driver for flash drive pen

Franc Zabkar wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:29:36 -0600, "Bill in Co."
> <not_really_here.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>> Franc Zabkar wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:53:17 -0600, "Bill in Co."
>>> <not_really_here.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>>>
>>>> I had a couple of questions related to this:
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if you install this "generic" USB driver, if it will replace
the
>>>> now current (but minor) annoyance of every time you add a new device of
>>>> even the same type, Win98SE insists on installing yet another "USB
driver"
>>>> (as if it's for a new "serial number", as was mentioned in here
before).
>>>>
>>>> AND - if it could obviate ever having to install a new, specific and
>>>> dedicated USB driver again, if you add more new devices. Anybody
happen
>>>> to know? (But I know that it's probably a LOT better to use the
driver
>>>> that comes with the specific unit, however).
>>>
>>> Some time ago I attempted to analyse what it was about a particular
>>> generic driver that made it generic. AFAICT, the generic INF file
>>> appeared to detect storage devices based on their Class and Subclass
>>> attributes rather than their Vendor and Product IDs.
>>>
>>>
>>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/8c1
>> 0df4db01f22ef?dmode=source&hl=en
>>>
>>> - Franc Zabkar
>>
>> Interesting. Which begs the question, what exactly (and specifically)
is
>> different in the specific configuration of the devices after the
>> installations, and its capabilities?
>>
>> IOW, not just in the INF install instructions, or different files added
to
>> the system, but what else is really different that might give an edge to
a
>> (properly working) specific USB device driver, vs the generic one, if
>> anything?
>
> I would think that if a particular device has a unique feature, then
> its manufacturer would need to provide drivers for all operating
> systems, not just Win98SE. Otherwise how would Win XP, which uses a
> one-driver-for-all approach, be able to take advantage of the extra
> capability?

Well, ok, maybe you're right. (I just don't know enough about it). And
I don't know how XP handles it since I haven't used XP yet, but thanks for
that info, which sure seems to make sense.

So I guess in summary we're almost postulating that this one generic USB
driver for Win98SE could work as effectively for several different USB
devices as any specific ones that come with the hardware (provided it works
at all)

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:46:54 -0600, "Bill in Co."
<not_really_here DeleteThis @earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>>> Which begs the question, what exactly (and specifically)
>is
>>> different in the specific configuration of the devices after the
>>> installations, and its capabilities?
>>>
>>> IOW, not just in the INF install instructions, or different files added
>to
>>> the system, but what else is really different that might give an edge to
>a
>>> (properly working) specific USB device driver, vs the generic one, if
>>> anything?
>>
>> I would think that if a particular device has a unique feature, then
>> its manufacturer would need to provide drivers for all operating
>> systems, not just Win98SE. Otherwise how would Win XP, which uses a
>> one-driver-for-all approach, be able to take advantage of the extra
>> capability?
>
>Well, ok, maybe you're right. (I just don't know enough about it). And
>I don't know how XP handles it since I haven't used XP yet, but thanks for
>that info, which sure seems to make sense.

I don't use XP either, I'm just speculating.

>So I guess in summary we're almost postulating that this one generic USB
>driver for Win98SE could work as effectively for several different USB
>devices as any specific ones that come with the hardware (provided it works
>at all)

I really don't know. I'm just presenting some ideas for discussion.

- Franc Zabkar
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Garry
Cultra here. New to computing put making progress. Did not pick up on what
you said in first message but the penny has droped now and will try it out
some time. Have downloaded the universal driver you suggested I try and it
worked a treat. I can now transfer files from win xp to win 98se computer.
One thing I cannot get on win 98se is the Safety Remove Hardware icon in the
taskbar, so you can remove pen drive safetly without having to close down
computer. Maybe there is a simple answer to this, I think I'm being greedy
now, but this would be the icing on the cake as they say.
Thanks again for your help my friends and computer class Teacher were well
impressed.
Cultra
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>What I see in that RAR file is a whole Setup program for the USB stick. You
>extract the entire mess using WinRAR, to a new folder named PD1-SK6201.
>There will be another folder with the same name nested inside that new
>folder after you're done. Inside that folder is SETUP.EXE. You want to run
>that. Now, whether or not that set of drivers will work for your product I
>don't know. It's up to you to try it out.
>
>> Gary
>> Thank you for your reply.
>[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>> >> googled please help if anyone understands what is wrong
>> >> cultra

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Hi,
Do you still have the file? (PD1-SK6201.RAR)
I try to download it from http://www.valgear.com but the site is not working.
Can you email it to me?

Thank you for your time.

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:50:10 -0500, "glee" <glee29.TakeThisOut@spamindspring.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Sorry for this late reply, and I hope you still are tracking this thread....one
>thing I have run across re: not seeing the "Safely Remove" icon in the tray is that
>you need to have the volume control icon enabled in the tray first.
>Start> Settings> Control Panel> Multimedia, check "Show volume control on the
>taskbar" and click OK.

AFAICT, "Show volume control on the taskbar" modifies a particular bit
in the Services value.

0x0000000e = binary 1101
0x0000000a = binary 1000
^ ^
Volume | |
| Power Management

I suspect it only creates the Services value if it doesn't already
exist.

The last bit appears to reflect the Power Management icon. Are you
using a laptop?

BTW, setting the second to last bit produces no observable change on
my system, ie I have no hotplug icon, and your Rundll trick displays
an empty Hardware Devices window.

AFAICT, these are the relevant files:

HOTPLUG DLL 68,096 10-11-99 4:29p HOTPLUG.DLL
SYSTRAY EXE 27,648 01-07-00 6:02p SYSTRAY.EXE

I've tried both a generic USB flash driver and the one that came with
my stick. (I was always careful to uninstall the current driver before
trying the next one.)

>Then insert a flash drive and see if the icon appears.
>
>Also, see here:
>
><quote>
>A fix for hotplug icon missing from system tray:
>
>After installing the USB update, my USB flash drive was recognized, but no hotplug
>icon appeared in the system tray.
>
>In the registry branch
>HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CV\Applets\SysTray
>
>HotPlugFlags = 0x00000002
>Services = 0x0000000d
>
>The fix was to edit the Services key to 0x0000000f.
>
>It looks like the bits in the Services value specify which icons appear in the
>system tray.
>
>0x0000000d = binary 1101
>0x0000000f = binary 1111
>
>The 2nd last bit probably controls the hotplug icon.
>
>Clicking the hotplug icon activates Hotplug.dll
>
></quote>
>
>(from: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=43605&st=60 about halfway down
>page 5)
>
>This must be done in conjunction with enabling the volume icon.
>
>HTH.

- Franc Zabkar
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Franc,
Sorry for the delay responding. I did not immediately see your reply here, and have
been busy due to the "holiday weekend" here.....which means that while some people
gat a long weekend off, I get to work extra days instead.

The info I posted was a quote from the forum, to which I gave the link. It was not
from info directly off my system. FWIW, my Services value is set to 0x0000000f as I
do have both volume control and power management icons enabled, and no, it is not a
laptop. There are other reasons for enabling the power icon on a desktop computer.
If I turn off the power management icon, the Services value is 0x0000000e and
the Safely Remove icon still appears. I don't have a HotPlugFlags value at all (it
is AFAIK a WinXP value) and I think the poster in the forum may have added it in a
failed attempt to make the icon appear.

I posted the info from the forum in case it might help the OP with their similar
problem, and to provide some locations to look at for experimentation. I have not
had the problem of the "Safely Remove" icon failing to appear on any of the 98SE
systems on which I have installed the "native USB driver" from Maximus Decim, so I
can't investigate it too easily here.

AFA the "Rundll trick", that worked for a poster some time back with his Firewire
device so I thought it was worth a try with the USB flash drive, as they use the
same icon and routine, from the same MS update.

Are you saying that on your system when you have the native driver by Maximus Decim
installed and you insert a flash drive, that you do not see the Safely Remove icon
either?
--
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http://dts-l.org/


"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar.TakeThisOut@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:50:10 -0500, "glee" <glee29.TakeThisOut@spamindspring.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Sorry for this late reply, and I hope you still are tracking this thread....one
>thing I have run across re: not seeing the "Safely Remove" icon in the tray is that
>you need to have the volume control icon enabled in the tray first.
>Start> Settings> Control Panel> Multimedia, check "Show volume control on the
>taskbar" and click OK.

AFAICT, "Show volume control on the taskbar" modifies a particular bit
in the Services value.

0x0000000e = binary 1101
0x0000000a = binary 1000
^ ^
Volume | |
| Power Management

I suspect it only creates the Services value if it doesn't already
exist.

The last bit appears to reflect the Power Management icon. Are you
using a laptop?

BTW, setting the second to last bit produces no observable change on
my system, ie I have no hotplug icon, and your Rundll trick displays
an empty Hardware Devices window.

AFAICT, these are the relevant files:

HOTPLUG DLL 68,096 10-11-99 4:29p HOTPLUG.DLL
SYSTRAY EXE 27,648 01-07-00 6:02p SYSTRAY.EXE

I've tried both a generic USB flash driver and the one that came with
my stick. (I was always careful to uninstall the current driver before
trying the next one.)

>Then insert a flash drive and see if the icon appears.
>
>Also, see here:
>
><quote>
>A fix for hotplug icon missing from system tray:
>
>After installing the USB update, my USB flash drive was recognized, but no hotplug
>icon appeared in the system tray.
>
>In the registry branch
>HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CV\Applets\SysTray
>
>HotPlugFlags = 0x00000002
>Services = 0x0000000d
>
>The fix was to edit the Services key to 0x0000000f.
>
>It looks like the bits in the Services value specify which icons appear in the
>system tray.
>
>0x0000000d = binary 1101
>0x0000000f = binary 1111
>
>The 2nd last bit probably controls the hotplug icon.
>
>Clicking the hotplug icon activates Hotplug.dll
>
></quote>
>
>(from: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=43605&st=60 about halfway down
>page 5)
>
>This must be done in conjunction with enabling the volume icon.
>
>HTH.

- Franc Zabkar
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