Installing XP-Pro

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:20:33 -0400, Bill Martin
<martin_spamtrap RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:

>
>On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:10:41 -0400, Bill Martin
><martin_spamtrap RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>I've got a Compaq C751NR laptop on which I'm trying to install XP-Pro
>>as a dual boot along with the Vista that it came with.
>>
>>Following instructions from the web, I used Vista to create a new,
>>empty D: "simple partition", rebooted, checked everything, and then
>>rebooted again with the XP-Pro disk in the DVD drive.
>>
>>The disk spins, various programs are read from it ok, and then when it
>>actually comes to the install point it tells me:
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Windows XP Professional Setup
>>
>> Setup did not find any hard disk drives installed in your computer.
>>
>> Make sure any hard disk drives are powered on and properly connected
>> to your computer, and that any disk-related hardware configuration
>> is correct. This may involve running a manufacurer-supplied
>> diagnostic or setup program.
>>
>> Setup cannont continue. To quit setup, press F3.
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Not a problem that I expected. With trembling hands I removed the XP
>>disk and rebooted the machine. It's still happy to boot Vista.
>>Obviously the hard drive does indeed work.
>>
>>Searching the web, I've found allusions to this issue, and that one
>>needs to somehow change BIOS settings to make it work. No clue what
>>settings however.
>>
>>Anybody seen this problem and risen above it?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Bill
>--------------------------------
>
>I did try going into BIOS and disabling native SATA support, but that
>didn't seem to make any difference.
>
>Bill
---------------------------------

Problem resolved.

I was wrong. The native SATA setting was the problem.

Bill

"Bill Martin" <martin_spamtrap RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
news:qvak94lfpb53iv553qn8rigcc9u76b120p@4ax.com...
> I've got a Compaq C751NR laptop on which I'm trying to install XP-Pro
> as a dual boot along with the Vista that it came with.
>
> Following instructions from the web, I used Vista to create a new,
> empty D: "simple partition", rebooted, checked everything, and then
> rebooted again with the XP-Pro disk in the DVD drive.
>
> The disk spins, various programs are read from it ok, and then when it
> actually comes to the install point it tells me:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Windows XP Professional Setup
>
> Setup did not find any hard disk drives installed in your computer.
>
> Make sure any hard disk drives are powered on and properly connected
> to your computer, and that any disk-related hardware configuration
> is correct. This may involve running a manufacurer-supplied
> diagnostic or setup program.
>
> Setup cannont continue. To quit setup, press F3.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Not a problem that I expected. With trembling hands I removed the XP
> disk and rebooted the machine. It's still happy to boot Vista.
> Obviously the hard drive does indeed work.
>
> Searching the web, I've found allusions to this issue, and that one
> needs to somehow change BIOS settings to make it work. No clue what
> settings however.
>
> Anybody seen this problem and risen above it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill


I'm not familiar with your laptop but I'd bet it has a SATA hard drive.

Early in the XP installation process you'll see a screen where you're told to
hit the F6 key to install a third party SCSI or RAID driver. What you're not
told is you also have to hit F6 to install drivers for the SATA controller on
your computer's motherboard. Usually these drivers can be obtained from the
computer or motherboard manufacturer's web site. The drivers need to be placed
on a floppy disk and the disk needs to be inserted in a floppy drive after you
hit the F6 key.

Supposedly, you can integrate the SATA drivers into your XP installation CD. I'm
not familiar with how this is done but you might take a look at these articles.

Install Windows XP on SATA without a Floppy
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Install-Windows-XP-On-SATA-Without-a-Fl...y-F6-47

http://www.digitgeek.com/how-to-slipstream-sata-drivers-into-xp-cd/

Since the odds are slim that your laptop has a floppy drive you might want to
consider running XP in a virtual environment using a program such as Microsoft's
Virtual PC 2007.

Microsoft Virtual PC 2007
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

Download Virtual PC 2007
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199...a3-afa2

A similar program is VirtualBox.

http://www.virtualbox.org/

Finally, I've never come across any method of dealing with this issue that
involved making changes to the BIOS settings.

Good luck

Nepatsfan

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:40:52 -0400, "Nepatsfan" <nepatsfan RemoveThis @SBXXXIX.com>
wrote:

>"Bill Martin" <martin_spamtrap RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:qvak94lfpb53iv553qn8rigcc9u76b120p@4ax.com...
>> I've got a Compaq C751NR laptop on which I'm trying to install XP-Pro
>> as a dual boot along with the Vista that it came with.
>>
>> Following instructions from the web, I used Vista to create a new,
>> empty D: "simple partition", rebooted, checked everything, and then
>> rebooted again with the XP-Pro disk in the DVD drive.
>>
>> The disk spins, various programs are read from it ok, and then when it
>> actually comes to the install point it tells me:
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Windows XP Professional Setup
>>
>> Setup did not find any hard disk drives installed in your computer.
>>
>> Make sure any hard disk drives are powered on and properly connected
>> to your computer, and that any disk-related hardware configuration
>> is correct. This may involve running a manufacurer-supplied
>> diagnostic or setup program.
>>
>> Setup cannont continue. To quit setup, press F3.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Not a problem that I expected. With trembling hands I removed the XP
>> disk and rebooted the machine. It's still happy to boot Vista.
>> Obviously the hard drive does indeed work.
>>
>> Searching the web, I've found allusions to this issue, and that one
>> needs to somehow change BIOS settings to make it work. No clue what
>> settings however.
>>
>> Anybody seen this problem and risen above it?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bill
>
>
>I'm not familiar with your laptop but I'd bet it has a SATA hard drive.
>
>Early in the XP installation process you'll see a screen where you're told to
>hit the F6 key to install a third party SCSI or RAID driver. What you're not
>told is you also have to hit F6 to install drivers for the SATA controller on
>your computer's motherboard. Usually these drivers can be obtained from the
>computer or motherboard manufacturer's web site. The drivers need to be placed
>on a floppy disk and the disk needs to be inserted in a floppy drive after you
>hit the F6 key.
>
>Supposedly, you can integrate the SATA drivers into your XP installation CD. I'm
>not familiar with how this is done but you might take a look at these articles.
>
>Install Windows XP on SATA without a Floppy
>http://news.softpedia.com/news/Install-Windows-XP-On-SATA-Without-a-Floppy-F6-47807.shtml
>
>http://www.digitgeek.com/how-to-slipstream-sata-drivers-into-xp-cd/
>
>Since the odds are slim that your laptop has a floppy drive you might want to
>consider running XP in a virtual environment using a program such as Microsoft's
>Virtual PC 2007.
>
>Microsoft Virtual PC 2007
>http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx
>
>Download Virtual PC 2007
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199-48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&displaylang=en
>
>A similar program is VirtualBox.
>
>http://www.virtualbox.org/
>
>Finally, I've never come across any method of dealing with this issue that
>involved making changes to the BIOS settings.
>
>Good luck
>
>Nepatsfan
>
-------------------------------------

Thanks for the info. Turns out that the BIOS settings are designed
for some native SATA mode that only Vista understands, but it also
allows me to disable that mode for "legacy" operating systems or some
such term which makes Vista run more slowly. Anyhow, I disable it and
XP-Pro seems to happily load.

However...

After it's loaded, the machine reboots but apparently it can't
properly handle the video drivers as I just get a few random text
blocks scattered about the screen. I have located the proper XP
driver for the machine (reputedly), but it's an executable EXE file
from HP. I don't really see any way to execute an EXE file when I
don't have control of the machine.

Is there some way to force XP to boot up in a simple text mode so I
can execute the file? The XP installation disk runs ok in text mode,
so XP should be able to also somehow. I've tried punching F5 and F8
with no help. I do get a quick message "Booting DOS mode" but then it
comes up with the video scrambled.

No floppy of course.

Am I overlooking the obvious somehow?

Bill

Bill, what version of vista?
If home premium, or above, and you are having probs with XP, try MS's
solution, Virtual PC.
Ms doesn't support it in Home Premium, but it works with it.
Install XP in a virtual machine.

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/97a74f0e-798d-45ff...bf-7fee
--
Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia


"Bill Martin" wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:40:52 -0400, "Nepatsfan" <nepatsfan.DeleteThis@SBXXXIX.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Bill Martin" <martin_spamtrap.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:qvak94lfpb53iv553qn8rigcc9u76b120p@4ax.com...
> >> I've got a Compaq C751NR laptop on which I'm trying to install XP-Pro
> >> as a dual boot along with the Vista that it came with.
> >>
> >> Following instructions from the web, I used Vista to create a new,
> >> empty D: "simple partition", rebooted, checked everything, and then
> >> rebooted again with the XP-Pro disk in the DVD drive.
> >>
> >> The disk spins, various programs are read from it ok, and then when it
> >> actually comes to the install point it tells me:
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Windows XP Professional Setup
> >>
> >> Setup did not find any hard disk drives installed in your computer.
> >>
> >> Make sure any hard disk drives are powered on and properly connected
> >> to your computer, and that any disk-related hardware configuration
> >> is correct. This may involve running a manufacurer-supplied
> >> diagnostic or setup program.
> >>
> >> Setup cannont continue. To quit setup, press F3.
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Not a problem that I expected. With trembling hands I removed the XP
> >> disk and rebooted the machine. It's still happy to boot Vista.
> >> Obviously the hard drive does indeed work.
> >>
> >> Searching the web, I've found allusions to this issue, and that one
> >> needs to somehow change BIOS settings to make it work. No clue what
> >> settings however.
> >>
> >> Anybody seen this problem and risen above it?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >
> >
> >I'm not familiar with your laptop but I'd bet it has a SATA hard drive.
> >
> >Early in the XP installation process you'll see a screen where you're told to
> >hit the F6 key to install a third party SCSI or RAID driver. What you're not
> >told is you also have to hit F6 to install drivers for the SATA controller on
> >your computer's motherboard. Usually these drivers can be obtained from the
> >computer or motherboard manufacturer's web site. The drivers need to be placed
> >on a floppy disk and the disk needs to be inserted in a floppy drive after you
> >hit the F6 key.
> >
> >Supposedly, you can integrate the SATA drivers into your XP installation CD. I'm
> >not familiar with how this is done but you might take a look at these articles.
> >
> >Install Windows XP on SATA without a Floppy
> >http://news.softpedia.com/news/Install-Windows-XP-On-SATA-Without-a-Floppy-F6-47807.shtml
> >
> >http://www.digitgeek.com/how-to-slipstream-sata-drivers-into-xp-cd/
> >
> >Since the odds are slim that your laptop has a floppy drive you might want to
> >consider running XP in a virtual environment using a program such as Microsoft's
> >Virtual PC 2007.
> >
> >Microsoft Virtual PC 2007
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx
> >
> >Download Virtual PC 2007
> >http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199-48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&displaylang=en
> >
> >A similar program is VirtualBox.
> >
> >http://www.virtualbox.org/
> >
> >Finally, I've never come across any method of dealing with this issue that
> >involved making changes to the BIOS settings.
> >
> >Good luck
> >
> >Nepatsfan
> >
> -------------------------------------
>
> Thanks for the info. Turns out that the BIOS settings are designed
> for some native SATA mode that only Vista understands, but it also
> allows me to disable that mode for "legacy" operating systems or some
> such term which makes Vista run more slowly. Anyhow, I disable it and
> XP-Pro seems to happily load.
>
> However...
>
> After it's loaded, the machine reboots but apparently it can't
> properly handle the video drivers as I just get a few random text
> blocks scattered about the screen. I have located the proper XP
> driver for the machine (reputedly), but it's an executable EXE file
> from HP. I don't really see any way to execute an EXE file when I
> don't have control of the machine.
>
> Is there some way to force XP to boot up in a simple text mode so I
> can execute the file? The XP installation disk runs ok in text mode,
> so XP should be able to also somehow. I've tried punching F5 and F8
> with no help. I do get a quick message "Booting DOS mode" but then it
> comes up with the video scrambled.
>
> No floppy of course.
>
> Am I overlooking the obvious somehow?
>
> Bill
>

"Bill Martin" <martin_spamtrap RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
news:8afk94dqgl92tu4upc5dpksfk42bc32r59@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:40:52 -0400, "Nepatsfan" <nepatsfan RemoveThis @SBXXXIX.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Bill Martin" <martin_spamtrap RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:qvak94lfpb53iv553qn8rigcc9u76b120p@4ax.com...
>>> I've got a Compaq C751NR laptop on which I'm trying to install XP-Pro
>>> as a dual boot along with the Vista that it came with.
>>>
>>> Following instructions from the web, I used Vista to create a new,
>>> empty D: "simple partition", rebooted, checked everything, and then
>>> rebooted again with the XP-Pro disk in the DVD drive.
>>>
>>> The disk spins, various programs are read from it ok, and then when it
>>> actually comes to the install point it tells me:
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Windows XP Professional Setup
>>>
>>> Setup did not find any hard disk drives installed in your computer.
>>>
>>> Make sure any hard disk drives are powered on and properly connected
>>> to your computer, and that any disk-related hardware configuration
>>> is correct. This may involve running a manufacurer-supplied
>>> diagnostic or setup program.
>>>
>>> Setup cannont continue. To quit setup, press F3.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Not a problem that I expected. With trembling hands I removed the XP
>>> disk and rebooted the machine. It's still happy to boot Vista.
>>> Obviously the hard drive does indeed work.
>>>
>>> Searching the web, I've found allusions to this issue, and that one
>>> needs to somehow change BIOS settings to make it work. No clue what
>>> settings however.
>>>
>>> Anybody seen this problem and risen above it?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>>
>>I'm not familiar with your laptop but I'd bet it has a SATA hard drive.
>>
>>Early in the XP installation process you'll see a screen where you're told to
>>hit the F6 key to install a third party SCSI or RAID driver. What you're not
>>told is you also have to hit F6 to install drivers for the SATA controller on
>>your computer's motherboard. Usually these drivers can be obtained from the
>>computer or motherboard manufacturer's web site. The drivers need to be placed
>>on a floppy disk and the disk needs to be inserted in a floppy drive after you
>>hit the F6 key.
>>
>>Supposedly, you can integrate the SATA drivers into your XP installation CD.
>>I'm
>>not familiar with how this is done but you might take a look at these
>>articles.
>>
>>Install Windows XP on SATA without a Floppy
>>http://news.softpedia.com/news/Install-Windows-XP-On-SATA-Without-a-Floppy-F6-47807.shtml
>>
>>http://www.digitgeek.com/how-to-slipstream-sata-drivers-into-xp-cd/
>>
>>Since the odds are slim that your laptop has a floppy drive you might want to
>>consider running XP in a virtual environment using a program such as
>>Microsoft's
>>Virtual PC 2007.
>>
>>Microsoft Virtual PC 2007
>>http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx
>>
>>Download Virtual PC 2007
>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199-48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&displaylang=en
>>
>>A similar program is VirtualBox.
>>
>>http://www.virtualbox.org/
>>
>>Finally, I've never come across any method of dealing with this issue that
>>involved making changes to the BIOS settings.
>>
>>Good luck
>>
>>Nepatsfan
>>
> -------------------------------------
>
> Thanks for the info. Turns out that the BIOS settings are designed
> for some native SATA mode that only Vista understands, but it also
> allows me to disable that mode for "legacy" operating systems or some
> such term which makes Vista run more slowly. Anyhow, I disable it and
> XP-Pro seems to happily load.
>
> However...
>
> After it's loaded, the machine reboots but apparently it can't
> properly handle the video drivers as I just get a few random text
> blocks scattered about the screen. I have located the proper XP
> driver for the machine (reputedly), but it's an executable EXE file
> from HP. I don't really see any way to execute an EXE file when I
> don't have control of the machine.
>
> Is there some way to force XP to boot up in a simple text mode so I
> can execute the file? The XP installation disk runs ok in text mode,
> so XP should be able to also somehow. I've tried punching F5 and F8
> with no help. I do get a quick message "Booting DOS mode" but then it
> comes up with the video scrambled.
>
> No floppy of course.
>
> Am I overlooking the obvious somehow?
>
> Bill


I'm not sure I follow what's happening. When are you losing the display? Is it
after the file copy portion of the XP installation? If that's the case, the only
thing I can think of to try is to check the video settings in the BIOS and see
if changing them gets the installation to proceed to the GUI portion of setup.
You'll want to note the current settings in the BIOS in case you need to reset
them later.

Nepatsfan

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 02:29:00 -0700, Mick Murphy
<MickMurphy.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Bill, what version of vista?
>If home premium, or above, and you are having probs with XP, try MS's
>solution, Virtual PC.
>Ms doesn't support it in Home Premium, but it works with it.
>Install XP in a virtual machine.
>
>http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/97a74f0e-798d-45ff-b9bf-7feed68c40e51033.mspx

---------------------------------------

I don't understand how this helps Mick. I'm trying to get rid of
Vista, not use it as an underlayment to XP. Or do you mean to just
use it temporarily somehow to get the XP drivers loaded so that XP can
then stand on its own?

Bill