NT4 to Active Directory 2003 Qs

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your response. I didn't type my intentions clearly. I'm
planning on doing an in-place upgrade, but thought it best I use a temporary
machine to be the NT4 BDC that syncs SAM, then I remove it, promote to PDC,
then do in-place upgrade. This machine would be a temporary machine and
would sync AD to a permanet Win2003 domain controller with the same IP as
the original PDC. This way doing everything off-line and separate from the
production network making testing/troubleshooting easier. Also, my clients
could have same WINS server and DNS server references.

If I do an in-place upgrade,

-The AD domain name will be the same correct? (in other words it will not
be a FQDN such as domain.local)? I'm assuming this is the case if I won't
have to change the workstation domain (by re-joining the new domain.local).


Thanks for the answers I've never done a NT4 -> AD migration, just AD->AD,
and my NT 4 memories are rusty (haven't used since 2001)


Thanks,
Mike



"Paul Bergson" <pbbergs.TakeThisOut@nospammsn.com> wrote in message
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> Why remove the PDC from the network? Just promote the new machine to a
> PDC and do an in place upgrade. You can leave the NT4 machines in place
> (member server or bdc's) on the network as long as you like you just can't
> upgrade to DFL/FFL 2003 until you remove the BDC's, but you can leave
> member servers as long as you like.
>
> If you change the domains you will need to join these XP machine to the
> new domain. If you upgrade you shouldn;t have to.
>
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> "Mike" <nospam.TakeThisOut@test.com> wrote in message
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I have several migration questions for a NT 4 migration:
>>
>> I plan to migrate to AD 2003 in the following way:
>> -Add BDC to NT 4 domain, remove from production network and promote as
>> PDC.
>> -Upgrade PDC to Win2003R2.
>> -Build a permanent Domain controller on Win2003R2 sync with upgraded
>> Win2003R2, then remove the upgraded machine.
>>
>>
>> -If i Have the Win2003R2 on the same network as teh original NT4 system
>> will this cause conflict?
>> -Would I be best keeping the production and migration networks separate
>> and have the new Win2003R2 system have the same IP as the NT4 PDC?
>> -Will the XP PCs need to be re-joined to the domain or will their
>> accounts carry to Active Directory?
>> -Will the XP client domain name need to be chaned from domainname to
>> domainname.local or will this migration not change the domain name to
>> .local?
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the answers in advance?
>>
>> Mike
>

"Mike" <nospam.RemoveThis@test.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> I plan to migrate to AD 2003 in the following way:
> -Add BDC to NT 4 domain, remove from production network and promote as
> PDC.
> -Upgrade PDC to Win2003R2.
> -Build a permanent Domain controller on Win2003R2 sync with upgraded
> Win2003R2, then remove the upgraded machine.

The right steps are as following:

- Upgrade (in-place) the PDC to Windows 2003
- Add Windows 2003 DCs
- Remove (or upgrade) all NT4 BDCs

The member computers (servers/clients) aren't going to notice any
difference, the domain account database will remain the same and everything
will work smoothly.

The only problem with this approach is, NT4 and Windows 2003 usually run on
quite different hardware, so maybe your NT4 PDC won't support an in-place
upgrade; even if it did, you'll have an unclean installation, and some
limitations, like the system partition that on NT4 can be at most 4GB in
size. To overcome these problems, usually this is the standard approach:

- Get a temporary machine which can run NT 4 and Windows 2003 (a virtual
machine is a perfect tool here)
- Install NT4 as BDC and promote to PDC
- Upgrade (in-place) the machine to Windows 2003
- Install as many new Windows 2003 domain controllers as you wish, this time
using production hardware
- Remove the NT4 BDCs
- Demote and remove the temorary machine

You really shouldn't disconnect any DC (NT and/or 2003) from the network: if
you do upgrade operations offline, you'll end up with two different domains,
you won't be able to resync them and you'll have to manually migrate the
member computers.


Massimo

you mention MIGRATION while in reality you are doing an UPGRADE

for both see:
UPGRADE:
http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/05/01/Example-NT4-to...-upgrad
MIGRATION: http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/search.aspx?q=ADMT&p=1

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"Mike" <nospam RemoveThis @test.com> wrote in message
news:#3l9KEgYJHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> I have several migration questions for a NT 4 migration:
>
> I plan to migrate to AD 2003 in the following way:
> -Add BDC to NT 4 domain, remove from production network and promote as
> PDC.
> -Upgrade PDC to Win2003R2.
> -Build a permanent Domain controller on Win2003R2 sync with upgraded
> Win2003R2, then remove the upgraded machine.
>
>
> -If i Have the Win2003R2 on the same network as teh original NT4 system
> will this cause conflict?
> -Would I be best keeping the production and migration networks separate
> and have the new Win2003R2 system have the same IP as the NT4 PDC?
> -Will the XP PCs need to be re-joined to the domain or will their accounts
> carry to Active Directory?
> -Will the XP client domain name need to be chaned from domainname to
> domainname.local or will this migration not change the domain name to
> .local?
>
>
> Thanks for the answers in advance?
>
> Mike

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>Hi,
>
>I have several migration questions for a NT 4 migration:
>
>I plan to migrate to AD 2003 in the following way:
>-Add BDC to NT 4 domain, remove from production network and promote as PDC.
>-Upgrade PDC to Win2003R2.
>-Build a permanent Domain controller on Win2003R2 sync with upgraded
>Win2003R2, then remove the upgraded machine.

Can't you do it just the "official way"?
You should set up a new AD domain, then create trust relationship
between domains, migrate users/machine accounts using ADMT and voila.


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"Mariusz Kruk" <Mariusz.Kruk.DeleteThis@epsilon.eu.org> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Can't you do it just the "official way"?
> You should set up a new AD domain, then create trust relationship
> between domains, migrate users/machine accounts using ADMT
> and voila.

....why?!?


Massimo

Hello Mike,

Additional see here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/whyupgrade/nt4/n...omtoad.

Best regards

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> Hi,
>
> I have several migration questions for a NT 4 migration:
>
> I plan to migrate to AD 2003 in the following way:
> -Add BDC to NT 4 domain, remove from production network and promote as
> PDC.
> -Upgrade PDC to Win2003R2.
> -Build a permanent Domain controller on Win2003R2 sync with upgraded
> Win2003R2, then remove the upgraded machine.
> -If i Have the Win2003R2 on the same network as teh original NT4
> system will
> this cause conflict?
> -Would I be best keeping the production and migration networks
> separate and
> have the new Win2003R2 system have the same IP as the NT4 PDC?
> -Will the XP PCs need to be re-joined to the domain or will their
> accounts
> carry to Active Directory?
> -Will the XP client domain name need to be chaned from domainname to
> domainname.local or will this migration not change the domain name to
> .local?
> Thanks for the answers in advance?
>
> Mike
>