(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:41 pm
Post subject: Re: ActiveX's won't download in IE (no Info bar) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windows>inetexplorer>ie6>browser, others (more info?)
"Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> wrote in message
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> Has been like this for a long time. And I'm getting sick of it.
> It doesn't help turing off all security either (no prompting).
Instead of "no prompting" have you tried maximal prompting?
E.g. using Security tab, Custom Level... Security Settings dialog
change all settings which are currently Enable (green dot)
to Prompt. E.g. essentially type P, look for green dot beside Enable
and press Spacebar; repeat to end of options. Do that on both
systems, the one which works properly and the one which is failing.
Open the problem page on both systems, taking note of the number
and sequence of prompts. Compare results. If necessary,
you can do exactly the same thing with the Advanced Privacy Settings
dialog to ensure you are getting prompts for accepting Cookies too.
Even better if you have a script debugger would be tracing the scripts
as they are encountered. Unfortunately I haven't found a way just
to *record* the traced execution so that analysis can get a bit tedious.
> Seems like it doesn't even try downloading any ActivX'es.
> And I can't find where this setting is (have tried to compare
> registry with the laptop where ActiveX still can be downloaded).
Reminds me of trying to debug why I can't use the the Windows Update
Catalog--keep getting Administrators Only symptom and there is no
attempt as far as I can see to even check properly.
However, "compare registry" may not be the most effective way to do
such a comparison. What I would do is use RegMon and FileMon
and compare their traces on the two cases. To try to make the analysis
manageable you could start by using some fairly restrictive filtering,
e.g perhaps just checking to see which .dlls are being referenced.
Another thing to be aware of is that FileMon may only show you accesses
of the .dlls being loaded, so to be sure that you are capturing all such accesses
you probably will want to start the traces before any iexplore.exe is running.
If you have a specific scenario to trace others could try tracing it too
and see what common clues they come up with for it. E.g. if your
list of .dlls being loaded is different from their list that could be used
as a signal to see if that .dll is registerable and if so try re-registering it.
Etc.
(Msg. 26) Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:01 pm
Post subject: Re: ActiveX's won't download in IE (no Info bar) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"Lars-Erik Østerud" <.@.> schrieb:
>> Did you tried it with having the AV scanner uninstalled - at least
>> for test purposes?
>
> Yep, and the one PC doesn't have the same AV (and the third PC that
> works OK does have the same AV with same setting as the 2nd
So you did uninstall the AV scanner?
>> The same here: try uninstalling WebWasher temporary.
>
> Yep, on both PCs not working (3rd working PC also has WebWasher).
Uninstalled?
>> Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Internet Explorer\
>> Internet Control Panel\Security Page\Internet Zone
>> Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Internet Explorer\
>> Internet Control Panel\Security Page\Locked-Down Internet Zone
>> "Run ActiveX controls and plugins"
>>
>> Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Internet Explorer\
>> Security Features\Add-on Management
>>
>> Registry:
>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion
>> \Policies\Ext\CLSID
>
> What values should be here
For the Group Policies "not configured" and the registry key
shouldn't even exist if you don't use Group Policies.
> Also I tried reinstalling SP2. That didn't help either.
That won't help if the applications running in the background
causing the problem nor does it help if the registry/a GRPOL
is responsible for the problems you ran into.
BTW:
You've tried resetting the values for the Internet zone already,
didn't you? Does ActiveX work if you put a site into the Trusted
Sites zone?
(Msg. 27) Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:47 pm
Post subject: Re: ActiveX's won't download in IE (no Info bar) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Ottmar Freudenberger:
> > Yep, and the one PC doesn't have the same AV (and the third PC that
> > works OK does have the same AV with same setting as the 2nd >
> So you did uninstall the AV scanner?
Removed from system. No hooks to the OS. On the computer with avast!
On the other I can't do that (job PC where AV can't be uninstalled,
but again disabled, and on the other job PC with same AV things work)
> > Yep, on both PCs not working (3rd working PC also has WebWasher).
>
> Uninstalled?
On both non-working (on the working one WW is also installed btw).
> For the Group Policies "not configured" and the registry key
> shouldn't even exist if you don't use Group Policies.
That is right for all 3 systems.
> That won't help if the applications running in the background
> causing the problem nor does it help if the registry/a GRPOL
> is responsible for the problems you ran into.
All processes I can stop is stopped. What services/programs could
affect the download of ActiveX'es (the strange thing is that it is
only the download - if I copy the ActiveX'es from the working computer
they do run and work, IE just doesn't even try to download them
> You've tried resetting the values for the Internet zone already,
> didn't you? Does ActiveX work if you put a site into the Trusted
> Sites zone?
ActiveX'es run IF I copy them from another PC (that have downloaded
them). Had to do this to make Windows Update work at all :-/
The problem seems to be that IE doesn't try to download them. Not even
when the site is in the trusted zone. No Information bar, but that
might just be because IE6 doesn't try to download the ActiveX.
So what could "stop" IE6 from trying to download ActiveX'es. What
should I look for (registry and other things). Have removed AV, ZA and
WebWasher and that didn't help. Where else should I look?
--
Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
(Msg. 28) Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:01 pm
Post subject: Re: ActiveX's won't download in IE (no Info bar, no ActiveX dl) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windows>inetexplorer>ie6>browser, others (more info?)
Lars-Erik Østerud wrote:
> PA Bear:
>
> > Run a thorough check for hijackware, including posting your HijackThis
> > log to an appropriate forum for review by an expert, Lars-Erik.
>
> Reguallery use both Spybot S&D, AdAware, Microsoft Anti-Spyware and
> XsoftSpy. No one reports anything strange. What should I look for?
(Msg. 29) Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:04 pm
Post subject: RE: ActiveX's won't download in IE (no Info bar) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windows>inetexplorer>ie6>browser, others (more info?)
Lars-Erik,
I have the same problem. I am following all the advise you have been
getting, but also cannot find a solution. Please let me know if you find
something that works.
Tom
TomChrisTighe.DeleteThis@cs.com
"Lars-Erik Xsterud" wrote:
> I know I have been asking about this before, but I still haven't
> gotten this fixed: When accessing a site that need to download and
> install an ActiveX (like ZoneAlarms spyware scanner and Microsoft
> Update) I get an error that the ActiveX cannot be downloaded. I Do NOT
> get the "Yellow warning line" (Info bar/Security band) in IE6 allowing
> be to download the ActiveX. All security settings are OK (tried
> lowering them too). In fact I NEVER see the yellow Info bar warnings.
>
> Have talked to Microsoft in Norway as well. No solution so far.
> Have one XP Pro home and on XP Pro system at work suffering from this.
> Also have a system where it works OK, but can't find any differences.
>
> One non-working system has ZoneAlarm, one have no firewall > Both one working and one non-working have WebWasher (tried disabling)
>
> Anyone got any idea at all what is wrong with IE and the Info bar?
>
> Is there a way to reset the Info bar setting (reregister, reinstall)?
> --
> Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
> WinXP, Asus P4PE, 2.53 GHz, Asus V8420 (Ti4200), SB-Live!
>
(Msg. 30) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:08 pm
Post subject: Re: ActiveX's won't download in IE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Still haven't gotten anyway with this. But now I have a news laptop
with XP SP2 setup, and things work there (all setting the same
otherwise), AND I was wondering if anyone now what DLL's could affect
the ActiveX download. If you have any idea I could compare with the
new PC to see if there is any missing or wrong version DLL's...
--
Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:08 pm
Post subject: Re: ActiveX's won't download in IE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
A Web page that contains a custom ActiveX control may not load as expected
in Internet Explorer due to defense in depth changes introduced in
cumulative security update 896688 (MS05-052):
http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909738
Lars-Erik Østerud wrote:
> Still haven't gotten anyway with this. But now I have a news laptop
> with XP SP2 setup, and things work there (all setting the same
> otherwise), AND I was wondering if anyone now what DLL's could affect
> the ActiveX download. If you have any idea I could compare with the
> new PC to see if there is any missing or wrong version DLL's...
(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:13 pm
Post subject: Re: ActiveX's won't download in IE [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
PA Bear:
> ActiveX controls may not load as expected in Internet Explorer due to
> defense in depth changes introduced in cumulative security update 896688
> (MS05-052): http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909889
Problem is not loading them. If I copy from a PC that downloads
ActivX'es they work (had to do this with WindowsUpdate to make it
work). Problem is when accessing a web-site where a new ActiveX should
be downloaded. It is not. I don't even think it tries. Even when the
site is in "Trusted" and all settings lowered it doesn't get it
And I find no policies or registry entries (have checked all I know of
that can restrict download, and compared to the working system).
Also have tried all patches suggesten here and from Microsoft Norway.
(of, if only someone had a list of DLLs and regsitry entries that are
used in the process of downloading ActiveX, but not even Microsoft
sould get that they said - but obviously someone must know this
--
Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
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