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Buffalo

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Since: Jan 07, 2007
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:57 am
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Buffalo wrote:
> I reckon that if you are just using Win98se and not any other OS on
> your PC, you should remove one of the 1 GB sticks, set the value
> MaxFileCache=512000 under 386Enh and be done with it.

ERROR.
I meant to say put the value MaxFileCache=51200 under the [vcache] header in
System.ini, and NOT under the [386Enh] header.
When you use the above setting, it still lets Win98SE use all of the 1GB of
physical ram for programs, it just limits the amt of memory that 98 can use
for 'addressing' or something like that.

BTW, what value did you add to the System.ini file under the [386Enh]
header?
Was it a MaxPhysPage=? setting? If so, you can remove that line when you
remove the 1GB ram stick.
A MaxPhysPage setting of 60000 limits the amt of physical ram that Win98SE
can access to 1.5GB (some 98 systems will work with that much, but not many)
while a setting of 40000 limits the amt of physical ram to 1GB. If you set
that value to below 40000, then you are limiting Win98SE to use even less
than 1GB of physical memory.
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Buffalo

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:59 am
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Sandy wrote:
> Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!
>
> No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try
> taking out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that
> first if there was no other way but was reluctant to do so since
> they're hellish difficult to get back in on an MSI.
>
> Sandy.


Buffalo wrote:
> I reckon that if you are just using Win98se and not any other OS on
> your PC, you should remove one of the 1 GB sticks, set the value
> MaxFileCache=512000 under 386Enh and be done with it.

ERROR.
I meant to say put the value MaxFileCache=51200 under the [vcache] header in
System.ini, and NOT under the [386Enh] header.
When you use the above setting, it still lets Win98SE use all of the 1GB of
physical ram for programs, it just limits the amt of memory that 98 can use
for 'addressing' or something like that.

BTW, what value did you add to the System.ini file under the [386Enh]
header?
Was it a MaxPhysPage=? setting? If so, you can remove that line when you
remove the 1GB ram stick.
A MaxPhysPage setting of 60000 limits the amt of physical ram that Win98SE
can access to 1.5GB (some 98 systems will work with that much, but not many)
while a setting of 40000 limits the amt of physical ram to 1GB. If you set
that value to below 40000, then you are limiting Win98SE to use even less
than 1GB of physical memory.





> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
>> Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Sandy" <Sandy.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:81238EE5-C7F0-4490-8DDB-14685C9AD46C@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi again Guys!
>>>
>>> Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB
>>> RAM modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at
>>> anything over 1GB
>>> and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the
>>> System.ini file
>>> as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally.
>>> However, if I
>>> wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
>>> presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
>>> enough
>>> memory to initialize windows".
>>>
>>> Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
>>> functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something
>>> goes wrong
>>> is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Sandy.
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Sandy

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:59 am
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Noted!

Yes I used the "MaxPhysPage=40000" entry as per the MS KB article. I'll let
you all know how I get on by & by... I'm away for a week so watch this space
when I come back!

All the best,

Sandy

"Buffalo" wrote:

>
>
> Sandy wrote:
> > Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!
> >
> > No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try
> > taking out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that
> > first if there was no other way but was reluctant to do so since
> > they're hellish difficult to get back in on an MSI.
> >
> > Sandy.
>
>
> Buffalo wrote:
> > I reckon that if you are just using Win98se and not any other OS on
> > your PC, you should remove one of the 1 GB sticks, set the value
> > MaxFileCache=512000 under 386Enh and be done with it.
>
> ERROR.
> I meant to say put the value MaxFileCache=51200 under the [vcache] header in
> System.ini, and NOT under the [386Enh] header.
> When you use the above setting, it still lets Win98SE use all of the 1GB of
> physical ram for programs, it just limits the amt of memory that 98 can use
> for 'addressing' or something like that.
>
> BTW, what value did you add to the System.ini file under the [386Enh]
> header?
> Was it a MaxPhysPage=? setting? If so, you can remove that line when you
> remove the 1GB ram stick.
> A MaxPhysPage setting of 60000 limits the amt of physical ram that Win98SE
> can access to 1.5GB (some 98 systems will work with that much, but not many)
> while a setting of 40000 limits the amt of physical ram to 1GB. If you set
> that value to below 40000, then you are limiting Win98SE to use even less
> than 1GB of physical memory.
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> >
> >> Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> http://grystmill.com
> >>
> >> "Sandy" <Sandy.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:81238EE5-C7F0-4490-8DDB-14685C9AD46C@microsoft.com...
> >>> Hi again Guys!
> >>>
> >>> Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB
> >>> RAM modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at
> >>> anything over 1GB
> >>> and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the
> >>> System.ini file
> >>> as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally.
> >>> However, if I
> >>> wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
> >>> presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
> >>> enough
> >>> memory to initialize windows".
> >>>
> >>> Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
> >>> functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something
> >>> goes wrong
> >>> is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Sandy.
>
>
>
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Buffalo

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Since: Jan 07, 2007
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Sandy wrote:
> Noted!
>
> Yes I used the "MaxPhysPage=40000" entry as per the MS KB article.
> I'll let you all know how I get on by & by... I'm away for a week so
> watch this space when I come back!
>
> All the best,
>
> Sandy
>
Be sure you put the value MaxFileCache=512000 under the [vcache] header
in System.ini regardless of the way you limit your physical ram ( ie:
removing 1 stick or ram or using the MaxPhyspage= setting).
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Gary S. Terhune

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Since: Mar 22, 2007
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I,
personally, ran a multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with no
problems, including getting into Safe Mode, but it doesn't surprise me that
others have problems.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Sandy" <Sandy RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CFE919C1-7741-4FD5-9097-64B7A0B59244@microsoft.com...
> Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!
>
> No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try taking
> out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if
> there
> was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish
> difficult
> to get back in on an MSI.
>
> Sandy.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
>> Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://grystmill.com
>>
>> "Sandy" <Sandy RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:81238EE5-C7F0-4490-8DDB-14685C9AD46C@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi again Guys!
>> >
>> > Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM
>> > modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over
>> > 1GB
>> > and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini
>> > file
>> > as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However,
>> > if
>> > I
>> > wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
>> > presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
>> > enough
>> > memory to initialize windows".
>> >
>> > Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
>> > functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes
>> > wrong
>> > is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Sandy.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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glee1

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I asked Sandy the same thing in the AumHa forums, where she/he asked the same
question:
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34871


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:edQD7uo7IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I, personally, ran a
>multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with no problems, including getting
>into Safe Mode, but it doesn't surprise me that others have problems.
>
>
> "Sandy" <Sandy RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CFE919C1-7741-4FD5-9097-64B7A0B59244@microsoft.com...
>> Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!
>>
>> No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try taking
>> out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if there
>> was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish difficult
>> to get back in on an MSI.
>>
>> Sandy.
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?
>>>

>>> "Sandy" <Sandy RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:81238EE5-C7F0-4490-8DDB-14685C9AD46C@microsoft.com...
>>> > Hi again Guys!
>>> >
>>> > Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM
>>> > modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over
>>> > 1GB
>>> > and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini
>>> > file
>>> > as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However, if
>>> > I
>>> > wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
>>> > presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
>>> > enough
>>> > memory to initialize windows".
>>> >
>>> > Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
>>> > functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes
>>> > wrong
>>> > is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Sandy.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
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Gary S. Terhune

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I keep thinking there should be some way to limit the amount of RAM seen
other than by the use of [386Enh]. I also wondered why I didn't have any
trouble in Safe Mode, and all I can think is that I'd clocked it down as
much as possible because it was otherwise unstable even in WinXP. I was
doing mostly still-photo editing using Photoshop, and working with rather
large images at times (2GB+) and so I didn't care about speed, really, but I
maxed out the amount of RAM for that board.

My new "main machine" (well, it's a year and a half old, now) won't run 9x
no how no way, and I no longer have a test machine with modern capacities
(best one is an HP 5735), though I expect to inherit a couple of machines
from the right era (2002, 2003), soon. I can only hope that the hardware
issues, whatever they are, can be fixed or gotten round. One is my Dad's and
one is my brother's. I got the calls within days of each other. Brother's
machine was rather easy to initially diagnose -- it goes into repetitive
reboot mode just running the installation CD. Never did that before, so....

I think Dad's is simply an overheating video card, but he sounds in the mood
for a new machine, so....

It would be nice to have my test machine able to run anything from DOS to
Vista (fingers crossed), and I'd rather not have more than one extra machine
in my cockpit. It's already quite crowded.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"glee" <glee29 DeleteThis @spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:OssexZs7IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I asked Sandy the same thing in the AumHa forums, where she/he asked the
>same question:
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34871
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:edQD7uo7IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I,
>>personally, ran a multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with no
>>problems, including getting into Safe Mode, but it doesn't surprise me
>>that others have problems.
>>
>>
>> "Sandy" <Sandy DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:CFE919C1-7741-4FD5-9097-64B7A0B59244@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!
>>>
>>> No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try
>>> taking
>>> out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if
>>> there
>>> was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish
>>> difficult
>>> to get back in on an MSI.
>>>
>>> Sandy.
>>>
>>> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?
>>>>
>
>>>> "Sandy" <Sandy DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:81238EE5-C7F0-4490-8DDB-14685C9AD46C@microsoft.com...
>>>> > Hi again Guys!
>>>> >
>>>> > Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB
>>>> > RAM
>>>> > modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything
>>>> > over
>>>> > 1GB
>>>> > and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the
>>>> > System.ini
>>>> > file
>>>> > as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally.
>>>> > However, if
>>>> > I
>>>> > wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
>>>> > presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
>>>> > enough
>>>> > memory to initialize windows".
>>>> >
>>>> > Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
>>>> > functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something
>>>> > goes
>>>> > wrong
>>>> > is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> > Sandy.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
> http://dts-l.net/
> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>
>
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:10 am
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