 3, 10:45 pm, Scott <gol....RemoveThis@uslink.net> wrote:
> snip <

You don't already have a spare hard drive to test with? Sure get it.
What does MSD stand for? Why would you see more than one instance of
it?

Memory problems will cause odd behaviors like this, does the unit ever
die for no good reason?