(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Laptops with Multiple Displays [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>win98>display>multi_monitor (more info?)
NOW we're getting somewhere...........
Thank you muchly, kind Lady....
Vaya con Dios,
Chuck, CABGx3
"PattyL" <pattyl DeleteThis @XXmvps.org> wrote in message
news:Ob$I1b2QFHA.3140@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> The chipset that has been in both my laptops is ATI. The newer one is an > ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 and the older one was an ATI Rage. You can check > out the ATI web site and find a list of manufacturers that use ATI chips
in
> their laptops. Other manufacturer's that use the ATI Mobility 9000 in one > or more notebook computers include Acer, Dell, Fujitsu, Hp, IBM, NEC, and > several others. >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ati.com/buy/onboard/mobile/index.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.ati.com/buy/onboard/mobile/index.html</font</a>>
> > Since ATI has been supporting multimon since Win98 released with this > feature, I'd guess that all of their chips support it. You still need to > double-check before you purchase because a computer manufacturer might not > have taken advantage of this feature. > > NVIDIA also manufactures chipsets for mobile computers that support > Multi-display. They specifically mention the GeForce2 Go in a press > release. > > This is just a start. > > PattyL > > > "CLR" <croberts DeleteThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:uxA4vWuQFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > Well now, that's very helpful information...........thank you kind > > Lady......... > > > > I've seen ad's for Laptops that have self contained dual and even triple > > monitors......but only drawings, no pictures. Do you know if anyone > > actually has one on the market? > > > > Vaya con Dios, > > Chuck, CABGx3 > > > > > > "PattyL" <pattyl DeleteThis @XXmvps.org> wrote in message > > news:Of9P26qQFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > >> I am using a Toshiba A75 S229 and multiple monitors work great with it. > > It > >> shipped with Windows XP so that's what I am using. > >> > >> I would guess that most, if not all, recent laptops support multiple > >> monitors. The laptop that I purchased in early 2000 (Winbook)
supported
> >> multiple monitors with Win98. Because of it's age, no display drivers > > were > >> written for it for WinXP so it does not support multiple monitors on
XP.
> > My > >> assumption is that if laptop manufacturers were supporting multimon in > > 2000, > >> then they are probably supporting it now. In any case, I'm sure that
you
> >> can find out from the manufacturer of any laptop that you are
interested
> > in. > >> > >> Probably the best resource for multiple monitor information is
<font color=brown> > >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/.</font" target="_blank">http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/.</font</a>>
> >> > >> PattyL > >> > >> "CLR" <croberts DeleteThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> news:ut%23TUNBQFHA.244@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > >> > Thanks for the info...........I guess I should have asked if anyone > >> > owns > > a > >> > particular Make/Model laptop that is actually using Multiple > >> > monitors.........I do consulting work and rarely does a client ever > >> > provide > >> > good computer equipment on site. I just want a reasonably good
laptop
> >> > with > >> > extra flat-panel display that I can haul around. I have three
monitors
> > on > >> > my system at home and just about can't get by anymore with a one-tube > >> > system > >> > <g>. > >> > > >> > Thanks again.......... > >> > > >> > Vaya con Dios, > >> > Chuck, CABGx3 > >> > > >> > > >> > "msnews.microsoft.com" <James Hahn> wrote in message > >> > news:uAhest$PFHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > >> >> There are far too many makes and models on the market for anyone to
be
> >> > able > >> >> to provide that sort of information, but when you do your research
for
> >> >> yourself, it will be helpful to try to get the terminology straight > > (it's > >> >> not easy). > >> >> > >> >> What you term 'real' is probably the mode where the desktop can be > > spread > >> >> across two or more physical displays to give you a single, large, > > logical > >> >> desktop that behaves like it's a single display. This is usually > >> >> referred > >> >> to as the extended desktop mode - the desktop is extended to cover t
he
> >> >> display devices. MS also called it DualView, although they seem to > > have > >> >> stopped using this term (becasue it can be more than two). It > >> >> requires > > a > >> >> display adapter for each display (although in some cases there might > >> >> be > >> > only > >> >> one display card, there must always be a display adapter device for > > each > >> >> display) Windows manages the multiple adapters to give the extended > >> > desktop > >> >> effect. > >> >> > >> >> Laptops have almost always supported an external monitor
attachemmnt,
> > for > >> >> instance to use when the laptop is being used at a desk. The image > >> >> from > >> > the > >> >> inbuilt display is made available at a connector for an external > > monitor. > >> >> This is often referred to as clone mode, however since laptops have > > been > >> >> doing this for years, it is also often referred to as multiple
monitor
> > or > >> >> similar, and this is where most of the confusion comes from. You
will
> >> > also > >> >> see it described simply as 'external montor'. Laptops vary in
whether
> >> >> one > >> >> or both displays can be active, but in either case there is just the > >> > single > >> >> image. > >> >> > >> >> Because laptops that support the extended desktop come with the dual > >> > display > >> >> drivers integrated into the system, they also often support a third > > mode, > >> >> where the multiple display monitors are driven by a single (logical) > >> >> adapter, and Windows simply sees one very large screen. The effect
is
> >> >> very > >> >> similar to the Windows extended desktop mode, but it can circumvent > >> > problems > >> >> with some applications (such as games) that cannot cope with the > > extended > >> >> desktop. However, it may have some restrictions that extended mode > >> > doesn't > >> >> have, such as only working properly when the monitors are
side-by-side
> >> >> (Windows extended mode can cope with monitors in any position).
This
> >> >> mode > >> >> is usually called span or stretched mode. > >> >> > >> >> "CLR" <croberts DeleteThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:eVX9du5PFHA.3628@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > >> >> > Hi All......... > >> >> > > >> >> > Can any one tell me please, of the current models of Laptops on
the
> >> >> > market, > >> >> > which ones might support "real" Multiple Displays......not just a > > clone > >> > of > >> >> > the flip-up screen.......... > >> >> > > >> >> > Tks > >> >> > Vaya con Dios, > >> >> > Chuck, CABGx3 > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:55 am
Post subject: Re: Laptops with Multiple Displays [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
The manufacturer's www sites, such as the one I referred to, contain the
complete description of the machines (Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2
in this case), and you can access user manuals and technical specifications
if you need more detail.
I would not recommend asking a "salesman" you might meet in a store, and
they seldom carry the necessary technical information. In some cases they
know how to get it from the www, but you can find out for yourself just by
accessing the demonstration machine and checking in Device Manager that
there are two video display adapters installed, and checking in Display
Settings in Control Panel that there is an option to extend the desktop onto
the second monitor.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"CLR" <croberts RemoveThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:emR1wf2QFHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi Jeff.......... > Thanks for responding, ......I went to the site you recommended and was > not > able to see any information about multiple display support. .....perhaps > it > was on some link I missed, or what? > > I am aware that there are "probably" many models out there that support > multiple displays, but I don't seem to see much of it in their ad's, and > when you ask a "salesman", his eyes just roll back in his head and drool > starts flowing and he mutters "Multiple displays"?.......... > > I was hoping to get the recommendations from some actual multi-monitor > users > that had experience with specific models of laptops, either good or > bad..........perhaps I didn't word my post well enough. > I sure don't want to plunk down 1+large for a unit under the supposition > that it will support multiple displays and then find out "of course it > won't > work very well with Excel, for example". > > All I want is to compile a list of model numbers of units that qualify, > hopefully with recommendations or not, before I go shopping.......... > > Thanks again > > Vaya con Dios, > Chuck, CABGx3 > > > > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards RemoveThis @msn.com.au> wrote in message > news:O6z5ScvQFHA.3704@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> There are many, many models that support the functionality you are asking >> about, and I don't understand why you are having difficulty locating >> some. >> See, for instance:
<font color=green> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://h50025.www5.hp.com/hpcom/au_en/11_29_64_3693summary.html</font" target="_blank">http://h50025.www5.hp.com/hpcom/au_en/11_29_64_3693summary.html</font</a>>
>> -- >> Jeff Richards >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) >> "CLR" <croberts RemoveThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:uxA4vWuQFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >> > Well now, that's very helpful information...........thank you kind >> > Lady......... >> > >> > I've seen ad's for Laptops that have self contained dual and even >> > triple >> > monitors......but only drawings, no pictures. Do you know if anyone >> > actually has one on the market? >> > >> > Vaya con Dios, >> > Chuck, CABGx3 >> > >> > >> > "PattyL" <pattyl RemoveThis @XXmvps.org> wrote in message >> > news:Of9P26qQFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >> >> I am using a Toshiba A75 S229 and multiple monitors work great with >> >> it. >> > It >> >> shipped with Windows XP so that's what I am using. >> >> >> >> I would guess that most, if not all, recent laptops support multiple >> >> monitors. The laptop that I purchased in early 2000 (Winbook) > supported >> >> multiple monitors with Win98. Because of it's age, no display drivers >> > were >> >> written for it for WinXP so it does not support multiple monitors on > XP. >> > My >> >> assumption is that if laptop manufacturers were supporting multimon in >> > 2000, >> >> then they are probably supporting it now. In any case, I'm sure that > you >> >> can find out from the manufacturer of any laptop that you are > interested >> > in. >> >> >> >> Probably the best resource for multiple monitor information is
<font color=brown> >> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/.</font" target="_blank">http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/.</font</a>>
>> >> >> >> PattyL >> >> >> >> "CLR" <croberts RemoveThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> news:ut%23TUNBQFHA.244@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> >> > Thanks for the info...........I guess I should have asked if anyone >> >> > owns >> > a >> >> > particular Make/Model laptop that is actually using Multiple >> >> > monitors.........I do consulting work and rarely does a client ever >> >> > provide >> >> > good computer equipment on site. I just want a reasonably good > laptop >> >> > with >> >> > extra flat-panel display that I can haul around. I have three > monitors >> > on >> >> > my system at home and just about can't get by anymore with a >> >> > one-tube >> >> > system >> >> > <g>. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks again.......... >> >> > >> >> > Vaya con Dios, >> >> > Chuck, CABGx3 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "msnews.microsoft.com" <James Hahn> wrote in message >> >> > news:uAhest$PFHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >> >> >> There are far too many makes and models on the market for anyone to > be >> >> > able >> >> >> to provide that sort of information, but when you do your research > for >> >> >> yourself, it will be helpful to try to get the terminology straight >> > (it's >> >> >> not easy). >> >> >> >> >> >> What you term 'real' is probably the mode where the desktop can be >> > spread >> >> >> across two or more physical displays to give you a single, large, >> > logical >> >> >> desktop that behaves like it's a single display. This is usually >> >> >> referred >> >> >> to as the extended desktop mode - the desktop is extended to cover > the >> >> >> display devices. MS also called it DualView, although they seem to >> > have >> >> >> stopped using this term (becasue it can be more than two). It >> >> >> requires >> > a >> >> >> display adapter for each display (although in some cases there >> >> >> might >> >> >> be >> >> > only >> >> >> one display card, there must always be a display adapter device for >> > each >> >> >> display) Windows manages the multiple adapters to give the >> >> >> extended >> >> > desktop >> >> >> effect. >> >> >> >> >> >> Laptops have almost always supported an external monitor > attachemmnt, >> > for >> >> >> instance to use when the laptop is being used at a desk. The image >> >> >> from >> >> > the >> >> >> inbuilt display is made available at a connector for an external >> > monitor. >> >> >> This is often referred to as clone mode, however since laptops have >> > been >> >> >> doing this for years, it is also often referred to as multiple > monitor >> > or >> >> >> similar, and this is where most of the confusion comes from. You > will >> >> > also >> >> >> see it described simply as 'external montor'. Laptops vary in > whether >> >> >> one >> >> >> or both displays can be active, but in either case there is just >> >> >> the >> >> > single >> >> >> image. >> >> >> >> >> >> Because laptops that support the extended desktop come with the >> >> >> dual >> >> > display >> >> >> drivers integrated into the system, they also often support a third >> > mode, >> >> >> where the multiple display monitors are driven by a single >> >> >> (logical) >> >> >> adapter, and Windows simply sees one very large screen. The effect > is >> >> >> very >> >> >> similar to the Windows extended desktop mode, but it can circumvent >> >> > problems >> >> >> with some applications (such as games) that cannot cope with the >> > extended >> >> >> desktop. However, it may have some restrictions that extended mode >> >> > doesn't >> >> >> have, such as only working properly when the monitors are > side-by-side >> >> >> (Windows extended mode can cope with monitors in any position). > This >> >> >> mode >> >> >> is usually called span or stretched mode. >> >> >> >> >> >> "CLR" <croberts RemoveThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:eVX9du5PFHA.3628@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> >> >> > Hi All......... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Can any one tell me please, of the current models of Laptops on > the >> >> >> > market, >> >> >> > which ones might support "real" Multiple Displays......not just a >> > clone >> >> > of >> >> >> > the flip-up screen.......... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Tks >> >> >> > Vaya con Dios, >> >> >> > Chuck, CABGx3 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:44 am
Post subject: Re: Laptops with Multiple Displays [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Thank youkind Sir........I would never have equated "Integrated Intel®
Extreme Graphics 2" as meaning "supports multiple monitors", but I guess we
live and learn.........thanks for the tip.........
And I also appreciate you pointing out ..........
>but you can find out for yourself just by > accessing the demonstration machine and checking in Device Manager that > there are two video display adapters installed, and checking in Display > Settings in Control Panel that there is an option to extend the desktop
onto
> the second monitor.
duh.........I guess I should have known that, just wasn't thinking.....
Thanks again for your time and good info....
Vaya con Dios,
Chuck, CABGx3
"Jeff Richards" <JRichards.RemoveThis@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:#8nd1U#QFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> The manufacturer's www sites, such as the one I referred to, contain the > complete description of the machines (Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2 > in this case), and you can access user manuals and technical
specifications
> if you need more detail. > > I would not recommend asking a "salesman" you might meet in a store, and > they seldom carry the necessary technical information. In some cases they > know how to get it from the www, but you can find out for yourself just by > accessing the demonstration machine and checking in Device Manager that > there are two video display adapters installed, and checking in Display > Settings in Control Panel that there is an option to extend the desktop
onto
> the second monitor. > -- > Jeff Richards > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > "CLR" <croberts.RemoveThis@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:emR1wf2QFHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > Hi Jeff.......... > > Thanks for responding, ......I went to the site you recommended and was > > not > > able to see any information about multiple display support. .....perhaps > > it > > was on some link I missed, or what? > > > > I am aware that there are "probably" many models out there that support > > multiple displays, but I don't seem to see much of it in their ad's, and > > when you ask a "salesman", his eyes just roll back in his head and drool > > starts flowing and he mutters "Multiple displays"?.......... > > > > I was hoping to get the recommendations from some actual multi-monitor > > users > > that had experience with specific models of laptops, either good or > > bad..........perhaps I didn't word my post well enough. > > I sure don't want to plunk down 1+large for a unit under the supposition > > that it will support multiple displays and then find out "of course it > > won't > > work very well with Excel, for example". > > > > All I want is to compile a list of model numbers of units that qualify, > > hopefully with recommendations or not, before I go shopping.......... > > > > Thanks again > > > > Vaya con Dios, > > Chuck, CABGx3 > > > > > > > > "Jeff Richards" <JRichards.RemoveThis@msn.com.au> wrote in message > > news:O6z5ScvQFHA.3704@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > >> There are many, many models that support the functionality you are
asking
> >> about, and I don't understand why you are having difficulty locating > >> some. > >> See, for instance:
<font color=brown> > >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://h50025.www5.hp.com/hpcom/au_en/11_29_64_3693summary.html</font" target="_blank">http://h50025.www5.hp.com/hpcom/au_en/11_29_64_3693summary.html</font</a>>
> >> -- > >> Jeff Richards > >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) > >> "CLR" <croberts.RemoveThis@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> news:uxA4vWuQFHA.4028@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > >> > Well now, that's very helpful information...........thank you kind > >> > Lady......... > >> > > >> > I've seen ad's for Laptops that have self contained dual and even > >> > triple > >> > monitors......but only drawings, no pictures. Do you know if anyone > >> > actually has one on the market? > >> > > >> > Vaya con Dios, > >> > Chuck, CABGx3 > >> > > >> > > >> > "PattyL" <pattyl.RemoveThis@XXmvps.org> wrote in message > >> > news:Of9P26qQFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > >> >> I am using a Toshiba A75 S229 and multiple monitors work great with > >> >> it. > >> > It > >> >> shipped with Windows XP so that's what I am using. > >> >> > >> >> I would guess that most, if not all, recent laptops support multiple > >> >> monitors. The laptop that I purchased in early 2000 (Winbook) > > supported > >> >> multiple monitors with Win98. Because of it's age, no display
drivers
> >> > were > >> >> written for it for WinXP so it does not support multiple monitors on > > XP. > >> > My > >> >> assumption is that if laptop manufacturers were supporting multimon
in
> >> > 2000, > >> >> then they are probably supporting it now. In any case, I'm sure
that
> > you > >> >> can find out from the manufacturer of any laptop that you are > > interested > >> > in. > >> >> > >> >> Probably the best resource for multiple monitor information is
<font color=brown> > >> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/.</font" target="_blank">http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/.</font</a>>
> >> >> > >> >> PattyL > >> >> > >> >> "CLR" <croberts.RemoveThis@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:ut%23TUNBQFHA.244@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > >> >> > Thanks for the info...........I guess I should have asked if
anyone
> >> >> > owns > >> > a > >> >> > particular Make/Model laptop that is actually using Multiple > >> >> > monitors.........I do consulting work and rarely does a client
ever
> >> >> > provide > >> >> > good computer equipment on site. I just want a reasonably good > > laptop > >> >> > with > >> >> > extra flat-panel display that I can haul around. I have three > > monitors > >> > on > >> >> > my system at home and just about can't get by anymore with a > >> >> > one-tube > >> >> > system > >> >> > <g>. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks again.......... > >> >> > > >> >> > Vaya con Dios, > >> >> > Chuck, CABGx3 > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "msnews.microsoft.com" <James Hahn> wrote in message > >> >> > news:uAhest$PFHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > >> >> >> There are far too many makes and models on the market for anyone
to
> > be > >> >> > able > >> >> >> to provide that sort of information, but when you do your
research
> > for > >> >> >> yourself, it will be helpful to try to get the terminology
straight
> >> > (it's > >> >> >> not easy). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> What you term 'real' is probably the mode where the desktop can
be
> >> > spread > >> >> >> across two or more physical displays to give you a single, large, > >> > logical > >> >> >> desktop that behaves like it's a single display. This is usually > >> >> >> referred > >> >> >> to as the extended desktop mode - the desktop is extended to
cover
> > the > >> >> >> display devices. MS also called it DualView, although they seem
to
> >> > have > >> >> >> stopped using this term (becasue it can be more than two). It > >> >> >> requires > >> > a > >> >> >> display adapter for each display (although in some cases there > >> >> >> might > >> >> >> be > >> >> > only > >> >> >> one display card, there must always be a display adapter device
for
> >> > each > >> >> >> display) Windows manages the multiple adapters to give the > >> >> >> extended > >> >> > desktop > >> >> >> effect. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Laptops have almost always supported an external monitor > > attachemmnt, > >> > for > >> >> >> instance to use when the laptop is being used at a desk. The
image
> >> >> >> from > >> >> > the > >> >> >> inbuilt display is made available at a connector for an external > >> > monitor. > >> >> >> This is often referred to as clone mode, however since laptops
have
> >> > been > >> >> >> doing this for years, it is also often referred to as multiple > > monitor > >> > or > >> >> >> similar, and this is where most of the confusion comes from. You > > will > >> >> > also > >> >> >> see it described simply as 'external montor'. Laptops vary in > > whether > >> >> >> one > >> >> >> or both displays can be active, but in either case there is just > >> >> >> the > >> >> > single > >> >> >> image. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Because laptops that support the extended desktop come with the > >> >> >> dual > >> >> > display > >> >> >> drivers integrated into the system, they also often support a
third
> >> > mode, > >> >> >> where the multiple display monitors are driven by a single > >> >> >> (logical) > >> >> >> adapter, and Windows simply sees one very large screen. The
effect
> > is > >> >> >> very > >> >> >> similar to the Windows extended desktop mode, but it can
circumvent
> >> >> > problems > >> >> >> with some applications (such as games) that cannot cope with the > >> > extended > >> >> >> desktop. However, it may have some restrictions that extended
mode
> >> >> > doesn't > >> >> >> have, such as only working properly when the monitors are > > side-by-side > >> >> >> (Windows extended mode can cope with monitors in any position). > > This > >> >> >> mode > >> >> >> is usually called span or stretched mode. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "CLR" <croberts.RemoveThis@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:eVX9du5PFHA.3628@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > >> >> >> > Hi All......... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Can any one tell me please, of the current models of Laptops on > > the > >> >> >> > market, > >> >> >> > which ones might support "real" Multiple Displays......not just
a
> >> > clone > >> >> > of > >> >> >> > the flip-up screen.......... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Tks > >> >> >> > Vaya con Dios, > >> >> >> > Chuck, CABGx3 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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