(Msg. 17) Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:27 am
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>win98>gen_discussion (more info?)
Hi Gary, Glee & Buffalo,
I'm back! and just to say I'm sorted thanks to you guys. I took out a stick
of RAM, reset the MaxFileCache and have to say I've got a more stable machine
that will boot into Safe Mode. Interesting to see the discussion that
followed while I've been away! Once again I'm indebted to you chaps, you do
a marvellous job. By the way, I'm a He in Mid Wales (for future reference).
As Glee spotted my catch-all approach, I'll go to the other forum now & sign
myself off.
Thanks and all the best,
Sandy
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> I keep thinking there should be some way to limit the amount of RAM seen
> other than by the use of [386Enh]. I also wondered why I didn't have any
> trouble in Safe Mode, and all I can think is that I'd clocked it down as
> much as possible because it was otherwise unstable even in WinXP. I was
> doing mostly still-photo editing using Photoshop, and working with rather
> large images at times (2GB+) and so I didn't care about speed, really, but I
> maxed out the amount of RAM for that board.
>
> My new "main machine" (well, it's a year and a half old, now) won't run 9x
> no how no way, and I no longer have a test machine with modern capacities
> (best one is an HP 5735), though I expect to inherit a couple of machines
> from the right era (2002, 2003), soon. I can only hope that the hardware
> issues, whatever they are, can be fixed or gotten round. One is my Dad's and
> one is my brother's. I got the calls within days of each other. Brother's
> machine was rather easy to initially diagnose -- it goes into repetitive
> reboot mode just running the installation CD. Never did that before, so....
>
> I think Dad's is simply an overheating video card, but he sounds in the mood
> for a new machine, so....
>
> It would be nice to have my test machine able to run anything from DOS to
> Vista (fingers crossed), and I'd rather not have more than one extra machine
> in my cockpit. It's already quite crowded.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com >
> "glee" <glee29.TakeThisOut@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:OssexZs7IHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >I asked Sandy the same thing in the AumHa forums, where she/he asked the
> >same question:
> > http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34871 > >
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> > news:edQD7uo7IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I,
> >>personally, ran a multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with no
> >>problems, including getting into Safe Mode, but it doesn't surprise me
> >>that others have problems.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Sandy" <Sandy.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:CFE919C1-7741-4FD5-9097-64B7A0B59244@microsoft.com...
> >>> Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!
> >>>
> >>> No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try
> >>> taking
> >>> out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if
> >>> there
> >>> was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish
> >>> difficult
> >>> to get back in on an MSI.
> >>>
> >>> Sandy.
> >>>
> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> "Sandy" <Sandy.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:81238EE5-C7F0-4490-8DDB-14685C9AD46C@microsoft.com...
> >>>> > Hi again Guys!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB
> >>>> > RAM
> >>>> > modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything
> >>>> > over
> >>>> > 1GB
> >>>> > and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the
> >>>> > System.ini
> >>>> > file
> >>>> > as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally.
> >>>> > However, if
> >>>> > I
> >>>> > wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
> >>>> > presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
> >>>> > enough
> >>>> > memory to initialize windows".
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
> >>>> > functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something
> >>>> > goes
> >>>> > wrong
> >>>> > is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Cheers,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Sandy.
> > --
> > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
> > http://dts-l.net/ > > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > >
> >
>
>
>
(Msg. 18) Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:32 am
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Sandy wrote:
> Hi Gary, Glee & Buffalo,
>
> I'm back! and just to say I'm sorted thanks to you guys. I took out
> a stick of RAM, reset the MaxFileCache and have to say I've got a
> more stable machine that will boot into Safe Mode. Interesting to
> see the discussion that followed while I've been away! Once again
> I'm indebted to you chaps, you do a marvellous job. By the way, I'm
> a He in Mid Wales (for future reference). As Glee spotted my
> catch-all approach, I'll go to the other forum now & sign myself off.
>
> Thanks and all the best,
>
> Sandy
>
Thanks for posting back with what you did.
Enjoy.
(Msg. 19) Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:51 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Ok I'm getting the same error \iosubsys subdirectory is corrupt, or the
system is low on memory. I understand I need to adding a "maxfilecache" line
to the vcache section of System.ini. But How do I add the information at the
c: prompt?
ols
"glee" wrote:
> I asked Sandy the same thing in the AumHa forums, where she/he asked the same
> question:
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34871 >
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:edQD7uo7IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I, personally, ran a
> >multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with no problems, including getting
> >into Safe Mode, but it doesn't surprise me that others have problems.
> >
> >
> > "Sandy" <Sandy RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:CFE919C1-7741-4FD5-9097-64B7A0B59244@microsoft.com...
> >> Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!
> >>
> >> No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll try taking
> >> out a module to see if that's enough. I would have done that first if there
> >> was no other way but was reluctant to do so since they're hellish difficult
> >> to get back in on an MSI.
> >>
> >> Sandy.
> >>
> >> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just speculating?
> >>>
>
> >>> "Sandy" <Sandy RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:81238EE5-C7F0-4490-8DDB-14685C9AD46C@microsoft.com...
> >>> > Hi again Guys!
> >>> >
> >>> > Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have 2x1 GB RAM
> >>> > modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98 grunts at anything over
> >>> > 1GB
> >>> > and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the System.ini
> >>> > file
> >>> > as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally. However, if
> >>> > I
> >>> > wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup files,
> >>> > presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed resulting in "not
> >>> > enough
> >>> > memory to initialize windows".
> >>> >
> >>> > Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important bit of
> >>> > functionality? The only other alternative as I see it if something goes
> >>> > wrong
> >>> > is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.
> >>> >
> >>> > Cheers,
> >>> >
> >>> > Sandy.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
> http://dts-l.net/ > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm >
>
>
(Msg. 20) Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
ols wrote:
| Ok I'm getting the same error \iosubsys subdirectory is corrupt, or
| the system is low on memory. I understand I need to adding a
| "maxfilecache" line to the vcache section of System.ini. But How do I
| add the information at the c: prompt?
(1) "START button, Run, MSConfig, System.ini tab, [vcache] section".
Don't just open the section; click it to highlight.
(2) Click the "New" button
(3) Type in: "MaxFileCache=524288"
(4) Click "Apply" and "OK".
(5) Reboot, IF that much (512 KB) is already available.
OTHERWISE, just shut down & add the RAM
JUST, don't exceed usable RAM, as seen at "START, Run, MSInfo32"...
376MB RAM, it says for me, because Video has grabbed away 8 MB.
| ols
|
|
| "glee" wrote:
|
|> I asked Sandy the same thing in the AumHa forums, where she/he asked
|> the same question:
|> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34871 |>
|>
|> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> news:edQD7uo7IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> >I only asked because of the way you phrased your initial post. I,
|> >personally, ran a multi-boot machine with 2GB of RAM and Win98 with
|> >no problems, including getting into Safe Mode, but it doesn't
|> >surprise me that others have problems.
|> >
|> >
|> > "Sandy" <Sandy.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
|> > news:CFE919C1-7741-4FD5-9097-64B7A0B59244@microsoft.com...
|> >> Hi again Gary, Letterman & Buffalo!
|> >>
|> >> No speculation, it's a fact! Thanks to the other guys... I'll
|> >> try taking out a module to see if that's enough. I would have
|> >> done that first if there was no other way but was reluctant to do
|> >> so since they're hellish difficult to get back in on an MSI.
|> >>
|> >> Sandy.
|> >>
|> >> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
|> >>
|> >>> Have you tried booting into Safe Mode, or are you just
|> >>> speculating?
|> >>>
|>
|> >>> "Sandy" <Sandy.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
|> >>> news:81238EE5-C7F0-4490-8DDB-14685C9AD46C@microsoft.com...
|> >>> > Hi again Guys!
|> >>> >
|> >>> > Since my last post I've upgraded my mobo to an MSI and have
|> >>> > 2x1 GB RAM modules installed. I quickly learned that Win98
|> >>> > grunts at anything over 1GB
|> >>> > and ideally likes 512MB. However making an adjustment to the
|> >>> > System.ini file
|> >>> > as per MS KB article there's no problem with booting normally.
|> >>> > However, if I
|> >>> > wanted/had to boot into Safe Mode, then of course the startup
|> >>> > files, presumably including the system.ini, are by-passed
|> >>> > resulting in "not enough
|> >>> > memory to initialize windows".
|> >>> >
|> >>> > Is there a work-around to this or have I lost this important
|> >>> > bit of functionality? The only other alternative as I see it
|> >>> > if something goes wrong
|> >>> > is to then rely on Scanreg /restore.
|> >>> >
|> >>> > Cheers,
|> >>> >
|> >>> > Sandy.
|> --
|> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
|> http://dts-l.net/ |> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp.TakeThisOut@netzero.net
(Msg. 21) Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't boot into Safe Mode [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
ols wrote:
> Ok I'm getting the same error \iosubsys subdirectory is corrupt, or
> the system is low on memory. I understand I need to adding a
> "maxfilecache" line to the vcache section of System.ini. But How do I
> add the information at the c: prompt?
> ols
>
Use the command edit system.ini and make the changes and save.
Then reboot.
This is what it says in the second link that PCR posted in his reply to your
inquiry. But that link shows you how to limit the physical ram, but if you
want to use the MaxFileCache=512000 entry, you have to add it under the [386
Enh] header.
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