PC failed - another system - now won't boot from HDD

On 2008-08-29, Bill in Co. hit the keyboard and wrote:

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> Come again? You're (essentially) using one right now, as contrasted with
> the Win9x line, if you're using WinXP.

No I'm *NOT* using any MS OS at ALL here at my own PC.


Dragomir Kollaric
--
"When science discovers the center of the universe, a lot of
people will be disappointed to find they are not it."
>> Bernard Baily <<

All I'm wanting to do is something that one would assume would be quite
easy.

System failure. Remove HDD. Put it in another (newer) PC. Presto away it
goes. Tweak to accommodate newer system.

I don't think that is too much to ask from NT based system or anything else.

Considering the resources that MS have, it is a shame that they do not
accommodate this or throw some resources to making it happen. Surely we can
have a generic fallback position for occasions such as this without loosing
many many hours of work - so far restoring my system has taken about 35
hours to get it all running up to speed. Now I remember that some IS depts.
have to 'pay' for downtime of PCs. If that were the case here, I'm sure MS
would come up with something quick smart.

Mark



"Bob I" <birelan.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Dragomir Kollaric wrote:
>
>> On 2008-08-28, Malke hit the keyboard and wrote:
>>
>>>Mark wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Malke
>>>>
>>>>Now I am panicking!
>>>>
>>>>Are you sure that is the case?
>>>>
>>>>To reinstall all the applications and get everything working is very
>>>>difficult and is not an acceptable option.
>>>>
>>>>In my opinion it is pretty poor that my computer can fail and I can't
>>>>put
>>>>my HDD into another and not get it to work.
>>>>
>>>
>>>There is nothing "poor" about this. That's the way computers and
>>>operating
>>>systems work. It isn't limited to Windows.
>>
>>
>> Sorry I peg to differ, with the OS of my choice, I could
>> very well transfer it from one PC with a complete different
>> hardware to a much older model. First PC was a AMD Athlon
>> 1800 the other was a PII with less then 600MB of Ram. The
>> only thing I needed to change was the driver for the
>> video-card, and that wasn't difficult.
>>
>> <cut>
>>
>> I've a Magazine here that contains instructions on how to
>> make a *back-up* copy of win95/98. It boils down simply to
>> copy the folders "Windows" and "System" and give them new
>> names. Now if something goes haywire, one can (I guess under
>> DOS) simply rename the 4 Folders, and get a working System
>> back in 5 minutes. Couldn't the same be done under XP? And
>> no I don't have the opportunity to try it myself....
>>
>
> Nope, thats not always possible in the NT operating systems, they are more
> stable than that. Under the old DOS systems you could do that, and that
> was one of the features that lead to their instability.
>

Mark wrote:
> All I'm wanting to do is something that one would assume would be quite
> easy.
>
> System failure. Remove HDD. Put it in another (newer) PC. Presto away it
> goes. Tweak to accommodate newer system.

No. There is no "presto" here, since all the hardware is different.

> I don't think that is too much to ask from NT based system or anything
> else.

Yeah, it is, since all the hardware is different, and all the preexisting
software has to somehow magically interface with that new hardware. So
when you put that HD in the new computer, what do you expect (unless it were
an *identical* computer)??? There is no intelligent life form in there to
be able to sort the whole mess out, and it IS a mess, with all that
different hardware. If you're lucky, you can run the repair option, and
hope for the best.

> Considering the resources that MS have, it is a shame that they do not
> accommodate this or throw some resources to making it happen. Surely we
> can
> have a generic fallback position for occasions such as this without
> loosing
> many many hours of work - so far restoring my system has taken about 35
> hours to get it all running up to speed. Now I remember that some IS
> depts.
> have to 'pay' for downtime of PCs. If that were the case here, I'm sure MS
> would come up with something quick smart.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> "Bob I" <birelan.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Bi2vtfCJHA.1628@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> Dragomir Kollaric wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-08-28, Malke hit the keyboard and wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Malke
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I am panicking!
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure that is the case?
>>>>>
>>>>> To reinstall all the applications and get everything working is very
>>>>> difficult and is not an acceptable option.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion it is pretty poor that my computer can fail and I can't
>>>>> put my HDD into another and not get it to work.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is nothing "poor" about this. That's the way computers and
>>>> operating systems work. It isn't limited to Windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry I peg to differ, with the OS of my choice, I could
>>> very well transfer it from one PC with a complete different
>>> hardware to a much older model. First PC was a AMD Athlon
>>> 1800 the other was a PII with less then 600MB of Ram. The
>>> only thing I needed to change was the driver for the
>>> video-card, and that wasn't difficult.
>>>
>>> <cut>
>>>
>>> I've a Magazine here that contains instructions on how to
>>> make a *back-up* copy of win95/98. It boils down simply to
>>> copy the folders "Windows" and "System" and give them new
>>> names. Now if something goes haywire, one can (I guess under
>>> DOS) simply rename the 4 Folders, and get a working System
>>> back in 5 minutes. Couldn't the same be done under XP? And
>>> no I don't have the opportunity to try it myself....
>>>
>>
>> Nope, thats not always possible in the NT operating systems, they are
>> more
>> stable than that. Under the old DOS systems you could do that, and that
>> was one of the features that lead to their instability.

On 2008-09-01, Mark hit the keyboard and wrote:
> All I'm wanting to do is something that one would assume would be quite
> easy.
>
> System failure. Remove HDD. Put it in another (newer) PC. Presto away it
> goes. Tweak to accommodate newer system.
>
> I don't think that is too much to ask from NT based system or anything else.

Have you read my previous post? I moved a complete installation from
one PC to another with a complete different Hardware. Unfortunately
for you this wasn't done with Windows, aren't you curios which OS
allows something like this?


>
> Considering the resources that MS have, it is a shame that they do not
> accommodate this or throw some resources to making it happen. Surely we can
> have a generic fallback position for occasions such as this without loosing
> many many hours of work - so far restoring my system has taken about 35
> hours to get it all running up to speed. Now I remember that some IS depts.
> have to 'pay' for downtime of PCs. If that were the case here, I'm sure MS
> would come up with something quick smart.

You forget, that the license is very restricted, I'm sure some-one
can fill you in.


>
> Mark
>


Dragomir Kollaric
--
"When science discovers the center of the universe, a lot of
people will be disappointed to find they are not it."
>> Bernard Baily <<

> aren't you curios which OS allows something like this?

Yes, Dragomir, I am, but have not had chance to get back to it. So which is
it?

I've used CPM, Unix, DR Dos, MS Dos and Windows from 1.1. Plus an old Midi
OS and a couple of proprietary systems in the mid '80s for special tasks -
can't remember names off hand.

As far as I know, all of these would do what I want except Win NT based
systems. Hence my frustration.

In the past of dropped HDD into many machines and away they go. Obviously,
not done in the last couple of yrs.

Cheers...


"Dragomir Kollaric" <Dragomir.DeleteThis@DK.org.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 2008-09-01, Mark hit the keyboard and wrote:
>> All I'm wanting to do is something that one would assume would be quite
>> easy.
>>
>> System failure. Remove HDD. Put it in another (newer) PC. Presto away it
>> goes. Tweak to accommodate newer system.
>>
>> I don't think that is too much to ask from NT based system or anything
>> else.
>
> Have you read my previous post? I moved a complete installation from
> one PC to another with a complete different Hardware. Unfortunately
> for you this wasn't done with Windows, aren't you curios which OS
> allows something like this?
>
>
>>
>> Considering the resources that MS have, it is a shame that they do not
>> accommodate this or throw some resources to making it happen. Surely we
>> can
>> have a generic fallback position for occasions such as this without
>> loosing
>> many many hours of work - so far restoring my system has taken about 35
>> hours to get it all running up to speed. Now I remember that some IS
>> depts.
>> have to 'pay' for downtime of PCs. If that were the case here, I'm sure
>> MS
>> would come up with something quick smart.
>
> You forget, that the license is very restricted, I'm sure some-one
> can fill you in.
>
>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
>
> Dragomir Kollaric
> --
> "When science discovers the center of the universe, a lot of
> people will be disappointed to find they are not it."
> >> Bernard Baily <<