(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:34 pm
Post subject: Wireless Access Windows 98SE Archived from groups: microsoft>public>win98>gen_discussion (more info?)
I'm trying to interconnect my desktop machine which is wired to a D-Link
G604T Wireless Modem / Router, and a D-Link DWL-G630 Wireless CardBus Adapter
in my Windows 98SE Tecra 8000 Laptop. The Tecra is unlikely to be able to
support Win 2000, or better.
The Tecra has successfully installed the card and can 'see' the network, but
won't communicate (e-mail and IE) with the modem / router.
The same card in another laptop equipped with XP worked fine after
relatively straightforward setup, with WPA enabled.
I can only get the Tecra to work with WEP enabled, and then it works fine.
However, that means everything has to be WEP (rather than WPA). There is
nothing in the Card's manual regarding whether WPA works with Win 98SE.
I have a sneaking suspicion that, although the card is compatible with Win
98, Win 98 doesn't support WPA. The WEP appears to support a hex key and
that's what I'm using in both machines.
Can you confirm that?
Alternatively, is there a way I can use WPA with Win 98?
If I'm stuck on WEP, what degree of security am I missing out on?
(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:45 am
Post subject: Re: Wireless Access Windows 98SE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Not personally familiar with the device, from the site:
"* Maximum wireless signal rate derived from IEEE Standard 802.11g
specifications. Actual data throughput will vary. Network conditions and
environmental factors, including volume of network traffic, building
materials and construction, and network overhead, lower actual data
throughput rate. Environmental factors will adversely affect wireless signal
range.
** WPA and 802.1x requires use of the Windows® XP Zero Configuration
Utility."
"A Team" <A Team.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| I'm trying to interconnect my desktop machine which is wired to a D-Link
| G604T Wireless Modem / Router, and a D-Link DWL-G630 Wireless CardBus
Adapter
| in my Windows 98SE Tecra 8000 Laptop. The Tecra is unlikely to be able to
| support Win 2000, or better.
|
| The Tecra has successfully installed the card and can 'see' the network,
but
| won't communicate (e-mail and IE) with the modem / router.
|
| The same card in another laptop equipped with XP worked fine after
| relatively straightforward setup, with WPA enabled.
|
| I can only get the Tecra to work with WEP enabled, and then it works fine.
| However, that means everything has to be WEP (rather than WPA). There is
| nothing in the Card's manual regarding whether WPA works with Win 98SE.
|
| I have a sneaking suspicion that, although the card is compatible with Win
| 98, Win 98 doesn't support WPA. The WEP appears to support a hex key and
| that's what I'm using in both machines.
|
| Can you confirm that?
| Alternatively, is there a way I can use WPA with Win 98?
| If I'm stuck on WEP, what degree of security am I missing out on?
(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:17 am
Post subject: Re: Wireless Access Windows 98SE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:34:01 -0700, A Team <A
Team.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>I'm trying to interconnect my desktop machine which is wired to a D-Link
>G604T Wireless Modem / Router, and a D-Link DWL-G630 Wireless CardBus Adapter
>in my Windows 98SE Tecra 8000 Laptop. The Tecra is unlikely to be able to
>support Win 2000, or better.
>
>The Tecra has successfully installed the card and can 'see' the network, but
>won't communicate (e-mail and IE) with the modem / router.
>
>The same card in another laptop equipped with XP worked fine after
>relatively straightforward setup, with WPA enabled.
>
>I can only get the Tecra to work with WEP enabled, and then it works fine.
>However, that means everything has to be WEP (rather than WPA). There is
>nothing in the Card's manual regarding whether WPA works with Win 98SE.
>
>I have a sneaking suspicion that, although the card is compatible with Win
>98, Win 98 doesn't support WPA. The WEP appears to support a hex key and
>that's what I'm using in both machines.
>
>Can you confirm that?
>Alternatively, is there a way I can use WPA with Win 98?
>If I'm stuck on WEP, what degree of security am I missing out on?
I don't have any answers, only some general questions directed to
anyone who understands the technology.
Is encryption handled at the hardware level by the wireless card or by
a software driver or network protocol or application? I notice that
the configuration application for the wireless card has a checkbox for
data encryption, but this sets up WEP only. There is no other
encryption option.
Is WPA/WPA-2 handled at the OS level, and if so, does this mean that
Win98SE cannot support this feature, or can it be provided by the
card's driver?
My reading of Wikipedia's WPA/WPA-2 article suggests that these
encryption standards can be retrofitted to older hardware via firmware
upgrades. Does this apply only to wireless routers or can cards be
upgraded as well? Are cards in fact upgradable at all, or are they
like winmodems in that their functions are handled mostly by host
software?
- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:17 am
Post subject: Re: Wireless Access Windows 98SE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Could have a lengthy discussion I suppose, but how about a link that might
help spark the discussion first:
http://www.circuitcellar.com/ - CIRCUIT CELLAR By Engineers, For Engineers
Caution - lots of scripts and code on this site. Dang, I hate these types
of sites. Good magazine though... try the archives ...
"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar.DeleteThis@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:34:01 -0700, A Team <A
| Team.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >I'm trying to interconnect my desktop machine which is wired to a D-Link
| >G604T Wireless Modem / Router, and a D-Link DWL-G630 Wireless CardBus
Adapter
| >in my Windows 98SE Tecra 8000 Laptop. The Tecra is unlikely to be able to
| >support Win 2000, or better.
| >
| >The Tecra has successfully installed the card and can 'see' the network,
but
| >won't communicate (e-mail and IE) with the modem / router.
| >
| >The same card in another laptop equipped with XP worked fine after
| >relatively straightforward setup, with WPA enabled.
| >
| >I can only get the Tecra to work with WEP enabled, and then it works
fine.
| >However, that means everything has to be WEP (rather than WPA). There is
| >nothing in the Card's manual regarding whether WPA works with Win 98SE.
| >
| >I have a sneaking suspicion that, although the card is compatible with
Win
| >98, Win 98 doesn't support WPA. The WEP appears to support a hex key and
| >that's what I'm using in both machines.
| >
| >Can you confirm that?
| >Alternatively, is there a way I can use WPA with Win 98?
| >If I'm stuck on WEP, what degree of security am I missing out on?
|
| I don't have any answers, only some general questions directed to
| anyone who understands the technology.
|
| Is encryption handled at the hardware level by the wireless card or by
| a software driver or network protocol or application? I notice that
| the configuration application for the wireless card has a checkbox for
| data encryption, but this sets up WEP only. There is no other
| encryption option.
|
| Is WPA/WPA-2 handled at the OS level, and if so, does this mean that
| Win98SE cannot support this feature, or can it be provided by the
| card's driver?
|
| My reading of Wikipedia's WPA/WPA-2 article suggests that these
| encryption standards can be retrofitted to older hardware via firmware
| upgrades. Does this apply only to wireless routers or can cards be
| upgraded as well? Are cards in fact upgradable at all, or are they
| like winmodems in that their functions are handled mostly by host
| software?
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Wireless Access Windows 98SE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
The prior link's intent was to direct to the usual "Well, it depends".
Interspersed in the articles and downloads, are codings, discussions of
programmable chips, USB device creation, embedded OSs, and other.
Depending upon the USB device, its chip(s) and their programmability [chip
specific or if programmable, whether the programming connections had been
"cut" or not, any "memory", etc.], and the correct programming software, it
MIGHT be possible to change the USB chip hard code to something that
provides that support. It would appear though, that potentially may not be
enough, particularly IF the USB device was intended for use elsewhere [like
in XP or VISTA, where the Zero Configuration tool might be used], or still
required its interface software to provide other functions.
"MEB" <meb@not here.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| Could have a lengthy discussion I suppose, but how about a link that
might
| help spark the discussion first:
|
| http://www.circuitcellar.com/ - CIRCUIT CELLAR By Engineers, For Engineers
| Caution - lots of scripts and code on this site. Dang, I hate these types
| of sites. Good magazine though... try the archives ...
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | --
| _________
|
| "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar.DeleteThis@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
| news:8f3164pmqdaqkonlfmr9lgmp5h24o6o9te@4ax.com...
| | On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:34:01 -0700, A Team <A
| | Team.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:
| |
| | >I'm trying to interconnect my desktop machine which is wired to a
D-Link
| | >G604T Wireless Modem / Router, and a D-Link DWL-G630 Wireless CardBus
| Adapter
| | >in my Windows 98SE Tecra 8000 Laptop. The Tecra is unlikely to be able
to
| | >support Win 2000, or better.
| | >
| | >The Tecra has successfully installed the card and can 'see' the
network,
| but
| | >won't communicate (e-mail and IE) with the modem / router.
| | >
| | >The same card in another laptop equipped with XP worked fine after
| | >relatively straightforward setup, with WPA enabled.
| | >
| | >I can only get the Tecra to work with WEP enabled, and then it works
| fine.
| | >However, that means everything has to be WEP (rather than WPA). There
is
| | >nothing in the Card's manual regarding whether WPA works with Win 98SE.
| | >
| | >I have a sneaking suspicion that, although the card is compatible with
| Win
| | >98, Win 98 doesn't support WPA. The WEP appears to support a hex key
and
| | >that's what I'm using in both machines.
| | >
| | >Can you confirm that?
| | >Alternatively, is there a way I can use WPA with Win 98?
| | >If I'm stuck on WEP, what degree of security am I missing out on?
| |
| | I don't have any answers, only some general questions directed to
| | anyone who understands the technology.
| |
| | Is encryption handled at the hardware level by the wireless card or by
| | a software driver or network protocol or application? I notice that
| | the configuration application for the wireless card has a checkbox for
| | data encryption, but this sets up WEP only. There is no other
| | encryption option.
| |
| | Is WPA/WPA-2 handled at the OS level, and if so, does this mean that
| | Win98SE cannot support this feature, or can it be provided by the
| | card's driver?
| |
| | My reading of Wikipedia's WPA/WPA-2 article suggests that these
| | encryption standards can be retrofitted to older hardware via firmware
| | upgrades. Does this apply only to wireless routers or can cards be
| | upgraded as well? Are cards in fact upgradable at all, or are they
| | like winmodems in that their functions are handled mostly by host
| | software?
| |
| | - Franc Zabkar
| | --
| | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
|
|
(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:21 am
Post subject: Re: Wireless Access Windows 98SE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:35:10 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> Could have a lengthy discussion I suppose, but how about a link that might
>help spark the discussion first:
>
>http://www.circuitcellar.com/ - CIRCUIT CELLAR By Engineers, For Engineers
> Caution - lots of scripts and code on this site. Dang, I hate these types
>of sites. Good magazine though... try the archives ...
>
>--
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
Sorry, I didn't find anything there. Anyway, the reason I asked those
questions was that the answers may determine whether it is in fact
possible for the OP to do what he/she wants. If not, then I would
think that wireless networking via Win98, being limited to WEP, would
be inadvisable from a security point of view.
Having said that, I suspect that there are huge numbers of unprotected
wireless networks in domestic use. A friend recently asked me to
determine why it was that she was no longer able to connect to the
Internet via her hard-wired Win98SE box and her wireless laptop at the
same time, after her ISP had upgraded her from ADSL to ADSL+ (by
upgrading the DSLAM). The solution was to enable NAT in her router (ie
the ADSL+ upgrade was not the cause of her problem), which then begged
the question, if NAT had previously been disabled, then how had she
achieved simultaneous Internet access? The answer appears to be that
her laptop had unknowingly been accessing the Internet via a
neighbour's insecure wireless network.
- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:21 am
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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar RemoveThis @iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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| On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:35:10 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >
| > Could have a lengthy discussion I suppose, but how about a link that
might
| >help spark the discussion first:
| >
| >http://www.circuitcellar.com/ - CIRCUIT CELLAR By Engineers, For
Engineers
| > Caution - lots of scripts and code on this site. Dang, I hate these
types
| >of sites. Good magazine though... try the archives ...
| >
| >--
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com |
| Sorry, I didn't find anything there. Anyway, the reason I asked those
| questions was that the answers may determine whether it is in fact
| possible for the OP to do what he/she wants. If not, then I would
| think that wireless networking via Win98, being limited to WEP, would
| be inadvisable from a security point of view.
Right, I got the tenor of your original post. The answer is hardware/chip
or chipset support. The encryption and other can, could, and should be
handled within the USB wireless device.
WEP would indeed be a limited security to use but anything beyond a few
hundred feet away wouldn't be able to affect the network very much. The
range of the devices is not that great. Stacked apartment dwellers and
closely placed housing units are likely the most vulnerable.
Security, in general, is based upon deterance. Determined indivduals will
break into almost any security if given the chance. Living/networking in
cities increases the need for more security in general and secure access
points, obviously.
|
| Having said that, I suspect that there are huge numbers of unprotected
| wireless networks in domestic use. A friend recently asked me to
| determine why it was that she was no longer able to connect to the
| Internet via her hard-wired Win98SE box and her wireless laptop at the
| same time, after her ISP had upgraded her from ADSL to ADSL+ (by
| upgrading the DSLAM). The solution was to enable NAT in her router (ie
| the ADSL+ upgrade was not the cause of her problem), which then begged
| the question, if NAT had previously been disabled, then how had she
| achieved simultaneous Internet access? The answer appears to be that
| her laptop had unknowingly been accessing the Internet via a
| neighbour's insecure wireless network.
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
The number of unprotected and under-protected wireless networks would be
astounding, I'm sure.
Most people never change the default passwords or use simple to guess
passwords, and know little beyond what was needed to install the wireless
units.
Moreover, many never even use WEP in their networks, they are wide open
[such as in the network you mentioned]; and when enabled, never make or
change WEP Keys.
The 802.11i standard [WPA2} can and is implemented via hardware.
WPA/WPA-PSK came with updates to XPSP1 {Update 815485} and is/was part of
802.11b [a supplement]. Early vendors included support in their own software
[supplicant support] and hardware for 9X [generally only SE], now, its
difficult to find.
Older 802.11b products may or may not be upgradeable, depending on the
vendor. If you own 802.11b equipment, check with the vendor to see if
upgrades will be offered for your particular product(s). Newer 802.11g or
multi-mode 802.11a/g equipment is what is now generally found, though you
may be using the n version..
Should the manufacturer not supply 98SE supplicant, some users have
resorted to experimentation, and found that there were others that MIGHT
work, such as:
Funk Software Odyssey client or Aegis.
(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:21 am
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Here's the update for 2000:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/313664
KB313664 - Using 802.1x authentication on client computers that are running
Windows 2000
This was included in SP4
http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/
wpa_supplicant is a WPA Supplicant for Linux, BSD, Mac OS X, and Windows
with support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i / RSN).
{tested with XP, 2000 per developer}
AND:
Microsoft also announced 802.1X Authentication Client packages for Windows
98, ME, and NT 4.0 Workstation, available to customers with support
contracts. Key being SUPPORT CONTRACTS...
It would be interesting if some of those made it to the NET.
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|
| "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar.RemoveThis@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
| news:45o26491jg2ans5o1skuj274in2m6l43e7@4ax.com...
| | On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:35:10 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
| | put finger to keyboard and composed:
| |
| | >
| | > Could have a lengthy discussion I suppose, but how about a link that
| might
| | >help spark the discussion first:
| | >
| | >http://www.circuitcellar.com/ - CIRCUIT CELLAR By Engineers, For
| Engineers
| | > Caution - lots of scripts and code on this site. Dang, I hate these
| types
| | >of sites. Good magazine though... try the archives ...
| | >
| | >--
| | > MEB
| | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | |
| | Sorry, I didn't find anything there. Anyway, the reason I asked those
| | questions was that the answers may determine whether it is in fact
| | possible for the OP to do what he/she wants. If not, then I would
| | think that wireless networking via Win98, being limited to WEP, would
| | be inadvisable from a security point of view.
|
| Right, I got the tenor of your original post. The answer is hardware/chip
| or chipset support. The encryption and other can, could, and should be
| handled within the USB wireless device.
|
| WEP would indeed be a limited security to use but anything beyond a few
| hundred feet away wouldn't be able to affect the network very much. The
| range of the devices is not that great. Stacked apartment dwellers and
| closely placed housing units are likely the most vulnerable.
| Security, in general, is based upon deterance. Determined indivduals will
| break into almost any security if given the chance. Living/networking in
| cities increases the need for more security in general and secure access
| points, obviously.
|
| |
| | Having said that, I suspect that there are huge numbers of unprotected
| | wireless networks in domestic use. A friend recently asked me to
| | determine why it was that she was no longer able to connect to the
| | Internet via her hard-wired Win98SE box and her wireless laptop at the
| | same time, after her ISP had upgraded her from ADSL to ADSL+ (by
| | upgrading the DSLAM). The solution was to enable NAT in her router (ie
| | the ADSL+ upgrade was not the cause of her problem), which then begged
| | the question, if NAT had previously been disabled, then how had she
| | achieved simultaneous Internet access? The answer appears to be that
| | her laptop had unknowingly been accessing the Internet via a
| | neighbour's insecure wireless network.
| |
| | - Franc Zabkar
| | --
| | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
|
| The number of unprotected and under-protected wireless networks would be
| astounding, I'm sure.
| Most people never change the default passwords or use simple to guess
| passwords, and know little beyond what was needed to install the wireless
| units.
| Moreover, many never even use WEP in their networks, they are wide open
| [such as in the network you mentioned]; and when enabled, never make or
| change WEP Keys.
|
| The 802.11i standard [WPA2} can and is implemented via hardware.
| WPA/WPA-PSK came with updates to XPSP1 {Update 815485} and is/was part of
| 802.11b [a supplement]. Early vendors included support in their own
software
| [supplicant support] and hardware for 9X [generally only SE], now, its
| difficult to find.
| Older 802.11b products may or may not be upgradeable, depending on the
| vendor. If you own 802.11b equipment, check with the vendor to see if
| upgrades will be offered for your particular product(s). Newer 802.11g or
| multi-mode 802.11a/g equipment is what is now generally found, though you
| may be using the n version..
|
| Should the manufacturer not supply 98SE supplicant, some users have
| resorted to experimentation, and found that there were others that MIGHT
| work, such as:
| Funk Software Odyssey client or Aegis.
|
| Some have also found that using certain drivers/supplicants from other
| vendors would work with their devices, such as:
| ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwlg520/Apps/dwlg520_WPAsupplicant_236.zip |
| Though as always, this is experimentation... YMMV....
|
| Interestingly, many MVPs know of these issues and potential fixes, but
| rarely post them... particularly here....
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | --
| _________
|
|
|
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