(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:21 am
Post subject: Re: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windows>inetexplorer>ie6>browser, others (more info?)
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>VanguardLH wrote:
(had to be added manually since PA Bear incorrectly leaves the sigdash
delimiter BEFORE the quoted content - and many non-Microsoft NNTP
clients comply with RFC as to placement and will also strip the
signature from replies. OE has a registry hack to move the signature to
its proper position at the end of the reply.)
><snip>
>> Will DeltaSync be a published protocol that any programmer can follow to
>> add it to their own non-Microsoft e-mail client? Will the command set
>> needed for the client to communicate with the Hotmail servers be
>> disclosed?
><snip>
>
> Please ask your Windows Live Mail-specific question here:
> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
>
> Via the web-interface:
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.asp...g=micro >
> Via your newsreader:
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
Asking for documentation or an SDK for DeltaSync is not a question about
how to use the Windows Live Mail client.
(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:46 am
Post subject: Re: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>internetexplorer>general, others (more info?)
"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS RemoveThis @EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message news:uE8$QkYoIHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>
> >
> > NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access
> > their account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them.
>
>
> In fact Windows Live Mail allows you to access hotmail account free of
> charge even if it is a new account. The idea is MS wants everybody to
> use Windows Live Email. OE is a dated technology and it is time to put
> it in the museum!!
Live mail is auto-logging.... kisses the ass of Uncle Sam. Homeland Zecurity
loves it and wants *everyone* to use it.... makes everything much easier.
(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:43 pm
Post subject: Re: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windows>inetexplorer>ie6>browser, others (more info?)
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> It's not a question for IE- and/or OE-newsgroups either.
You mean the groups to which YOU chose to submit your original post.
(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:07 am
Post subject: Re: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
To correct myself...
Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other
clients such as Thunderbird.
I meant Hotmail PLUS customers are able to utilize POP3 as they currently
do...
--
Scott Hammer
Sr. Support Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
"Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
<WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:550DEA86-7C67-48A0-8CFF-87F280A171FB@microsoft.com...
> Hello All,
>
> I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have
> started on this thread.
>
> Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are
> doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox
> sizes.
> Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within
> DAV.
> DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle
> large
> accounts.
>
> This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False.
> Hotmail
> customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients
> such
> as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail,
> it
> is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to
> continue
> full access through your browser.
>
> Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user
> utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new
> OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is
> available
> through your browser.
>
>
> --
> Scott Hammer
> Sr. Supportability Program Manager
> Windows Live Mail Technologies
> Microsoft Corporation
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups;
>> Followup-To
>> set for OE General]
>>
>> Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
>> <quote>
>> As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will
>> no
>> longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders]
>> via
>> Outlook Express...
>> </quote>
>> Source:
>> http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry >>
>> ======================
>>
>> Please Note:
>>
>> 1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook
>> Express.
>>
>> 2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client
>> from
>> Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail.
>>
>> 3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just
>> Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any
>> unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows
>> Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the
>> installation!
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup:
>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
>>
>> Via the web-interface:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.asp...g=micro >>
>> Via your newsreader:
>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop >> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ >>
>>
(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:40 pm
Post subject: Re: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Windows Live Mail Technologies Support wrote:
> To correct myself...
>
> Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other
> clients such as Thunderbird.
>
> I meant Hotmail PLUS customers are able to utilize POP3 as they currently
> do...
>
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have
>> started on this thread.
>>
>> Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are
>> doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox
>> sizes.
>> Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within
>> DAV.
>> DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle
>> large
>> accounts.
>>
>> This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False.
>> Hotmail
>> customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients
>> such
>> as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail,
>> it
>> is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to
>> continue
>> full access through your browser.
>>
>> Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user
>> utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the
>> new
>> OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is
>> available
>> through your browser.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Scott Hammer
>> Sr. Supportability Program Manager
>> Windows Live Mail Technologies
>> Microsoft Corporation
>>
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>
>>> [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups;
>>> Followup-To
>>> set for OE General]
>>>
>>> Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
>>> <quote>
>>> As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you
>>> will
>>> no
>>> longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders]
>>> via
>>> Outlook Express...
>>> </quote>
>>> Source:
>>> http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry >>>
>>> ======================
>>>
>>> Please Note:
>>>
>>> 1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook
>>> Express.
>>>
>>> 2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client
>>> from
>>> Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail.
>>>
>>> 3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just
>>> Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any
>>> unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger;
>>> Windows
>>> Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the
>>> installation!
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup:
>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
>>>
>>> Via the web-interface:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.asp...g=micro >>>
>>> Via your newsreader:
>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop >>> --
>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net >>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:07 pm
Post subject: Re: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook E [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access their
account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them.
Thank you for this information. So does this mean that when the new changes
take place on 30 June that:
1-Only HTTP Hotmail will stop working with Outlook Express and POP3 access
will carry on as usual?
2- MSN Messenger will stop working unless live mail is installed?
3- One cannot install both live mail and outlook express?
I have a subscription hotmail account and currently access it with both POP3
and HTTP with simultaneous syncronization. I do not really wish to change to
windows live mail so I really hope that I can continue using Hotmail with
POP3. With the new changes I will miss not being able to access "Sent Items"
and "Bulk Mail" from Outlook Express on the HTTP server, but so be it.
(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:13 pm
Post subject: Re: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Expre [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"Windows Live Mail Technologies Support" <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:550DEA86-7C67-48A0-8CFF-87F280A171FB@microsoft.com...
>
> Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user
> utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new
> OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available
> through your browser.
>
>
> --
> Scott Hammer
> Sr. Supportability Program Manager
> Windows Live Mail Technologies
> Microsoft Corporation
Scott,
The above (1.8 or later) may be somewhat confusing to those having Office available but currently using OE for Hotmail.
b. On the same site and within the available downloadable *.doc/*.docx file for the current OL Connector is referred to as version
12.0
"Microsoft Office Outlook Connector 12.0"
(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:26 pm
Post subject: Re: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook E [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
If you're currently able to access your Hotmail account in OE or OL /via
POP3/ (e.g., as a Hotmail Plus subscriber or an Outlook Connector user), the
change will not affect you.
If you're currently able to access your Hotmail account in OE or OL /via
WebDAV/ (aka HTML) as a Hotmail Plus subscriber or an Outlook Connector
user, you must switch to POP3 access by 30 June 2008; see set-up instrux
here:
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry.
At some time in the near future, Outlook Connector users will have to
upgrade the application.
AFAIK MSN/Windows Live Messenger functionality is *not* dependant on having
Windows Live Mail installed. (There are specific newsgroups for both
Messengers where you can ask about this.)
One can have both Windows Live Mail and OE installed (in WinXP SP2) but only
one of them can be the default Mail Client. Installing Windows Live Mail in
WinXP SP2 will delete your shortcuts to OE in Start menu and Quick Launch
bar.
--
~PA Bear
Chris wrote:
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>> NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access their
>> account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them.
>
> Thank you for this information. So does this mean that when the new
> changes
> take place on 30 June that:
>
> 1-Only HTTP Hotmail will stop working with Outlook Express and POP3 access
> will carry on as usual?
> 2- MSN Messenger will stop working unless live mail is installed?
> 3- One cannot install both live mail and outlook express?
>
> I have a subscription hotmail account and currently access it with both
> POP3
> and HTTP with simultaneous syncronization. I do not really wish to change
> to
> windows live mail so I really hope that I can continue using Hotmail with
> POP3. With the new changes I will miss not being able to access "Sent
> Items"
> and "Bulk Mail" from Outlook Express on the HTTP server, but so be it.
>
> Kind Regards
> Chris
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