ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlo..

I can get free Hotmail in OE, hehehe!


ju.c


"VanguardLH" <V DeleteThis @nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:fu9iov$n1u$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>
>> [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups;
>> Followup-To
>> set for OE General]
>
> Note: FollowUp-To ignored. Reply posted to all newsgroups since,
> according to PA Bear, they should all be related groups in which
> continued discussion is on-topic.
>
>> Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook
>> Express
>> <quote>
>> As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you
>> will no
>> longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail
>> folders] via
>> Outlook Express...
>> </quote>
>> Source:
>> http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry
>
> Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after
> November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid
> accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live
> Mail
> client which has security flaws and defects just so they can push
> their
> Hotmail users to use a client and connect to their HTTP servers that
> now
> support DeltaSync (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeltaSync). All so
> Microsoft doesn't have to support already established e-mail protocols
> and lock their Hotmail users into using Microsoft e-mail clients.
>
> Well, the microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop group should be
> getting a lot more busy. Wonder how many will simply choose to dump a
> local e-mail client and just go with the Windows Live Hotmail "full"
> webmail interface? Might be what Microsoft intends to happen, anyway,
> so they can push their Ajax-enabled webmail interface.

Hello All,

I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have
started on this thread.

Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are
doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox sizes.
Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within DAV.
DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle large
accounts.

This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False. Hotmail
customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients such
as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail, it
is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to continue
full access through your browser.

Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user
utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new
OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available
through your browser.


--
Scott Hammer
Sr. Supportability Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To
> set for OE General]
>
> Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
> <quote>
> As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no
> longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via
> Outlook Express...
> </quote>
> Source:
> http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry
>
> ======================
>
> Please Note:
>
> 1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook
> Express.
>
> 2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client from
> Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail.
>
> 3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just
> Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any
> unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows
> Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the
> installation!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup:
> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
>
> Via the web-interface:
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.asp...g=micro
>
> Via your newsreader:
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
>

VanguardLH wrote:
<snip>
>> Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
>> <quote>
>> As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will
>> no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders]
>> via Outlook Express...
>> </quote>
>> Source:
>> http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry
>
> Hmm, so they dropped WebDAV access for freebie accounts created after
> November 2004. Now they're dropping WebDAV access even for paid
> accounts (any create date) and forcing users to their Windows Live Mail
> client...

NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access their
account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them.
--
~PA Bear

I'll top post, too, to keep the thread at least somewhat readable.

Taking what you say at face value, I'd like to suggest a few simple
changes which would make WLM easier to test-run, and leave less of a
"doing this to force people onto the client: false" impression...

1. Provide a bare no-strings-attached install. Right now, even the
mail-only option downloads some sign-in assistant and live updater.

Current workaround: pretend to install in a sandbox (e.g. VM), then
grab the WLM .MSI file once downloaded, and use that one to install
on the master machine.

2. Ask before importing existing accounts e.g. from OE, not everybody
needs/appreciates that being done automatically with no opt-out choice.

Current workaround for OE: create a dummy identity with no accounts, set
it as default before installing WLM.

3. Don't touch the existing windows update settings, and definitely not
without asking. WLM is (billed as) an email client, not a system nanny.

Current workaround: if auto-update was turned off before installing WLM,
turn it back off afterwards.

4. Don't steal the .EML and .NWS file associations without asking,
especially when WLM is _not_ set as the default client.

Current workaround: restore associations manually after WLM install.

The above notwithstanding, it is true that WLM can be run (for hotmail
access, for example) side-by-side with other email clients.


"Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
<WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:550DEA86-7C67-48A0-8CFF-87F280A171FB@microsoft.com...
> Hello All,
>
> I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have
> started on this thread.
>
> Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We
> are
> doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox
> sizes.
> Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen
> within DAV.
> DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently
> handle large
> accounts.
>
> This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False.
> Hotmail
> customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other
> clients such
> as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against
> Hotmail, it
> is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to
> continue
> full access through your browser.
>
> Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user
> utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the
> new
> OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is
> available
> through your browser.
>
> --
> Scott Hammer
> Sr. Supportability Program Manager
> Windows Live Mail Technologies
> Microsoft Corporation
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups;
>> Followup-To
>> set for OE General]
>>
>> Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook
>> Express
>> <quote>
>> As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you
>> will no
>> longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail
>> folders] via
>> Outlook Express...
>> </quote>
>> Source:
>> http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry
>>
>> ======================
>>
>> Please Note:
>>
>> 1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook
>> Express.
>>
>> 2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client
>> from
>> Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail.
>>
>> 3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than
>> just
>> Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK
>> any
>> unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger;
>> Windows
>> Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the
>> installation!
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup:
>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
>>
>> Via the web-interface:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.asp...g=micro
>>
>> Via your newsreader:
>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>>

"ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop.TakeThisOut@mailnator.com> wrote in message
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>I can get free Hotmail in OE, hehehe!
>

Well I can get free Hotmail in Thunderbird. So there.

ju.c wrote:

> I can get free Hotmail in OE, hehehe!

And it is after June 30, 2008 wherever you are? What planet would that
be?