Firewall Router

PAT (Paul) wrote:
> Hi all
> I read Dapper Dan's bout with Router Firewall in this Forum. Since I've used
> this Forum for many years....here goes. Since free firewalls are becoming a
> thing of the past unless you go for those with 3 or 6 months 'trial' periods
> which you cant get rid of when the time is off, I asked for a ROUTER for my
> 80th bithday in october. I was thinking, why pay 39$ (can) every year, when
> I can buy a router for 59$. I don't pretend to understand the full saga
> that Dan had, but I'd like to have your opinion about using a router for a
> firewall.
> Or I'm I on the wrong track.

No, it's a good idea to have both with Windows. Most routers don't come
with the firewall enabled so you will have to go into the router to
enable it. See the written material that comes with it to know how. If
you're using XP, no need to buy a software one, use the one that comes
with XP. Another advantage to a router is that you can connect more than
one machine to the same Internet connection.

M

> And FWIW, if you connect up a 3rd party firewall and/or a router, they
> automatically turn the XP firewall off.

Modern ones do. Kerio 2.1.5 doesn't. I don't know about the other old ones,
as I don't consider any of them unobtrusive enough or light on resources to
run alongside other firewalls and/or solely for monitoring outbound traffic.

I've been running it continuously since before XP, on XP since '02, and with
a router w. firewall for the last 2 years.

The only point of running Windows Firewall in conjunction with a hardware
firewall is in the situation along the lines of: your router calls it a day
so you reconnect your old USB modem. If you've been running with no software
firewall for months, or even years, odds are you'll forget to turn it back
on, so - if it doesn't interfere with anything - leave it enabled. But
neither let you know what's trying to get out.


Shane

I'm a strong believer in both a router firewall and a good one (not MSs built
in) on the computer. Speaking of firewalls, don't listen to the ISP rep who
suggests using the same password for the router as the Administrator sign on.
Before the jokes about me using two condoms, yes I believe in protect,
protect, protect.
--
I mastered Wordstar graphics!


"Lucas Wader-Magneto" wrote:

>
> > And FWIW, if you connect up a 3rd party firewall and/or a router, they
> > automatically turn the XP firewall off.
>
> Modern ones do. Kerio 2.1.5 doesn't. I don't know about the other old ones,
> as I don't consider any of them unobtrusive enough or light on resources to
> run alongside other firewalls and/or solely for monitoring outbound traffic.
>
> I've been running it continuously since before XP, on XP since '02, and with
> a router w. firewall for the last 2 years.
>
> The only point of running Windows Firewall in conjunction with a hardware
> firewall is in the situation along the lines of: your router calls it a day
> so you reconnect your old USB modem. If you've been running with no software
> firewall for months, or even years, odds are you'll forget to turn it back
> on, so - if it doesn't interfere with anything - leave it enabled. But
> neither let you know what's trying to get out.
>
>
> Shane
>
>
>

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:33:29 +0100, Lucas Wader-Magneto wrote:

> And I do not get the widespread recommendation not to run a 3rd party
> firewall. In XP, Kerio 2.1.5 does not interfere with either the Windows
> Firewall or routers and why on earth anyone would *not* want something
> alerting one to malware trying to phone home (or without a 3rd party
> firewall, *actually* phoning home) I do not understand for one moment.

I got tired of those popups, and configured my firewall in such a way that I
did not see them; then realized that I was being sufficiently permissive as
to not catch malware that way, anyway. So I was negating that very feature
you flog as "protective". Just as well to not have that firewall as to
ignore those popups.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

> As for Kerio 2.l.5
> Shane is right cant be used, but I did for years on Win Me but hast
> been updated since Oct.06 and now its V. 4.x from Sunbelt and 3
> months trial.

No, it *can* be used. I've been running 2.1.5 - with Windows Firewall
enabled - in XP since pre-SP1. I have it running right now in SP3, with
Windows Firewall and a router with hardware firewall. Once upon a time - and
before the router, not that the router is a drain - this was with a measly
256MB RAM, without performance issues.

The Sunbelt continuation of Kerio PF is still free, it just runs in full
mode for however long (3 months?), after which if you don't want the extras
it continues in basic mode. I doubt it would be as compatible with Windows
Firewall as 2.1.5 is, so I would turn the latter off were I running it. And
I would be running it were it not for I only need one for monitoring
outboound traffic - and you can't get much less obtrusive than 2.1.5 (as you
doubtless know!).

I also use it - or variations thereof (2.1.4 - and the Tiny version) in
virtual machines that are themselves behind the router and running on XP
running 2.1.5 and WF!

Shane

"Corday" <10Swinner.DeleteThis@net.net> wrote in message
news:1030CFE4-387F-4CFE-88FA-734BEF07D64B@microsoft.com...
> I'm a strong believer in both a router firewall and a good one (not MSs
> built
> in) on the computer. Speaking of firewalls, don't listen to the ISP rep
> who
> suggests using the same password for the router as the Administrator sign
> on.
> Before the jokes about me using two condoms, yes I believe in protect,
> protect, protect.

Do you not provide the best protection yourself, Corday?
And I don't mean this to be a smart or funny remark either. <H>.

> --
> I mastered Wordstar graphics!
>
>
> "Lucas Wader-Magneto" wrote:
>
>>
>> > And FWIW, if you connect up a 3rd party firewall and/or a router, they
>> > automatically turn the XP firewall off.
>>
>> Modern ones do. Kerio 2.1.5 doesn't. I don't know about the other old
>> ones,
>> as I don't consider any of them unobtrusive enough or light on resources
>> to
>> run alongside other firewalls and/or solely for monitoring outbound
>> traffic.
>>
>> I've been running it continuously since before XP, on XP since '02, and
>> with
>> a router w. firewall for the last 2 years.
>>
>> The only point of running Windows Firewall in conjunction with a hardware
>> firewall is in the situation along the lines of: your router calls it a
>> day
>> so you reconnect your old USB modem. If you've been running with no
>> software
>> firewall for months, or even years, odds are you'll forget to turn it
>> back
>> on, so - if it doesn't interfere with anything - leave it enabled. But
>> neither let you know what's trying to get out.
>>
>>
>> Shane
>>
>>
>>