(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:04 pm
Post subject: Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP! Archived from groups: microsoft>public>win98>networking (more info?)
Hi,
I am trying to network four computers together in my home. I have a D-Link
Router providing wireless for one of the computers (a laptop). In the four
computers, there is two ones running Vista, one running XP (the laptop), and
one running 98. So far the vista and xp computers can see each other and
access each others files. The computer running 98 cannot see the others. The
others also cannot see the 98 computer. The D-Link router shares a DSL
internet connection and the 98 computer can access the internet. At first,
NEBEUI was not installed. After install, same trouble. I was thinking it
might be the McAfee firewalls running on the Vista and XP computers (The
firewall could not be installed on Win98). Does another protocol need to be
installed?
I would like to know some answers. One of the vista computers was bought to
replace the one with 98 and I would like to transfer my files.
Ian Glen
i.glen.RemoveThis@inbox.com
Additional Information:
-All computers connected by Ethernet
-Computers cannot be access 98 computer by \\192.168.0.108 or \\Sony
-All computers can ping the 98 computer successfully
-98 computer can be detected by using IP scanning software, but no Computer
Name or MAC Address can be found
-If 98 computer runs Personal Server Software, other computers can access
the files in the server root
(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:23 am
Post subject: Re: Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP! [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:04:02 -0500, "Ian" <i.glen DeleteThis @inbox.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am trying to network four computers together in my home. I have a D-Link
>Router providing wireless for one of the computers (a laptop). In the four
>computers, there is two ones running Vista, one running XP (the laptop), and
>one running 98. So far the vista and xp computers can see each other and
>access each others files. The computer running 98 cannot see the others. The
>others also cannot see the 98 computer. The D-Link router shares a DSL
>internet connection and the 98 computer can access the internet. At first,
>NEBEUI was not installed. After install, same trouble. I was thinking it
>might be the McAfee firewalls running on the Vista and XP computers (The
>firewall could not be installed on Win98). Does another protocol need to be
>installed?
>
>I would like to know some answers. One of the vista computers was bought to
>replace the one with 98 and I would like to transfer my files.
>
>Ian Glen
>i.glen@inbox.com
>
>Additional Information:
>
>-All computers connected by Ethernet
>
>-Computers cannot be access 98 computer by \\192.168.0.108 or \\Sony
>
>-All computers can ping the 98 computer successfully
>
>-98 computer can be detected by using IP scanning software, but no Computer
>Name or MAC Address can be found
>
>-If 98 computer runs Personal Server Software, other computers can access
>the files in the server root
Don't install NetBEUI! TCP/IP the only protocol needed on all
computers, and installing another protocol could make things worse.
It isn't possible for Win98 to access a computer running Vista. Win98
can access XP. XP can access Win98 and Vista. Vista can access Win98
and XP.
Configure each computer's firewall program to allow access by other
computers on the local area network.
On Win98, make sure that Client for Microsoft Networks and File and
Printer Sharing are enabled.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP! [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Wow!
I recently bought a new laptop that came with Vista and wanted to transfer
files from my older desktop running Win98FE. After lots of struggling and a
zillion reboots, I could get the Vista laptop to see the Win98, but not the
other way around. Now I see that's normal.
But it sure doesn't make Vista look very good. I was already thinking
seriously about adding XP to the laptop. Now it seems even more
worthwhile.
Is there a reasonable, practical reason why Vista isn't visible to a Win98
machine over a network?
DougVL
"Steve Winograd" <bc070521m.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:unctg4lsiaioihdb43eb4i35epsm7c4v5j@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:04:02 -0500, "Ian" <i.glen.TakeThisOut@inbox.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I am trying to network four computers together in my home. I have a
D-Link
> >Router providing wireless for one of the computers (a laptop). In the
four
> >computers, there is two ones running Vista, one running XP (the laptop),
and
> >one running 98. So far the vista and xp computers can see each other and
> >access each others files. The computer running 98 cannot see the others.
The
> >others also cannot see the 98 computer. The D-Link router shares a DSL
> >internet connection and the 98 computer can access the internet. At
first,
> >NEBEUI was not installed. After install, same trouble. I was thinking it
> >might be the McAfee firewalls running on the Vista and XP computers (The
> >firewall could not be installed on Win98). Does another protocol need to
be
> >installed?
> >
> >I would like to know some answers. One of the vista computers was bought
to
> >replace the one with 98 and I would like to transfer my files.
> >
> >Ian Glen
> >i.glen@inbox.com
> >
> >Additional Information:
> >
> >-All computers connected by Ethernet
> >
> >-Computers cannot be access 98 computer by \\192.168.0.108 or \\Sony
> >
> >-All computers can ping the 98 computer successfully
> >
> >-98 computer can be detected by using IP scanning software, but no
Computer
> >Name or MAC Address can be found
> >
> >-If 98 computer runs Personal Server Software, other computers can access
> >the files in the server root
>
> Don't install NetBEUI! TCP/IP the only protocol needed on all
> computers, and installing another protocol could make things worse.
>
> It isn't possible for Win98 to access a computer running Vista. Win98
> can access XP. XP can access Win98 and Vista. Vista can access Win98
> and XP.
>
> Configure each computer's firewall program to allow access by other
> computers on the local area network.
>
> On Win98, make sure that Client for Microsoft Networks and File and
> Printer Sharing are enabled.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:09 am
Post subject: Re: Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP! [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:35:59 -0500, "DougVL" <swordman.DeleteThis@netonecom.net>
wrote:
>Wow!
>
>I recently bought a new laptop that came with Vista and wanted to transfer
>files from my older desktop running Win98FE. After lots of struggling and a
>zillion reboots, I could get the Vista laptop to see the Win98, but not the
>other way around. Now I see that's normal.
>
>But it sure doesn't make Vista look very good. I was already thinking
>seriously about adding XP to the laptop. Now it seems even more
>worthwhile.
>
>
>Is there a reasonable, practical reason why Vista isn't visible to a Win98
>machine over a network?
>
>DougVL
Some reasons I've heard from people at Microsoft and elsewhere:
1. Microsoft ended support for Windows 98 on July 11, 2006, well
before Vista was released.
2. Compatibility with Windows 98 wasn't a design goal in Vista.
3. Security was a key design goal in Vista. Win98 doesn't support
some Vista security protocols, such as NTLMv2 challenge/response
session security, when part of a workgroup network.
I'll let you judge whether those explanations are reasonable and
practical.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
On Dec 18, 3:09 am, Steve Winograd <bc0705....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:35:59 -0500, "DougVL" <sword....DeleteThis@netonecom.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Wow!
>
> >I recently bought a new laptop that came with Vista and wanted to transfer
> >files from my older desktop running Win98FE. After lots of struggling and a
> >zillion reboots, I could get the Vista laptop to see the Win98, but not the
> >other way around. Now I see that's normal.
>
> >But it sure doesn't make Vista look very good. I was already thinking
> >seriously about adding XP to the laptop. Now it seems even more
> >worthwhile.
>
> >Is there a reasonable, practical reason why Vista isn't visible to a Win98
> >machine over a network?
>
> >DougVL
>
> Some reasons I've heard from people at Microsoft and elsewhere:
>
> 1. Microsoft ended support for Windows 98 on July 11, 2006, well
> before Vista was released.
>
> 2. Compatibility with Windows 98 wasn't a design goal in Vista.
>
> 3. Security was a key design goal in Vista. Win98 doesn't support
> some Vista security protocols, such as NTLMv2 challenge/response
> session security, when part of a workgroup network.
>
> I'll let you judge whether those explanations are reasonable and
> practical.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Programhttp://mvp.support.microsoft.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, I can sure tell that security was a design goal. My new laptop
PC is constantly downloading security updates. Apparently the design
is an ongoing process. I wonder how long it'll be ongoing. Probably
until they can't support it any more.
If Vista is incompatible with Win98 on a network, how many other
systems became incompatible too? Unix? Macintosh? A business with a
big network and a variety of computers could get a nasty surprise. I
can't see why they couldn't at least put in a 'switch' so you/I could
enable Vista to work with Win98 if it were necessary - like in a home
system where security isn't such a great concern.
Oh, well, Microsoft obviously knows best.
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