driver for flash drive pen

Thank You! I did not like those hoops either.
I notice it is also a newer version there....v.23e as opposed to the one I had at
v.22e
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"Alan Edwards" <edwards.RemoveThis@southcom.com.au> wrote in message
news:jpoqj2h8cd6bpftd3fkpludgo3l8tdbi41@4ax.com...
> FWIW...
> Another site for the same thing is here:
> USB Mass Storage Devices In Windows 98:
> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php
> That site has a much more friendly download shown as
> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb23e.exe
> The rapidshare.de site is a PITA with all the hoops to jump through.
>
> ...Alan
> --
> Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
> http://dts-l.org/index.htm
>
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:04:43 -0400, in
> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "glee"
> <glee29.RemoveThis@spamindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>The so-called "Maximum-Decim native USB driver" for Win98SE that works for me is
>>described here:
>>http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=43605
>>and can be downloaded here:
>>http://rapidshare.de/files/1217842/nusb22e.exe.html
>>
>>Use the Free download link on the right side of the table.

I had a couple of questions related to this:

I wonder if you install this "generic" USB driver, if it will replace the
now current (but minor) annoyance of every time you add a new device of even
the same type, Win98SE insists on installing yet another "USB driver" (as if
it's for a new "serial number", as was mentioned in here before).

AND - if it could obviate ever having to install a new, specific and
dedicated USB driver again, if you add more new devices. Anybody happen
to know? (But I know that it's probably a LOT better to use the driver
that comes with the specific unit, however).

glee wrote:
> Thank You! I did not like those hoops either.
> I notice it is also a newer version there....v.23e as opposed to the one I
> had at v.22e
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
> "Alan Edwards" <edwards.TakeThisOut@southcom.com.au> wrote in message
> news:jpoqj2h8cd6bpftd3fkpludgo3l8tdbi41@4ax.com...
>> FWIW...
>> Another site for the same thing is here:
>> USB Mass Storage Devices In Windows 98:
>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php
>> That site has a much more friendly download shown as
>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb23e.exe
>> The rapidshare.de site is a PITA with all the hoops to jump through.
>>
>> ...Alan
>> --
>> Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
>> http://dts-l.org/index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:04:43 -0400, in
>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "glee"
>> <glee29.TakeThisOut@spamindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The so-called "Maximum-Decim native USB driver" for Win98SE that works
for
>>> me is described here:
>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=43605
>>> and can be downloaded here:
>>> http://rapidshare.de/files/1217842/nusb22e.exe.html
>>>
>>> Use the Free download link on the right side of the table.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%23Q11Qex9GHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I had a couple of questions related to this:
>
> I wonder if you install this "generic" USB driver, if it will replace the
> now current (but minor) annoyance of every time you add a new device of even
> the same type, Win98SE insists on installing yet another "USB driver" (as if
> it's for a new "serial number", as was mentioned in here before).

You mean, if you install Brand X 1GB flash drive and then install another Brand X
1GB flash drive that is exactly the same, it installs the driver twice? I don't
recall something like that and I can't test as I don't have two identical devices.
If they are not identical, then of course there will be a new detection for each new
device.

What I've see which struck me odd, was inserting a Brand X drive into USB port #1,
having it detected, removing it and inserting the same device in USB port #2 and
have it get detected again. Once it was detected in both ports once (this was a 2
port machine), future insertions just picked it up with no fanfare.

I'm not sure I understand what the annoyance is you refer to, Bill.

> AND - if it could obviate ever having to install a new, specific and
> dedicated USB driver again, if you add more new devices. Anybody happen
> to know? (But I know that it's probably a LOT better to use the driver
> that comes with the specific unit, however).

So far, the USB flash drives I have tried all work with the Maximum-Decim driver,
and once the driver is installed on a 98SE system, I have not had to install any
other drivers for new devices......all the flash drives are detected and enumerated
by the Maximum-Decim driver.

I don't know for a fact that the driver that comes with the unit would *necessarily*
be any better, or even as good, just because it comes from the manufacturer. As I
mentioned elsewhere, I have found the Memorex TravelDrive driver to not even install
correctly, let alone work.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


> glee wrote:
>> Thank You! I did not like those hoops either.
>> I notice it is also a newer version there....v.23e as opposed to the one I
>> had at v.22e
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>> "Alan Edwards" <edwards.TakeThisOut@southcom.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:jpoqj2h8cd6bpftd3fkpludgo3l8tdbi41@4ax.com...
>>> FWIW...
>>> Another site for the same thing is here:
>>> USB Mass Storage Devices In Windows 98:
>>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php
>>> That site has a much more friendly download shown as
>>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb23e.exe
>>> The rapidshare.de site is a PITA with all the hoops to jump through.
>>>
>>> ...Alan
>>> --
>>> Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
>>> http://dts-l.org/index.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:04:43 -0400, in
>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "glee"
>>> <glee29.TakeThisOut@spamindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The so-called "Maximum-Decim native USB driver" for Win98SE that works
> for
>>>> me is described here:
>>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=43605
>>>> and can be downloaded here:
>>>> http://rapidshare.de/files/1217842/nusb22e.exe.html
>>>>
>>>> Use the Free download link on the right side of the table.
>
>

glee wrote:
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%23Q11Qex9GHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I had a couple of questions related to this:
>>
>> I wonder if you install this "generic" USB driver, if it will replace the
>> now current (but minor) annoyance of every time you add a new device of
even
>> the same type, Win98SE insists on installing yet another "USB driver" (as
if
>> it's for a new "serial number", as was mentioned in here before).
>
> You mean, if you install Brand X 1GB flash drive and then install another
> Brand X 1GB flash drive that is exactly the same, it installs the driver
twice?

Not exactly. It thinks it's installing a new device driver
(even though the units are identical ; but this is no big surprise to me
now, because, if you recall, Cquirke said as much too, when I brought this
up a few weeks ago.

It's just as though each device (the same model# device) has a unique serial
number assigned to (and within) it, which is apparently interrogated in
Win98SE, when it sets up the driver the first time that that specific unit
is connected to the USB port, thru the new hardware found wizard).

> I don't recall something like that and I can't test as I don't have
> two identical devices.

I actually have several (flash mp3 players), so I've seen it first hand
here. Each identical device went thru that "new hardware found" wizard
screen to initially set up its driver.

And the driver software that came with the flash player (which I only needed
to install once, obviously) also installed a safe USB disconnect (hot plug)
feature, which shows up as an icon on the taskbar at the bottom of the
screen. That icon appears after you plug the USB device in, and is where
you can later click to safely disconnect the device (like when done using it
with the computer, as for transferring files).

The weird thing about this is when I go to hot disconnect the device safely
by clicking on it, there are several identical listings shown there, using
one row for each identical device I had ever connected to the computer.
Pretty silly, but I guess "somewhat" understandable, since it thinks they're
all unique.

> If they are not identical, then of course there will
> be a new detection for each new device.
>
> What I've see which struck me odd, was inserting a Brand X drive into USB
> port #1, having it detected, removing it and inserting the same device in
USB
> port #2 and have it get detected again. Once it was detected in both
ports
> once (this was a 2 port machine), future insertions just picked it up with
no
> fanfare.

That seems somewhat analogous, (and thus not unentirely unexpected), based
on my findings here. It's only during the initial connection to a port
that it does that new hardware found thing (presumably setting up or
configuring its "unique" device driver).

> I'm not sure I understand what the annoyance is you refer to, Bill.

Well, it seems silly that identical devices have to go thru this separate,
initial, "new hardware found" procedure each time, and then finally end up
showing up in a list when I want to hot-disconnect the device (per above).
So, for example, if I ever had connected 10 identical units, I'd get a
silly, 10 row LIST of identical devices to "select from" to safely
disconnect the device (and there really is only one type of device used
here, in essence, not 10). The "list" is a bit annoying - it should just
be ONE item.

>> AND - if it could obviate ever having to install a new, specific and
>> dedicated USB driver again, if you add more new devices. Anybody
happen
>> to know? (But I know that it's probably a LOT better to use the driver
>> that comes with the specific unit, however).
>
> So far, the USB flash drives I have tried all work with the Maximum-Decim
> driver, and once the driver is installed on a 98SE system, I have not had
to
> install any other drivers for new devices......all the flash drives are
> detected and enumerated by the Maximum-Decim driver.
>
> I don't know for a fact that the driver that comes with the unit would
> *necessarily* be any better, or even as good, just because it comes from
the
> manufacturer.

It seems logical to assume so though, wouldn't you think? Especially
since the generic one you're talking about is just that - generic, and not
customized to the specific device.

> As I mentioned elsewhere, I have found the Memorex TravelDrive
> driver to not even install correctly, let alone work.

And THAT seems weird to me!!

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
>> glee wrote:
>>> Thank You! I did not like those hoops either.
>>> I notice it is also a newer version there....v.23e as opposed to the one
I
>>> had at v.22e
>>> --
>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>>> http://dts-l.org/
>>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>>
>>> "Alan Edwards" <edwards DeleteThis @southcom.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:jpoqj2h8cd6bpftd3fkpludgo3l8tdbi41@4ax.com...
>>>> FWIW...
>>>> Another site for the same thing is here:
>>>> USB Mass Storage Devices In Windows 98:
>>>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php
>>>> That site has a much more friendly download shown as
>>>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb23e.exe
>>>> The rapidshare.de site is a PITA with all the hoops to jump through.
>>>>
>>>> ...Alan
>>>> --
>>>> Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
>>>> http://dts-l.org/index.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:04:43 -0400, in
>>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "glee"
>>>> <glee29 DeleteThis @spamindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The so-called "Maximum-Decim native USB driver" for Win98SE that works
>> for
>>>>> me is described here:
>>>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=43605
>>>>> and can be downloaded here:
>>>>> http://rapidshare.de/files/1217842/nusb22e.exe.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Use the Free download link on the right side of the table.

"Galen" <galennews.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23agd$vB9GHA.3740@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| They're going to yell at us for taking a topic and completely derailing
| it... I may be an MVP but that only covers me a wee bit - it doesn't help
| you. *grins* Anyhow, digression is my middle name. Find an MVP with "DTS"
in
| their signature (some hide) and you'll be able to ask them for
confirmation
| if you wish. They should have warned you ahead of time, eh? Anyhow... You
| asked...

Oh, I think I can handle any flack sent my way...

|
| Interspersed as needed - no snipping - size likely huge.
|
Oddly Ubuntu has decided all of my media
| >> files aren't media files and thus will not play them. It works fine
| >> when it is booted to an install partition.
| >
| > Hmm, still a bug or two apparently..
|
| Actually there are no bugs that I've found that have impacted me. I can't
| claim the cycling of VNC or (and I wasn't sure where you were going) the
| problems of Ubuntu were bugs as in the above case it was far too complex
to
| bother bug reporting in either case. It was using a virtual computer to
run
| an operating system on fake hardware that wasn't real in a system that was
| powered by Windows and was using Linux. When I power up an Ubuntu box
| without VNC it works like a champ.

Well, then Ubunta moves up another step on my list,,

|
| My reasons for looking at it are the interface itself... I'd like to
| consider offering it to clients along with CentOS.

Hmm, something else to consider... sounds like time to pole the potentials
to see what they might like..

Right now I can't justify
| the expense but I could dedicate a server and split it up for that -
perhaps
| something for learning on or perhaps a donation to the cause or what not
| but - truly - I'm a Windows fan at heart.
|

As was I, however, recently I seem to have fallen of the MS wagon, or
perhaps the "cure" is working ..

|
| > I own a web hosting company so (yes we offer mostly Linux
| >> hosting options) I do a lot of testing. In all honesty I wouldn't go
| >> back to using *NIX/NUX on a regular basis for regular computing if
| >> you paid me. I can't stand it. I want it to work, I want it to work
| >> well, and I don't want to have to configure it for hours on end just
| >> to get a program to function properly.

Well, that is what Microsoft is supposedly doing for everyone, all their
programming (or are they) but I think its just one more step to a world
where the actual "workings" become lost upon the user..

[cut]
|
| I don't know anything about you nor what you want to accomplish with
Linux.
| I've been eyeballing Solaris a lot... *sigh* I don't know if I have the
| time.
|

Solaris caught my eye as well..., now if I only had the time..

| Anyhow...
|
| RedHat is nice.
| SUSE is wonderous.
| FreeBSD is nice (that's Unix based.)
| Mandriva is fantastic. (Used to be Mandrake.)
| Ubuntu is on my list. (I'm still working with it but so far so good.)
| Knoppix is pointless mostly but works.
|
| Hmm...
|
| Mandriva or Ubuntu seem to me to be the easiest to work with. Grabbing a
| free copy of Virtual PC (and then working like heck to get it installed -
| again that should go off-newsgroup) might get you started. An old PC is
| nice.
|
| Don't let the zealots for any OS fool you. I recommend, hands down,
| Microsoft products because of their ease AND the ability to configure them
| to suit your needs.

Well, that seems to be rapidly changing with the newer OS versions. You may
be able to configure them within the Microsoft "sphere of influence" but
beyond that.. we shall see..

You get freezes on Linux and you get security problems.
| The reality is that security is up to you not the OS vendor and, well,
there
| are learning curves with all of them.

Well, that's always been the case,, your only as secure as you make
yourself,, and DO make the effort to make yourself so..

|
| >> But I digress and this is way off topic. Such is my nature I
| >> suppose...
| >
| > And mine at times.
|
| Err... I will try to not comment too much but frankly I get off topic to
the
| point of absurdity at times.
[cut]
Should we have
| complaints then you can bet that I will certainly admit to my error and
stop
| the chatter in the thread. This being 98 (the ME groups are similar) it
| isn't really as much an issue as it is in some of the other Microsoft
groups
| and some of the other UseNet groups are even more anal about it.
|

Well, we always have to remember this is general discussion.. and
usenet,,, and the history of these things do contain vast spiderwebs of
info, related or not, which brought new ways of thinking out loud (so to
speak) amongst the world..

|
| >> With the topic to hand, the original, I'd not have to worry about
| >> testing the driver though if you really would like I will. 'Tis a
| >> non-issue.
| >
| > Not necessary, your like me I suppose, I have dozens of drivers/fixes
| > and saved info sitting around waiting for potential use. Will I ever
| > need them, who knows...
|
| I don't think it matters so much as having them available to hand when you
| need them AND - this is more important - knowing where and how to find
them
| when you need them. I mentioned above that I've been online a long time
and
| over the years I've collected more pointless and uncategorized trash then
is
| rational. It wasn't until a few years ago that I managed to "perfect" my
| filing system. Unfortunately there are still countless uncategorized files
| that need to get files. Need a job?

You must be joking,, I just managed to get some of my old Fido Net 5 1/4
disks saved info on cdrom last winter.. that still leaves all the 2d disks..
then I have to wonder if any of that is still worth the time.. some real
kernels of info (and files), but the relevance to today?? ...

|
|
| > (My reply email address works well enough if you want to
| >> take it off-list. I'm not scared, I use a real reply-to address.
| >> Err... Either that or I'm retarded. I get a lot of SPAM filters eat
| >> the vast majority though.)
| >
| > Well, you wouldn't have to fear me for sure.. I've closed several
| > email addresses do to the "junk", so I would never "junk" others.
|
|
| why... Maybe they think I know stuff? Really? I've just broken everything
so
| many times that I've learned to fix some of it or how to troubleshoot
| problems. I've enough credits to have (I am always going to be in school -
| even at 33)

Gees, a young one, er relatively anyway..

declared a major a number of times but a Liberal Arts degree
| will mean nothing more than what I have already. I have some
certifications
| but - honestly? Those are just rote memory in my opinion and passing them
| wasn't a matter of knowing or doing but rather just learning the answers.
|

Such is how we place them, not so gently into memory.. my problem is the
mold and mildew growing among them..

|
|
[cut]
|
| I noticed a bug that I will report tomorrow when I repeat it. If I repeat
| it. I actually got floppy disk thrashing going on during boot with a
second
| virtual machine running. As there was no disk in the drive, the virtual
| machine already set to boot to the HDD and OS installed, I can't explain
it.

Ah ha, the elusive potential bug, scurrying back under the refrig when the
light comes on..

|
| The archives are, frankly, one of the greatest sources of wealth on the
| planet. They're wealth is in the knowledge. The difficulty is in getting
the
| golden egg from the goose in that finding specifics from the archives is
| difficult at best and a religion akin to the black arts at worst. Prior to
| searching - even with years of practice - it helps if one burns a few
black
| candles, sacrifices a chicken, and prays to the gods of UseNet. If you
want
| specific information then for every quote plan on three additional
candles.
| If you want it specific to your OS plan on sacrificing at least one
| additional chicken. If you want it to be correct information then,
honestly,
| a first born is probably in your best interest.
|
| Too long and murky to spell check so you get what you get...

Well, perhaps that might be the answer... more sacrifices..

But no time, elections coming soon [America], and I live in one of the more
corrupt states,, so time to get busy with something that really matters (or
does it) rally the troops, so to speak,.. more prosecutions,, more
investigations..


|
| --
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| http://dts-l.org/
| http://kgiii.info/
|
| "At present I am, as you know, fairly busy, but I propose to devote my
| declining years to the composition of a textbook which shall focus the
| whole art of detection into one volume." - Sherlock Holmes
|
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:53:17 -0600, "Bill in Co."
<not_really_here RemoveThis @earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>I had a couple of questions related to this:
>
>I wonder if you install this "generic" USB driver, if it will replace the
>now current (but minor) annoyance of every time you add a new device of even
>the same type, Win98SE insists on installing yet another "USB driver" (as if
>it's for a new "serial number", as was mentioned in here before).
>
>AND - if it could obviate ever having to install a new, specific and
>dedicated USB driver again, if you add more new devices. Anybody happen
>to know? (But I know that it's probably a LOT better to use the driver
>that comes with the specific unit, however).

Some time ago I attempted to analyse what it was about a particular
generic driver that made it generic. AFAICT, the generic INF file
appeared to detect storage devices based on their Class and Subclass
attributes rather than their Vendor and Product IDs.

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/m...8c10df4

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