Missing "From" entries in Newsgroup messages

Syke wrote:
<snip>
>>>> Thanks for that, but I find this puzzling. I use Windows Automatic
>>>> Update and this is a copy of what I find when I check my system on
>>>> the Windows Update Site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express for
>>>> Windows XP (KB929123) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>> Windows XP Security Update for Windows XP with Windows Media
>>>> Format Runtime 9 (KB941569) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>> Windows XP Security Update for Outlook Express for Windows XP
>>>> (KB951066) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>> Windows Defender Definition Update for Windows Defender -
>>>> KB915597 (Definition 1.41.1074.0) 04 September 2008 Automatic
>>>> Updates Windows Windows Update Agent 7.2.6001.784 04
>>>> September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>
>>> What Bruce said (and congrats for enabling Automatic Updates).
>>>
> You credit me with more guile than I could possibly be capable of! I've
> had
> Automatic Updates enabled since April 2007!!

Then something's been screwy for a quite some time. KB923123 was released
12 June-*07* and KB941569 was released 11 Dec-*07*, yet it's just been
installed. Furthermore, KB951066 is also installed (according to your
headers): It was released on 12 Aug-08 and does not appear in your list.

How is Automatic Updates configured now (e.g., Automatic; Download but
Notify; Notify Only)? Did you recently change this setting? See
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
--
~PA Bear

Bruce Hagen wrote:
>> "Syke" <h.macguire RemoveThis @CRUIVEvirgin.net> wrote in message
>> news:6iai4tFpo8pqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>> Syke wrote:
>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for taking the time. The Default Encoding
>>>>>>>>>> tip did the trick! It was probably caused by me "tweaking"!
>>>>>>>>>> Lesson Learned!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> YW. You still need to visit Windows Updates. You are running a
>>>>>>>>> very old and
>>>>>>>>> less secure version of Outlook Express.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...and IE and WinXP.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since
>>>>>>>> 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>>>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for that, but I find this puzzling. I use Windows
>>>>>> Automatic Update and this is a copy of what I find when I check
>>>>>> my system on the Windows Update Site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows XP Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express
>>>>>> for Windows XP (KB929123) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>> Windows XP Security Update for Windows XP with Windows Media
>>>>>> Format Runtime 9 (KB941569) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>> Windows XP Security Update for Outlook Express for Windows
>>>>>> XP (KB951066) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>> Windows Defender Definition Update for Windows Defender -
>>>>>> KB915597 (Definition 1.41.1074.0) 04 September 2008 Automatic
>>>>>> Updates Windows Windows Update Agent 7.2.6001.784 04
>>>>>> September 2008
>>>>>> Automatic Updates
>>>>>
>>>>> What Bruce said (and congrats for enabling Automatic Updates).
>>>>> --
>>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>
>>> You credit me with more guile than I could possibly be capable of!
>>> I've had
>>> Automatic Updates enabled since April 2007!!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Pat Macguire
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well, they haven't been working until prior to your very last post.
>> Could you have had "Notify, but do not install" checked?
>> --
>>
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>> Imperial Beach, CA

I have actually, but always check to make sure I want the particular update,
for example I don't really want SP3 (yet,anyway).

Regards

Pat Macguire

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> Syke wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>>> Thanks for that, but I find this puzzling. I use Windows
>>>>>> Automatic Update and this is a copy of what I find when I check
>>>>>> my system on the Windows Update Site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows XP Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express
>>>>>> for Windows XP (KB929123) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>> Windows XP Security Update for Windows XP with Windows Media
>>>>>> Format Runtime 9 (KB941569) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>> Windows XP Security Update for Outlook Express for Windows
>>>>>> XP (KB951066) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>> Windows Defender Definition Update for Windows Defender -
>>>>>> KB915597 (Definition 1.41.1074.0) 04 September 2008 Automatic
>>>>>> Updates Windows Windows Update Agent 7.2.6001.784 04
>>>>>> September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>
>>>>> What Bruce said (and congrats for enabling Automatic Updates).
>>>>>
>>> You credit me with more guile than I could possibly be capable of!
>>> I've had
>>> Automatic Updates enabled since April 2007!!
>>
>> Then something's been screwy for a quite some time. KB923123 was
>> released 12 June-*07* and KB941569 was released 11 Dec-*07*, yet
>> it's just been installed. Furthermore, KB951066 is also installed
>> (according to your headers): It was released on 12 Aug-08 and does
>> not appear in your list.
>>
>> How is Automatic Updates configured now (e.g., Automatic; Download
>> but Notify; Notify Only)? Did you recently change this setting? See
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>> --
>> ~PA Bear

It's set to Notify Only. The only clue I can offer is that the system was
new in about April 2006, and had to be re-formatted and a clean install done
about a year ago. In an attempt to solve the original Font problem, I did a
System Restore (back to 31 August) but because that didn't help, I undid the
Restore. I'm certainly no expert, but I do regular Diskcheck,
De-fragmenting, Reg Pro Supreme and CCleaner about once a week, along with
weekly Virus checks (Steganos) and Spyware checks, (Spyware Doctor, Windows
Defender, Spybot and Advanced Windows Care, (Overkill, I know, but I'm a bit
nervous about infections!!) I'm a subscriber to Windows Secrets, and Langa
List before that, and don't download Windows Updates till they give them the
All Clear.

Sorry for the length of this,

Regards

Pat Macguire

Syke wrote:
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>> Syke wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> Thanks for that, but I find this puzzling. I use Windows
>>>>>>> Automatic Update and this is a copy of what I find when I check
>>>>>>> my system on the Windows Update Site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows XP Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express
>>>>>>> for Windows XP (KB929123) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>>> Windows XP Security Update for Windows XP with Windows Media
>>>>>>> Format Runtime 9 (KB941569) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>>> Windows XP Security Update for Outlook Express for Windows
>>>>>>> XP (KB951066) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>>> Windows Defender Definition Update for Windows Defender -
>>>>>>> KB915597 (Definition 1.41.1074.0) 04 September 2008 Automatic
>>>>>>> Updates Windows Windows Update Agent 7.2.6001.784 04
>>>>>>> September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What Bruce said (and congrats for enabling Automatic Updates).
>>>>>>
>>>> You credit me with more guile than I could possibly be capable of!
>>>> I've had
>>>> Automatic Updates enabled since April 2007!!
>>>
>>> Then something's been screwy for a quite some time. KB923123 was
>>> released 12 June-*07* and KB941569 was released 11 Dec-*07*, yet
>>> it's just been installed. Furthermore, KB951066 is also installed
>>> (according to your headers): It was released on 12 Aug-08 and does
>>> not appear in your list.
>>>
>>> How is Automatic Updates configured now (e.g., Automatic; Download
>>> but Notify; Notify Only)? Did you recently change this setting? See
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>>>
> It's set to Notify Only. The only clue I can offer is that the system was
> new in about April 2006, and had to be re-formatted and a clean install
> done
> about a year ago. In an attempt to solve the original Font problem, I did
> a
> System Restore (back to 31 August) but because that didn't help, I undid
> the
> Restore. I'm certainly no expert, but I do regular Diskcheck,
> De-fragmenting, Reg Pro Supreme and CCleaner about once a week, along with
> weekly Virus checks (Steganos) and Spyware checks, (Spyware Doctor,
> Windows
> Defender, Spybot and Advanced Windows Care, (Overkill, I know, but I'm a
> bit
> nervous about infections!!) I'm a subscriber to Windows Secrets, and Langa
> List before that, and don't download Windows Updates till they give them
> the
> All Clear.

> ...The only clue I can offer is that the system was
> new in about April 2006, and had to be re-formatted and a clean install
> done
> about a year ago.

Then I suspect no updates whatsoever installed after the clean install until
Windows Update Agent 7.2.6001.784 was installed on 04 September (which
occurred automatically and independent of your AU settings; cf.
http://blogs.technet.com/mu/archive/2008/07/03/upcoming-update-to-wind...-update).

Had you been aware of that updates weren't being installed, Resolution
Method 1 and/or Method 2 in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144 would
have addressed the issue.

I encourage you to:

1. Check in at Windows Update now and install any remaining critical
security updates offered;

2. If you have MS Office installed and Microsoft Update is NOT your default
update source, either check-in at Office Update or change your default from
Windows Update to Microsoft Update (which will offer you updates for Office
and many Windows Live applications);

3. Be prepared for a new round of updates to be offered on 09 Sept-08 (cf.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-sep.mspx) and on
every successive Patch Tuesday in the future; and

4. Reconsider your policy of installing critical security updates only after
Windows Secrets mail list says it's OK to do so:

• The updates are rigorously tested prior to release and 99% of users
will not encounter any issues after installing them

• 99.999% of security updates are fully uninstallable;

• Your machine(s) remains vulnerable to wide-spread security exploits
(especially after the updates have been released) if the machine is in an
unpatched state; and

• MS offers no-charge support for every security update released.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> Syke wrote:
>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>> Syke wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that, but I find this puzzling. I use Windows
>>>>>>>>> Automatic Update and this is a copy of what I find when I
>>>>>>>>> check my system on the Windows Update Site.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express
>>>>>>>>> for Windows XP (KB929123) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Security Update for Windows XP with Windows
>>>>>>>>> Media Format Runtime 9 (KB941569) 04 September 2008
>>>>>>>>> Automatic Updates Windows XP Security Update for Outlook
>>>>>>>>> Express for Windows
>>>>>>>>> XP (KB951066) 04 September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>>>>> Windows Defender Definition Update for Windows Defender -
>>>>>>>>> KB915597 (Definition 1.41.1074.0) 04 September 2008 Automatic
>>>>>>>>> Updates Windows Windows Update Agent 7.2.6001.784 04
>>>>>>>>> September 2008 Automatic Updates
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What Bruce said (and congrats for enabling Automatic Updates).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You credit me with more guile than I could possibly be capable
>>>>>> of! I've had
>>>>>> Automatic Updates enabled since April 2007!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Then something's been screwy for a quite some time. KB923123 was
>>>>> released 12 June-*07* and KB941569 was released 11 Dec-*07*, yet
>>>>> it's just been installed. Furthermore, KB951066 is also installed
>>>>> (according to your headers): It was released on 12 Aug-08 and does
>>>>> not appear in your list.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is Automatic Updates configured now (e.g., Automatic; Download
>>>>> but Notify; Notify Only)? Did you recently change this setting?
>>>>> See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>>>>>
>>> It's set to Notify Only. The only clue I can offer is that the
>>> system was new in about April 2006, and had to be re-formatted and
>>> a clean install done
>>> about a year ago. In an attempt to solve the original Font
>>> problem, I did a
>>> System Restore (back to 31 August) but because that didn't help, I
>>> undid the
>>> Restore. I'm certainly no expert, but I do regular Diskcheck,
>>> De-fragmenting, Reg Pro Supreme and CCleaner about once a week,
>>> along with weekly Virus checks (Steganos) and Spyware checks,
>>> (Spyware Doctor, Windows
>>> Defender, Spybot and Advanced Windows Care, (Overkill, I know, but
>>> I'm a bit
>>> nervous about infections!!) I'm a subscriber to Windows Secrets,
>>> and Langa List before that, and don't download Windows Updates till
>>> they give them the
>>> All Clear.
>>
>>> ...The only clue I can offer is that the system was
>>> new in about April 2006, and had to be re-formatted and a clean
>>> install done
>>> about a year ago.
>>
>> Then I suspect no updates whatsoever installed after the clean
>> install until Windows Update Agent 7.2.6001.784 was installed on 04
>> September (which occurred automatically and independent of your AU
>> settings; cf.
>> http://blogs.technet.com/mu/archive/2008/07/03/upcoming-update-to-wind...-update).
>>
>> Had you been aware of that updates weren't being installed,
>> Resolution Method 1 and/or Method 2 in
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144 would have addressed the
>> issue.
>>
>> I encourage you to:
>>
>> 1. Check in at Windows Update now and install any remaining critical
>> security updates offered;
>>
>> 2. If you have MS Office installed and Microsoft Update is NOT your
>> default update source, either check-in at Office Update or change
>> your default from Windows Update to Microsoft Update (which will
>> offer you updates for Office and many Windows Live applications);
>>
>> 3. Be prepared for a new round of updates to be offered on 09
>> Sept-08 (cf.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-sep.mspx)
>> and on every successive Patch Tuesday in the future; and
>>
>> 4. Reconsider your policy of installing critical security updates
>> only after Windows Secrets mail list says it's OK to do so:
>>
>> . The updates are rigorously tested prior to release and 99% of
>> users will not encounter any issues after installing them
>>
>> . 99.999% of security updates are fully uninstallable;
>>
>> . Your machine(s) remains vulnerable to wide-spread security
>> exploits (especially after the updates have been released) if the
>> machine is in an unpatched state; and
>>
>> . MS offers no-charge support for every security update released.
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Again, thanks for taking the time. I will follow your advice!!

Regards

Pat Macguire

Syke wrote:
<snip>
>>>> It's set to Notify Only. The only clue I can offer is that the
>>>> system was new in about April 2006, and had to be re-formatted and
>>>> a clean install done
>>>> about a year ago. In an attempt to solve the original Font
>>>> problem, I did a
>>>> System Restore (back to 31 August) but because that didn't help, I
>>>> undid the
>>>> Restore. I'm certainly no expert, but I do regular Diskcheck,
>>>> De-fragmenting, Reg Pro Supreme and CCleaner about once a week,
>>>> along with weekly Virus checks (Steganos) and Spyware checks,
>>>> (Spyware Doctor, Windows
>>>> Defender, Spybot and Advanced Windows Care, (Overkill, I know, but
>>>> I'm a bit
>>>> nervous about infections!!) I'm a subscriber to Windows Secrets,
>>>> and Langa List before that, and don't download Windows Updates till
>>>> they give them the
>>>> All Clear.
>>>
>>>> ...The only clue I can offer is that the system was
>>>> new in about April 2006, and had to be re-formatted and a clean
>>>> install done
>>>> about a year ago.
>>>
>>> Then I suspect no updates whatsoever installed after the clean
>>> install until Windows Update Agent 7.2.6001.784 was installed on 04
>>> September (which occurred automatically and independent of your AU
>>> settings; cf.
>>> http://blogs.technet.com/mu/archive/2008/07/03/upcoming-update-to-wind...-update).
>>>
>>> Had you been aware of that updates weren't being installed,
>>> Resolution Method 1 and/or Method 2 in
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144 would have addressed the
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> I encourage you to:
>>>
>>> 1. Check in at Windows Update now and install any remaining critical
>>> security updates offered;
>>>
>>> 2. If you have MS Office installed and Microsoft Update is NOT your
>>> default update source, either check-in at Office Update or change
>>> your default from Windows Update to Microsoft Update (which will
>>> offer you updates for Office and many Windows Live applications);
>>>
>>> 3. Be prepared for a new round of updates to be offered on 09
>>> Sept-08 (cf.
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-sep.mspx)
>>> and on every successive Patch Tuesday in the future; and
>>>
>>> 4. Reconsider your policy of installing critical security updates
>>> only after Windows Secrets mail list says it's OK to do so:
>>>
>>> . The updates are rigorously tested prior to release and 99% of
>>> users will not encounter any issues after installing them
>>>
>>> . 99.999% of security updates are fully uninstallable;
>>>
>>> . Your machine(s) remains vulnerable to wide-spread security
>>> exploits (especially after the updates have been released) if the
>>> machine is in an unpatched state; and
>>>
>>> . MS offers no-charge support for every security update released.
>>>
> Again, thanks for taking the time. I will follow your advice!!

YW.