Mail being misrouted (XP)

Malke <malke.DeleteThis@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> gene.DeleteThis@none.net wrote:
>
> > In XP/SP3, all of a sudden last night and this morning email to my
> > main account is being routed to Outlook instead of to my default email
> > client Sylpheed (it's also bypassing Mailwasher, which is set to
> > receive mail first for this account). The Outlook symbol is in the
> > notification tray and email is there. Also, I can send email
> > successfully to the Mailwasher/Sylpheed account from Yahoo mail, but all
> > attempts to forward the email that's gone to Outlook end up only being
> > received in Outlook, and not seen by MW/Sylpheed.
> >
> > I didn't change any settings and can't find any email settings that have
> > changed in XP, Mailwasher or Sylpheed. In years of computing using
> > non-MS mail programs, I've never seen this. Any ideas what might be
> > going on? Thanks.
> >
> > Gene
>
> This doesn't make sense. If you don't use Outlook, don't start it! Mail
> can't "go to" an email program that isn't running! As to what happened,
> probably you did some Office updates that made Outlook the default mail
> program. Just change it back to Sylpheed with the Set Program Access &
> Defaults in Control Panel.

No, it doesn't make sense, yet at least, but unfortunately it's
happening the way I described. Control Panel > Internet Options >
Programs was the first place I checked, and the email setting was
(and is) still for Sylpheed, as it has been for quite some time. The
Sylpheed and Mailwasher settings are correct as well. I hadn't done
anything to start Outlook, and AutoRuns Startup Manager found no
metnions of Outlook. There are three for Outlook Express, which had
been there for years without apparent effect (setup50.exe
(2) and shmgrate.exe, the NT user data migration tool). I disabled
those and rebooted. The last Office (2007) update was weeks ago. There
was a Win Defender defs update yesterday, but could that have caused
this? Right now, all new mail for my main account, except for those
Yahoo test sends, is coming in through Outlook. Perhaps something is
corrupted, but I'm not sure where to start.

Gene

gene.DeleteThis@none.net wrote:

> Malke <malke.DeleteThis@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > gene.DeleteThis@none.net wrote:
> >
> > > In XP/SP3, all of a sudden last night and this morning email to my
> > > main account is being routed to Outlook instead of to my default email
> > > client Sylpheed (it's also bypassing Mailwasher, which is set to
> > > receive mail first for this account). The Outlook symbol is in the
> > > notification tray and email is there. Also, I can send email
> > > successfully to the Mailwasher/Sylpheed account from Yahoo mail, but all
> > > attempts to forward the email that's gone to Outlook end up only being
> > > received in Outlook, and not seen by MW/Sylpheed.
> > >
> > > I didn't change any settings and can't find any email settings that have
> > > changed in XP, Mailwasher or Sylpheed. In years of computing using
> > > non-MS mail programs, I've never seen this. Any ideas what might be
> > > going on? Thanks.
> > >
> > > Gene
> >
> > This doesn't make sense. If you don't use Outlook, don't start it! Mail
> > can't "go to" an email program that isn't running! As to what happened,
> > probably you did some Office updates that made Outlook the default mail
> > program. Just change it back to Sylpheed with the Set Program Access &
> > Defaults in Control Panel.
>
> No, it doesn't make sense, yet at least, but unfortunately it's
> happening the way I described. Control Panel > Internet Options >
> Programs was the first place I checked, and the email setting was
> (and is) still for Sylpheed, as it has been for quite some time. The
> Sylpheed and Mailwasher settings are correct as well. I hadn't done
> anything to start Outlook, and AutoRuns Startup Manager found no
> metnions of Outlook. There are three for Outlook Express, which had
> been there for years without apparent effect (setup50.exe
> (2) and shmgrate.exe, the NT user data migration tool). I disabled
> those and rebooted. The last Office (2007) update was weeks ago. There
> was a Win Defender defs update yesterday, but could that have caused
> this? Right now, all new mail for my main account, except for those
> Yahoo test sends, is coming in through Outlook. Perhaps something is
> corrupted, but I'm not sure where to start.

P.S. I did just find an MS Outlook Custom Icon Handler (olkfstub.dll) in
start up, but that's also not new. The basic problem is mail is
all of a sudden not getting to Sylpheed/MW, which seem to be otherwise
working correctly, but being directed to Outlook. The reason why is
not apparent to me yet.

Gene

gene.RemoveThis@none.net wrote:


>> No, it doesn't make sense, yet at least, but unfortunately it's
>> happening the way I described. Control Panel > Internet Options >
>> Programs was the first place I checked, and the email setting was
>> (and is) still for Sylpheed, as it has been for quite some time. The
>> Sylpheed and Mailwasher settings are correct as well. I hadn't done
>> anything to start Outlook, and AutoRuns Startup Manager found no
>> metnions of Outlook. There are three for Outlook Express, which had
>> been there for years without apparent effect (setup50.exe
>> (2) and shmgrate.exe, the NT user data migration tool). I disabled
>> those and rebooted. The last Office (2007) update was weeks ago. There
>> was a Win Defender defs update yesterday, but could that have caused
>> this? Right now, all new mail for my main account, except for those
>> Yahoo test sends, is coming in through Outlook. Perhaps something is
>> corrupted, but I'm not sure where to start.
>
> P.S. I did just find an MS Outlook Custom Icon Handler (olkfstub.dll) in
> start up, but that's also not new. The basic problem is mail is
> all of a sudden not getting to Sylpheed/MW, which seem to be otherwise
> working correctly, but being directed to Outlook. The reason why is
> not apparent to me yet.

Once again, if you don't start Outlook it email can't "go to" it. So don't
start Outlook! Delete the Outlook entry in Startup.


Malke
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"Gerry" <gerry.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:

> Gene
>
> Posting by Bob Lucas in the microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
> newsgroup this morning ( about 8 hours ago)
>
> "Now for the bad news.
>
> I assume your installation of Outlook was included in the Microsoft
> Office Suite of programs (typically, Office 2003 or 2007).
>
> Provided you are using the recommended security settings on your
> computer, the Microsoft Update utility delivers and installs security
> updates at regular intervals. Security updates for Outlook 2003 / 2007
> usually include a monthly update to the Outlook Junk Mail Filter. Some
> "genius" at Microsoft has decided that updates to Outlook automatically
> change the default mail client to Outlook. Consequently, the problem
> will recur at regular intervals.
>
> There is no easy remedy. You could change the security settings, to
> prompt before installing updates. If you don't use Outlook, you could
> uninstall the program.
>
> Probably, the easiest solution would be to check your default account
> settings at regular intervals - and if necessary, re-set the default
> mail client to Outlook Express."


It helps a lot! My guess is that yesterday's Defender update did
the damage. I'll check out the Outlook newsgroup. In my case, the
default settings didn't change. After I disabled the Outlook Express
startup files in Autoruns and rebooted, the problem changed to some
mail coming in the default acct and some in Outlook.

Gene

"Gerry" <gerry.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:

> Gene
>
> Some more information.
>
> "It's a quite straightforward matter to customise Outlook 2003 so that
> installing patches doesn't change either the default mail client or
> address book. See KB933450 "Outlook 2003 is incorrectly configured as
> the
> default mail client every time that you perform an Office installation
> or
> Office update that modifies Outlook"
> (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933450). for details. The easiest
> method
> being to use regedit and look for the two 02:\ strings (Method C), one
> for
> mail and one for the address book (there is a third for the calendar),
> remove them (not the calendar entry) and then perform an Office/Outlook
> repair via Add/Remove Programs. The one difficulty is where the user
> has
> for deleted the MSOCache folder and is then asked to insert the Office
> CD
> which s/he has either lost or worse, with OEM installs, never
> possessed."
> Source: Mike Maltby

Thanks, Gerry. I have 2007, so I'll have to check applicability.
Looking up Office updates, the last system one was May 15. That makes
the timing of my troubles awfully curious.

Gene

Here's the 2007 bulletin: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/944290: The
default e-mail client is changed to Outlook 2007 after you install the
2007 Office system.

I installed it last fall, so maybe it had a delayed detonation
mechanism. ;-(

Gene

gene RemoveThis @none.net wrote:

> "Gerry" <gerry RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Gene
> >
> > Some more information.
> >
> > "It's a quite straightforward matter to customise Outlook 2003 so that
> > installing patches doesn't change either the default mail client or
> > address book. See KB933450 "Outlook 2003 is incorrectly configured as
> > the
> > default mail client every time that you perform an Office installation
> > or
> > Office update that modifies Outlook"
> > (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933450). for details. The easiest
> > method
> > being to use regedit and look for the two 02:\ strings (Method C), one
> > for
> > mail and one for the address book (there is a third for the calendar),
> > remove them (not the calendar entry) and then perform an Office/Outlook
> > repair via Add/Remove Programs. The one difficulty is where the user
> > has
> > for deleted the MSOCache folder and is then asked to insert the Office
> > CD
> > which s/he has either lost or worse, with OEM installs, never
> > possessed."
> > Source: Mike Maltby
>
> Thanks, Gerry. I have 2007, so I'll have to check applicability.
> Looking up Office updates, the last system one was May 15. That makes
> the timing of my troubles awfully curious.
>
> Gene