Windows NT4 DNS Server question

Hello,

Thanks for you answer.

We don't want to integrate AD with Windows NT4 DNS server!.

I only want to publish to our branch hosts (and they not belong to our AD
domain) a resource record for a machine that is in our internal network.

It's a simple thing to do. We already did it and works.

The problem is we want that hosts access that machine by the FQDN
(intranet.xpto.org) or only by the domain name (xpto.org).
We only need to point intranet.xpto.org and xpto.org to the same IP address.

Like the same we do to access Microsoft. We can write in the browser
"www.microsoft.com" or only "microsoft.com".

With Windows NT4 DNS server is simple to add the resource record
"intranet.xpto.org" pointing to one IP address. Now, how can we do this if we
want access the same IP address only by the domain name "xpto.org"?

"Herb Martin" wrote:

>
> "DS" <DS.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:03CE7E8B-9C1C-4DA7-8384-47A43815D07E@microsoft.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > We have one old Windows NT4.
> >
> > We want to use it only to work as DNS server, to provide DNS services for
> > external remote VPN hosts that are not in our Windows 2003 Domain.
> > We want to mantain only one primary zone in that server with our intranet
> > resource records.
>
> It must be at least SP4 but since ALL NT4 computers should have
> SP6A + Hotfixes this should not be an issue.
>
> SP4 is required to support the DNS SRV records as a domain zone
> secondary.
>
> > Question:
> > In the xpto.org zone we have one record called "intranet" to 172.16.30.25.
>
> > This way, users can acces our intranet server by the URL
> > "intranet.xpto.org".
>
> > However we want that, if users only write the URL "xpto.org", can also
> > access our intranet server.
>
> > So, users can write "intranet.xpto.org" ou "xpto.org" to access our
> > intranet
> > server (172.16.30.25).
> >
> > This can be done with windows 2000/2003 server. But how to do it with
> > Windows Server NT4?
>
> No it cannot easily be done with an AD Domain, independent of
> NT4/2003 DNS.
>
> The reason is that all of your DCs register the 'bare' DOMAIN NAME
> by default.
>
>
> > I already tried to modify the dns zone file, but without success.
>
> You cannot modify a 'secondary' as it updates from its master.
>
>
>

"DS" <DS DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1CFB3CE2-F593-4530-B649-CCBADB942D46@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for you answer.
>
> We don't want to integrate AD with Windows NT4 DNS server!.
> I only want to publish to our branch hosts (and they not belong to our AD
> domain) a resource record for a machine that is in our internal network.
> It's a simple thing to do. We already did it and works.

Then NT4 there is not an issue and can be left out of your
consideration (and question.)

> The problem is we want that hosts access that machine by the FQDN
> (intranet.xpto.org) or only by the domain name (xpto.org).

That's fine OUTSIDE, but not INSIDE.

> We only need to point intranet.xpto.org and xpto.org to the same IP
> address.

You can use a second A record (for intranet) or you can use
a CNAME to map one to the other.

> Like the same we do to access Microsoft. We can write in the browser
> "www.microsoft.com" or only "microsoft.com".

Add an "empty" or "same as parent" record with the domain name.

> With Windows NT4 DNS server is simple to add the resource record
> "intranet.xpto.org" pointing to one IP address. Now, how can we do this if
> we
> want access the same IP address only by the domain name "xpto.org"?

CNAME works.

A record works.

Hello again and Thanks again,

You said: "Add an "empty" or "same as parent" record with the domain name."

From what I know and tried, I cand do this with Windows 2000/2003 DNS
Server, but not with Windows NT4 Server....and this is the exact problem....

Best regards
Duarte S.

"Herb Martin" wrote:

>
> "DS" <DS.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1CFB3CE2-F593-4530-B649-CCBADB942D46@microsoft.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thanks for you answer.
> >
> > We don't want to integrate AD with Windows NT4 DNS server!.
> > I only want to publish to our branch hosts (and they not belong to our AD
> > domain) a resource record for a machine that is in our internal network.
> > It's a simple thing to do. We already did it and works.
>
> Then NT4 there is not an issue and can be left out of your
> consideration (and question.)
>
> > The problem is we want that hosts access that machine by the FQDN
> > (intranet.xpto.org) or only by the domain name (xpto.org).
>
> That's fine OUTSIDE, but not INSIDE.
>
> > We only need to point intranet.xpto.org and xpto.org to the same IP
> > address.
>
> You can use a second A record (for intranet) or you can use
> a CNAME to map one to the other.
>
> > Like the same we do to access Microsoft. We can write in the browser
> > "www.microsoft.com" or only "microsoft.com".
>
> Add an "empty" or "same as parent" record with the domain name.
>
> > With Windows NT4 DNS server is simple to add the resource record
> > "intranet.xpto.org" pointing to one IP address. Now, how can we do this if
> > we
> > want access the same IP address only by the domain name "xpto.org"?
>
> CNAME works.
>
> A record works.
>
>
>

"DS" <DS DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D0E2783C-D91B-43D3-A3A3-7A7CA5B916A6@microsoft.com...
> Hello again and Thanks again,
>
> You said: "Add an "empty" or "same as parent" record with the domain
> name."
>
> From what I know and tried, I cand do this with Windows 2000/2003 DNS
> Server, but not with Windows NT4 Server....and this is the exact
> problem....

I don't remember that being a problem with WinNT, and would
swear that this can be done.

I have a vague idea that there might be some additional "gui" trick
to make it work, or the wording is different from what is used in
Windows Server now.

Try this Google search:

[ site:microsoft.com NT 4.0 | 4 dns server "same as parent" | blank |
empty "A record" ]

Probably a good idea to go ahead and upgrade NT4 also.



> Best regards
> Duarte S.
>
> "Herb Martin" wrote:
>
>>
>> "DS" <DS DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1CFB3CE2-F593-4530-B649-CCBADB942D46@microsoft.com...
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Thanks for you answer.
>> >
>> > We don't want to integrate AD with Windows NT4 DNS server!.
>> > I only want to publish to our branch hosts (and they not belong to our
>> > AD
>> > domain) a resource record for a machine that is in our internal
>> > network.
>> > It's a simple thing to do. We already did it and works.
>>
>> Then NT4 there is not an issue and can be left out of your
>> consideration (and question.)
>>
>> > The problem is we want that hosts access that machine by the FQDN
>> > (intranet.xpto.org) or only by the domain name (xpto.org).
>>
>> That's fine OUTSIDE, but not INSIDE.
>>
>> > We only need to point intranet.xpto.org and xpto.org to the same IP
>> > address.
>>
>> You can use a second A record (for intranet) or you can use
>> a CNAME to map one to the other.
>>
>> > Like the same we do to access Microsoft. We can write in the browser
>> > "www.microsoft.com" or only "microsoft.com".
>>
>> Add an "empty" or "same as parent" record with the domain name.
>>
>> > With Windows NT4 DNS server is simple to add the resource record
>> > "intranet.xpto.org" pointing to one IP address. Now, how can we do this
>> > if
>> > we
>> > want access the same IP address only by the domain name "xpto.org"?
>>
>> CNAME works.
>>
>> A record works.
>>
>>
>>

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Herb Martin <news DeleteThis @learnquick.com> typed:
> "DS" <DS DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D0E2783C-D91B-43D3-A3A3-7A7CA5B916A6@microsoft.com...
> > Hello again and Thanks again,
> >
> > You said: "Add an "empty" or "same as parent" record with the domain
> > name."
> >
> > From what I know and tried, I cand do this with Windows 2000/2003
> > DNS Server, but not with Windows NT4 Server....and this is the exact
> > problem....
>
> I don't remember that being a problem with WinNT, and would
> swear that this can be done.
>
> I have a vague idea that there might be some additional "gui" trick
> to make it work, or the wording is different from what is used in
> Windows Server now.
>
> Try this Google search:
>
> [ site:microsoft.com NT 4.0 | 4 dns server "same as parent" | blank
> | empty "A record" ]
>
> Probably a good idea to go ahead and upgrade NT4 also.


It's been some time, but I remember to create a blank domain A record under
NT4, you have to go into the actual DNS zone text file (winnt\system32\dns)
to create it. If I remember correctly, the record in the zone file would
look like:

@ A x.x.x.x

Then bump up the serial number by 1 digit.

Then refresh the NT4 DNS console from the zone file.

--
Regards,
Ace

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MVP Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
Microsoft Certified Trainer

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"Ace Fekay [MVP]" <PleaseAskMe.RemoveThis@SomeDomain.com> wrote in message
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> In news:%23K8FbybwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
> Herb Martin <news.RemoveThis@learnquick.com> typed:
>> "DS" <DS.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D0E2783C-D91B-43D3-A3A3-7A7CA5B916A6@microsoft.com...
>> > Hello again and Thanks again,
>> >
>> > You said: "Add an "empty" or "same as parent" record with the domain
>> > name."
>> >
>> > From what I know and tried, I cand do this with Windows 2000/2003
>> > DNS Server, but not with Windows NT4 Server....and this is the exact
>> > problem....
>>
>> I don't remember that being a problem with WinNT, and would
>> swear that this can be done.
>>
>> I have a vague idea that there might be some additional "gui" trick
>> to make it work, or the wording is different from what is used in
>> Windows Server now.
>>
>> Try this Google search:
>>
>> [ site:microsoft.com NT 4.0 | 4 dns server "same as parent" | blank
>> | empty "A record" ]
>>
>> Probably a good idea to go ahead and upgrade NT4 also.
>
>
> It's been some time, but I remember to create a blank domain A record
> under NT4, you have to go into the actual DNS zone text file
> (winnt\system32\dns) to create it. If I remember correctly, the record in
> the zone file would look like:
>
> @ A x.x.x.x
>
> Then bump up the serial number by 1 digit.
>
> Then refresh the NT4 DNS console from the zone file.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ace

Thanks Ace, that sounds right -- I almost added that but couldn't
remember all the details about setting NT4 to use Files vs.
Registry etc.