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glee1

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Max RAM for Win95b ? Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Sandra's report doesn't tell you much regarding the actual RAM stick. Download and
install Everest Free Edition and it *may* supply you with more detail about the
installed RAM:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads9.html

http://www.majorgeeks.com/EVEREST_Free_Edition_d4181.html

In Everest, look on the left and expand "Motherboard", then select SPD and look on
the right. If the installed memory supports SPD, it will list details of the
module. Older RAM won't show anything, though.

Also under "Motherboard", select Chipset....it *may* provide info on what is in the
RAM slot.
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Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Pedro" <someone.TakeThisOut@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:n1f1i29b4nadl6nhfgptudfskcf7sugg3n@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:40:32 +1000, "Jeff Richards"
> <JRichards.TakeThisOut@msn.com.au> wrote:
>
>>If it's free, grab it. It probably won't make a big difference for most of
>>the things you do, but there are always odd times when Windows suddenly
>>needs a lot of RAM, and having the extra there won't hurt.
>
> Okay.
>
>>The chipset will support that RAM, but the motherboard might have its own
>>rules, so be sure to check. Note that you might run into problems if the
>>new RAM isn't the same type - while it's technically possible to mix RAM
>>types, in practice it sometimes doesn't work.
>
> Okay, I will try and see what type of ram is installed now, and what
> the type of RAM for extra is. Here is a 'Sandra' report of the memory
> now:
>
> <<< Windows Memory Information >>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> < System Memory Summary >
> Total System Memory: 316MB
> Free System Memory: 61MB, 19%
> Total Physical Memory: 256MB
> Free Physical Memory: 920kB, 0%
> Maximum Swap File: 1793MB
> Current Swap File: 60MB
> Free Page File: 60MB, 100%
> Page File Drive: C:
>
> < Extended Memory Information >
> True Allocated Memory Load: 118%
> Total Windows Base Memory: 640kB
> Free Windows Base Memory: 425kB, 66%
> Largest Free Base Memory Block: 246kB, 38%
>
> < 16-bit Sub-System >
> System Resources Free: 69%
> GDI Heap Free: 81%
> USER Heap Free: 69%
>
> < Performance Tips >
> Tip T2005: Use a fixed-size swap file.
> This is faster than a
> variable-size swap file.
> Tip T2: For more information about
> tips, press F1 and scroll
> to the Tips section.
>
> <<< DOS Memory Information >>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> < Base Memory >
> Total Memory: 640kB
> Free Memory: 518kB, 81%
>
> < EMS Driver >
> LIM Version: 4.00
> EMS Page Frame: E000h
> Total Memory: 2MB
> Free Memory: 2MB, 100%
>
> < XMS Driver >
> Interface Version: 3.00
> Driver Version: 3.95
> Total Memory: 255MB
> Free Memory: 2MB, 1%
>
> < HMA Block >
> In Use: Yes
> Total Memory: 64kB
> Free Memory: 9kB, 15%
>
> < DPMI Driver >
> Interface Version: 0.90
> Provider Type: 32-bit
> Total Physical Memory: 255MB
> Swap File Size: 255MB
> Free Memory: 510MB, 100%
> Swap Page Size: 4kB
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ***** End of Report
>
> Thanks.
>
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thanatoid

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Max RAM for Win95b ? Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Tim Slattery <Slattery_T.RemoveThis@bls.gov> wrote in
news:tk42i2hb7bmd2j9l2r44nssbsg59qdfu4f@4ax.com:

> thanatoid <waiting.RemoveThis@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Pedro <someone.RemoveThis@my-deja.com> wrote in
>>news:ejmsh2pu0s87hbpl2mj9khlpb210037g5h@4ax.com:
>>
>>> We have a P2-350 Mhz with Win95b and 256 Mb RAM. I have
>>> seen a few articles about the max ram that can be placed
>>> in the mobo, for Win95. Some say 256, some say 512.
>>>
>>> Will it be okay to add another 256 Mb RAM ?
>>>
>>
>>Okay but pointless. The 95B OS can not use more than 64 MB
>>of RAM.
>
> NOT TRUE!! I think this myth comes from the fact that a lot
> of motherboards built in the Win95 era couldn't cache more
> than 64MB. You could still use more than 64MB, up to
> whatever your motherboard supported (they didn't support
> 4GB in those days). Access to memory over 64MB would be
> slower than if it were cached, but still a *lot* faster
> than the virtual memory file on your disk!
>

Yes, I've heard this 64MB 95 limit may not actually be true, but
many apparently knowledgeable sources say it is. I once looked
for a **definitive** answer (if there is any such animal in the
computer zoo) and I think I found confirmation of it on a VERY
respected site - sorry, can't remember which. It's been years.

All I can say is I have been running a 95B machine for 9 years
with 64 MB RAM with RAMpage installed (about 6 years ago) and it
works just fine.

Also, if anyone IS running 95, it's a fair bet they are running
it on a machine built 10 or 12 years ago.

It's sort of a moot point since from what I have read in NG's
over the last few years, me and this guy are the only two people
in the whole world still using 95. ;-#
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Pedro

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Max RAM for Win95b ? Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:01:04 -0400, "glee" <glee29.RemoveThis@spamindspring.com>
wrote:

>Sandra's report doesn't tell you much regarding the actual RAM stick. Download and
>install Everest Free Edition and it *may* supply you with more detail about the
>installed RAM:
>http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads9.html
>
>http://www.majorgeeks.com/EVEREST_Free_Edition_d4181.html
>
>In Everest, look on the left and expand "Motherboard", then select SPD and look on
>the right. If the installed memory supports SPD, it will list details of the
>module. Older RAM won't show anything, though.

SPD didn't show anything.

>Also under "Motherboard", select Chipset....it *may* provide info on what is in the
>RAM slot.

Intel 82440LX

Thanks !
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Jeff Richards

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Max RAM for Win95b ? Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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You have found the definitive answer. Windows 95 does not have a 64Mb RAM
limit. In fact, whether or not this myth is repeated is a fairly reliable
way of judging the credibility of the W9x site.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"thanatoid" <waiting.RemoveThis@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9850C15AEE2A5thanexit@66.250.146.158...
> Tim Slattery <Slattery_T.RemoveThis@bls.gov> wrote in
> news:tk42i2hb7bmd2j9l2r44nssbsg59qdfu4f@4ax.com:
>
>> thanatoid <waiting.RemoveThis@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Pedro <someone.RemoveThis@my-deja.com> wrote in
>>>news:ejmsh2pu0s87hbpl2mj9khlpb210037g5h@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> We have a P2-350 Mhz with Win95b and 256 Mb RAM. I have
>>>> seen a few articles about the max ram that can be placed
>>>> in the mobo, for Win95. Some say 256, some say 512.
>>>>
>>>> Will it be okay to add another 256 Mb RAM ?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Okay but pointless. The 95B OS can not use more than 64 MB
>>>of RAM.
>>
>> NOT TRUE!! I think this myth comes from the fact that a lot
>> of motherboards built in the Win95 era couldn't cache more
>> than 64MB. You could still use more than 64MB, up to
>> whatever your motherboard supported (they didn't support
>> 4GB in those days). Access to memory over 64MB would be
>> slower than if it were cached, but still a *lot* faster
>> than the virtual memory file on your disk!
>>
>
> Yes, I've heard this 64MB 95 limit may not actually be true, but
> many apparently knowledgeable sources say it is. I once looked
> for a **definitive** answer (if there is any such animal in the
> computer zoo) and I think I found confirmation of it on a VERY
> respected site - sorry, can't remember which. It's been years.
>
> All I can say is I have been running a 95B machine for 9 years
> with 64 MB RAM with RAMpage installed (about 6 years ago) and it
> works just fine.
>
> Also, if anyone IS running 95, it's a fair bet they are running
> it on a machine built 10 or 12 years ago.
>
> It's sort of a moot point since from what I have read in NG's
> over the last few years, me and this guy are the only two people
> in the whole world still using 95. ;-#
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glee1

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Max RAM for Win95b ? Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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OK, no info under Chipset either, about the RAM in the slots? Your RAM is too old
to have SPD chips then.....it is most likely PC66 SDRAM, but it could also be early
PC100.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Pedro" <someone.DeleteThis@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:a6v3i2tutj4jg1b5hod1cndjv70hctpd9e@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:01:04 -0400, "glee" <glee29.DeleteThis@spamindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Sandra's report doesn't tell you much regarding the actual RAM stick. Download
>>and
>>install Everest Free Edition and it *may* supply you with more detail about the
>>installed RAM:
>>http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads9.html
>>
>>http://www.majorgeeks.com/EVEREST_Free_Edition_d4181.html
>>
>>In Everest, look on the left and expand "Motherboard", then select SPD and look on
>>the right. If the installed memory supports SPD, it will list details of the
>>module. Older RAM won't show anything, though.
>
> SPD didn't show anything.
>
>>Also under "Motherboard", select Chipset....it *may* provide info on what is in
>>the
>>RAM slot.
>
> Intel 82440LX
>
> Thanks !
>
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Henry B

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:49 am
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> Yes, I've heard this 64MB 95 limit may not actually be true

I am successfully running Win 95B on a machine with 256MB RAM (and no
RAMPage or similar)

> Also, if anyone IS running 95, it's a fair bet they are running
> it on a machine built 10 or 12 years ago.

My machine is 5 years old.

Conclusion: Jeff's answer *is* definitive. Cool

> me and this guy are the only two people
> in the whole world still using 95.

Also not true!
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Henry Bartlett
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Ron Martell2

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:05 am
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thanatoid <waiting DeleteThis @the.exit.invalid> wrote:


>Wait until MS buys one, then you'll say the exact opposite.

Bullshit

>It
>is almost impossible to run a 95 or 98 machine without one,

Bullshit. Ran them for years, and still running 98SE on one machine.
All it takes is a bit of knowledge about what you are doing.

> and
>I bet they don't hurt in XtraProblems or
>VastInfiniteSpywareTrojanAssortment either.

Most of the tweaks imposed by these snake-oil memory managers often do
end up hurting overall performance, such as by causing excessive
memory paging activity in order to maintain a totally unnecessary
supply of "free memory".

For more information see
http://www.radsoft.net/resources/software/reviews/redux/


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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has never been in bed with a mosquito."
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:20 am
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Ron Martell <ron.martell.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
news:veiji2psac75q4htlehhtcc4f4nk12gs5d@4ax.com:

> thanatoid <waiting.TakeThisOut@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>Wait until MS buys one, then you'll say the exact opposite.
>
> Bullshit

Sorry, that wasn't terribly nice of me to say.

>>It
>>is almost impossible to run a 95 or 98 machine without one,
>
> Bullshit. Ran them for years, and still running 98SE on
> one machine. All it takes is a bit of knowledge about what
> you are doing.

I exaggerated. I ran a win95 machine for several years before I
installed one of "those". It *did* seem to help.

>> and
>>I bet they don't hurt in XtraProblems or
>>VastInfiniteSpywareTrojanAssortment either.
>
> Most of the tweaks imposed by these snake-oil memory
> managers often do end up hurting overall performance, such
> as by causing excessive memory paging activity in order to
> maintain a totally unnecessary supply of "free memory".

Well, my 95 machine has 64MB of ram so it uses the swap file a
fair bit with or without a mem manager.

> For more information see
> http://www.radsoft.net/resources/software/reviews/redux/

I will, thanks.
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