SERIOUS HDD PROBLEM - NUKED XP - CAN'T GET WINDOWS GOING A..

Neil,

The Shock page was very helpful, thanks. But, one step forward, three back!
I've used KNOPPIX to copy my C: drive to another HDD directory (E, then,
reformatted C: and reinstalled XP/SP2 with no significant issues. But now,
having reinstalled W/XP I can't get KNOPPIX to boot from the CD to enable me
to restore the backed up original C: files from E:.

I've checked the BIOS setup, boot from CD is first priority but no luck,
keeps booting into W/XP from the reformatted C: HDD (drive 0). So, I can't
restore my W/XP files from the E: HDD backup I made under KNOPPIX. DOH!!

Also, W/XP doesn't acknowledge D: and E: HDD's (Drives 1 & 2). It does see
the CD/DVD Drive (D.

Any suggestions?

Geoff

"neil" <neilp67_ RemoveThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VGIkk.27$Lw1.17@newsfe29.ams2...
> Have a look at this webpage http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/
> someone has gone to a lot of trouble in detailing recovering data. I think
> it's a good place to start and see if you can follow the advice to recover
> your data.
> I know I've used the disk before myself but to remember each step could
take
> a while.
> best of luck
> Neil
> PS post back on your progress.
>
> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot RemoveThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23SzaxK88IHA.356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > Neil,
> >
> > WOW! Impressive! I've created a KNOPPIX Boot Image CD and it booted my
PC
> > in literally a few seconds, but I'm afraid I may have opened Aladdin's
> > Cave,
> > or maybe even Pandora's Box! Where to start, there's so much to see
here?
> > I know, given that it's now 8.30pm Friday I'll go open that bottle of
wine
> > and resume in the morning.
> >
> > By tomorrow morning, you may have read this post and offered me some
> > suggestions about getting started on resurrecting my ailing HDD.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > "neil" <neilp67_ RemoveThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:P6mkk.132574$oo.8167@newsfe09.ams2...
> >> Did you look at the knoppix option.
> >> Neil
> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot RemoveThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ewkwpuc8IHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> > Philo, Neil, et al (BTW, who's Al?)
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for your suggestions but I'm still in the dark as to why W/XP
> > does
> >> > this wierdo logon/logoff thing, as described in my original post. I
> > think
> >> > I
> >> > still need to get the old C: drive cranked up so I can do the
transfer
> > to
> >> > the D:/E: drives and get the old C: drive ready for burial.
> >> >
> >> > So, is there a file that I could restore from the backup or repair
> >> > directories that will get me past the "Windows is loading your
personal
> >> > settings" stage?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Geoff
> >> >
> >> > "GeoffWHere" <gumboot RemoveThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:ubkRzB77IHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >> My C: drive has dropped plenty of bad sectors and much of XP went
down
> >> >> the
> >> >> drain with them. I have an identical (32GB) D: with some program
and
> >> >> data
> >> >> files on it that could be either sacrificed or copied to my 200GB E:
> >> >> drive
> >> >> but none of this can be achieved without resurrecturing XP enough to
> >> >> A)
> >> > See
> >> >> the D/E: drives and B) shift the files around so I can get the
> > remainder
> >> > of
> >> >> XP across to the replacement (D drive.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've been through the Repair Install procedure as detailed by MS-MVP
> >> > Michael
> >> >> Stevens, including the link to Charlie White's article "Windows XP
> >> > Crashed"
> >> >> and the additional suggestions from MVP Alex Nichol, all to no
avail.
> >> >>
> >> >> When following Charlie White's process, I get to PART 2 where it's
> >> >> time
> >> >> to
> >> >> reboot into W/XP and, after I enter the Administrator's password,
the
> >> > system
> >> >> says it's loading personal settings and, after a pause, says it's
> > logging
> >> >> off - back to the log in screen.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've tried to get into Safe Mode but get the same problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there any other magic I might use to at least get my Xp running
> > enough
> >> > to
> >> >> get the stuff of the C: drive before I bury it?
> >> >>
> >> >> My biggest concern is wiping out my Outlook mail file and other
> >> >> documents/pics, etc that might get lost, not to mention going
through
> >> >> a
> >> >> clean install and the time/pain involved with that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Can anybody offer assistance resolving this disaster?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> >> Geoff
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Hi,
Is this a new "C:\" drive or have you just reformatted the old one. What I'm
thinking is if you have replaced the drive then have you checked all your
cables and hard drive links for master & slave.

If you just copied the files from the original "C:\" drive to a folder on
another drive then you should be able to copy them back in windows if you
can get windows to recognise the drives.

Did you have the other drives connected when you reinstalled windows.?

Have you checked device manager to see if the other drives are listed as
devices.?

Right click "my computer" and select "manage" then go to "disk management",
if there are all the drives there then you need to "assign a drive letter".

see how you go on.
Neil
"GeoffWHere" <gumboot RemoveThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
news:uIPlyeI9IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Neil,
>
> The Shock page was very helpful, thanks. But, one step forward, three
> back!
> I've used KNOPPIX to copy my C: drive to another HDD directory (E, then,
> reformatted C: and reinstalled XP/SP2 with no significant issues. But
> now,
> having reinstalled W/XP I can't get KNOPPIX to boot from the CD to enable
> me
> to restore the backed up original C: files from E:.
>
> I've checked the BIOS setup, boot from CD is first priority but no luck,
> keeps booting into W/XP from the reformatted C: HDD (drive 0). So, I can't
> restore my W/XP files from the E: HDD backup I made under KNOPPIX. DOH!!
>
> Also, W/XP doesn't acknowledge D: and E: HDD's (Drives 1 & 2). It does see
> the CD/DVD Drive (D.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Geoff
>
> "neil" <neilp67_ RemoveThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:VGIkk.27$Lw1.17@newsfe29.ams2...
>> Have a look at this webpage http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/
>> someone has gone to a lot of trouble in detailing recovering data. I
>> think
>> it's a good place to start and see if you can follow the advice to
>> recover
>> your data.
>> I know I've used the disk before myself but to remember each step could
> take
>> a while.
>> best of luck
>> Neil
>> PS post back on your progress.
>>
>> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot RemoveThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23SzaxK88IHA.356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > Neil,
>> >
>> > WOW! Impressive! I've created a KNOPPIX Boot Image CD and it booted my
> PC
>> > in literally a few seconds, but I'm afraid I may have opened Aladdin's
>> > Cave,
>> > or maybe even Pandora's Box! Where to start, there's so much to see
> here?
>> > I know, given that it's now 8.30pm Friday I'll go open that bottle of
> wine
>> > and resume in the morning.
>> >
>> > By tomorrow morning, you may have read this post and offered me some
>> > suggestions about getting started on resurrecting my ailing HDD.
>> >
>> > Geoff
>> >
>> > "neil" <neilp67_ RemoveThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:P6mkk.132574$oo.8167@newsfe09.ams2...
>> >> Did you look at the knoppix option.
>> >> Neil
>> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot RemoveThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:ewkwpuc8IHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Philo, Neil, et al (BTW, who's Al?)
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for your suggestions but I'm still in the dark as to why W/XP
>> > does
>> >> > this wierdo logon/logoff thing, as described in my original post. I
>> > think
>> >> > I
>> >> > still need to get the old C: drive cranked up so I can do the
> transfer
>> > to
>> >> > the D:/E: drives and get the old C: drive ready for burial.
>> >> >
>> >> > So, is there a file that I could restore from the backup or repair
>> >> > directories that will get me past the "Windows is loading your
> personal
>> >> > settings" stage?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Geoff
>> >> >
>> >> > "GeoffWHere" <gumboot RemoveThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:ubkRzB77IHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> My C: drive has dropped plenty of bad sectors and much of XP went
> down
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> drain with them. I have an identical (32GB) D: with some program
> and
>> >> >> data
>> >> >> files on it that could be either sacrificed or copied to my 200GB
>> >> >> E:
>> >> >> drive
>> >> >> but none of this can be achieved without resurrecturing XP enough
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> A)
>> >> > See
>> >> >> the D/E: drives and B) shift the files around so I can get the
>> > remainder
>> >> > of
>> >> >> XP across to the replacement (D drive.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've been through the Repair Install procedure as detailed by
>> >> >> MS-MVP
>> >> > Michael
>> >> >> Stevens, including the link to Charlie White's article "Windows XP
>> >> > Crashed"
>> >> >> and the additional suggestions from MVP Alex Nichol, all to no
> avail.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When following Charlie White's process, I get to PART 2 where it's
>> >> >> time
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> reboot into W/XP and, after I enter the Administrator's password,
> the
>> >> > system
>> >> >> says it's loading personal settings and, after a pause, says it's
>> > logging
>> >> >> off - back to the log in screen.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've tried to get into Safe Mode but get the same problem.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there any other magic I might use to at least get my Xp running
>> > enough
>> >> > to
>> >> >> get the stuff of the C: drive before I bury it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My biggest concern is wiping out my Outlook mail file and other
>> >> >> documents/pics, etc that might get lost, not to mention going
> through
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> clean install and the time/pain involved with that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can anybody offer assistance resolving this disaster?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks in advance,
>> >> >> Geoff
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Hi Neil,

Thanks again for your intuitive thoughts - I had suspected during my
sleepness night prior to your last suggestion that my 'phantom' HDDs were
just missing because of some dumb thing around XP and, sure enough,
following your suggestion about the My Comuter Manage program, I was able to
get these drives back into the XP environment. After a bit of frustrating
fooling around and, because I couldn't see these other drives that contained
my backed up C: files, I reinstalled W/XP from scratch to the newly zeroed
(Seagate Tools did that for me) and formatted (using XP), hopefully
resurrected original C: drive. When I get through all this, I plan to
replace this drive with my (identical) D: drive and then replace the D:
drive with another high capacity drive, but that's for later.

I was panicking a bit after I got the D/E: drives back into XP because
Explorer couldn't see the files that KNOPPIX had copied from C: to E: but,
now that I've rebooted under KNOPPIX hey presto!, there they are.

The challenge now is which ones to restore back to C Certainly my Office
Outlook mail files and any 'My Documents' files that I need can probably
just go straight across to C: but what else (where do I find the Outlook
mailbox?)? Maybe I'm better off, apart from these essential files, to just
reinstall my applications rather than ending up with a mish-mashed registry
etc. I'd welcome your thoughts here.

Also, because XP couldn't see the file I backed up with KNOPPIX from C: to
E:, how do I ensure XP can see them after I restore them to C

Thanks agin,
Geoff

"neil" <neilp67_.DeleteThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ICWkk.372$8w4.239@newsfe30.ams2...
> Hi,
> Is this a new "C:\" drive or have you just reformatted the old one. What
I'm
> thinking is if you have replaced the drive then have you checked all your
> cables and hard drive links for master & slave.
>
> If you just copied the files from the original "C:\" drive to a folder on
> another drive then you should be able to copy them back in windows if you
> can get windows to recognise the drives.
>
> Did you have the other drives connected when you reinstalled windows.?
>
> Have you checked device manager to see if the other drives are listed as
> devices.?
>
> Right click "my computer" and select "manage" then go to "disk
management",
> if there are all the drives there then you need to "assign a drive
letter".
>
> see how you go on.
> Neil
> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.DeleteThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uIPlyeI9IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > Neil,
> >
> > The Shock page was very helpful, thanks. But, one step forward, three
> > back!
> > I've used KNOPPIX to copy my C: drive to another HDD directory (E,
then,
> > reformatted C: and reinstalled XP/SP2 with no significant issues. But
> > now,
> > having reinstalled W/XP I can't get KNOPPIX to boot from the CD to
enable
> > me
> > to restore the backed up original C: files from E:.
> >
> > I've checked the BIOS setup, boot from CD is first priority but no luck,
> > keeps booting into W/XP from the reformatted C: HDD (drive 0). So, I
can't
> > restore my W/XP files from the E: HDD backup I made under KNOPPIX.
DOH!!
> >
> > Also, W/XP doesn't acknowledge D: and E: HDD's (Drives 1 & 2). It does
see
> > the CD/DVD Drive (D.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > "neil" <neilp67_.DeleteThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:VGIkk.27$Lw1.17@newsfe29.ams2...
> >> Have a look at this webpage http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/
> >> someone has gone to a lot of trouble in detailing recovering data. I
> >> think
> >> it's a good place to start and see if you can follow the advice to
> >> recover
> >> your data.
> >> I know I've used the disk before myself but to remember each step could
> > take
> >> a while.
> >> best of luck
> >> Neil
> >> PS post back on your progress.
> >>
> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.DeleteThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:%23SzaxK88IHA.356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> > Neil,
> >> >
> >> > WOW! Impressive! I've created a KNOPPIX Boot Image CD and it booted
my
> > PC
> >> > in literally a few seconds, but I'm afraid I may have opened
Aladdin's
> >> > Cave,
> >> > or maybe even Pandora's Box! Where to start, there's so much to see
> > here?
> >> > I know, given that it's now 8.30pm Friday I'll go open that bottle of
> > wine
> >> > and resume in the morning.
> >> >
> >> > By tomorrow morning, you may have read this post and offered me some
> >> > suggestions about getting started on resurrecting my ailing HDD.
> >> >
> >> > Geoff
> >> >
> >> > "neil" <neilp67_.DeleteThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:P6mkk.132574$oo.8167@newsfe09.ams2...
> >> >> Did you look at the knoppix option.
> >> >> Neil
> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.DeleteThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:ewkwpuc8IHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Philo, Neil, et al (BTW, who's Al?)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks for your suggestions but I'm still in the dark as to why
W/XP
> >> > does
> >> >> > this wierdo logon/logoff thing, as described in my original post.
I
> >> > think
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > still need to get the old C: drive cranked up so I can do the
> > transfer
> >> > to
> >> >> > the D:/E: drives and get the old C: drive ready for burial.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, is there a file that I could restore from the backup or repair
> >> >> > directories that will get me past the "Windows is loading your
> > personal
> >> >> > settings" stage?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> > Geoff
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.DeleteThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:ubkRzB77IHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> My C: drive has dropped plenty of bad sectors and much of XP went
> > down
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> drain with them. I have an identical (32GB) D: with some program
> > and
> >> >> >> data
> >> >> >> files on it that could be either sacrificed or copied to my 200GB
> >> >> >> E:
> >> >> >> drive
> >> >> >> but none of this can be achieved without resurrecturing XP enough
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> A)
> >> >> > See
> >> >> >> the D/E: drives and B) shift the files around so I can get the
> >> > remainder
> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> XP across to the replacement (D drive.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've been through the Repair Install procedure as detailed by
> >> >> >> MS-MVP
> >> >> > Michael
> >> >> >> Stevens, including the link to Charlie White's article "Windows
XP
> >> >> > Crashed"
> >> >> >> and the additional suggestions from MVP Alex Nichol, all to no
> > avail.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> When following Charlie White's process, I get to PART 2 where
it's
> >> >> >> time
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> reboot into W/XP and, after I enter the Administrator's password,
> > the
> >> >> > system
> >> >> >> says it's loading personal settings and, after a pause, says it's
> >> > logging
> >> >> >> off - back to the log in screen.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've tried to get into Safe Mode but get the same problem.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is there any other magic I might use to at least get my Xp
running
> >> > enough
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> get the stuff of the C: drive before I bury it?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My biggest concern is wiping out my Outlook mail file and other
> >> >> >> documents/pics, etc that might get lost, not to mention going
> > through
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> clean install and the time/pain involved with that.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can anybody offer assistance resolving this disaster?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> >> >> Geoff
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Did you just copy the files to folder using knoppix.?

You may need to "take ownership" of the files or folder on the other drive
after doing a fresh install of Windows. Use "help & support" on the start
menu and look up "take ownership" (no quotes).

Just run through the routine you used when using the knoppix disk.

Neil

"GeoffWHere" <gumboot.RemoveThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
news:eCjgqhd9IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Hi Neil,
>
> Thanks again for your intuitive thoughts - I had suspected during my
> sleepness night prior to your last suggestion that my 'phantom' HDDs were
> just missing because of some dumb thing around XP and, sure enough,
> following your suggestion about the My Comuter Manage program, I was able
> to
> get these drives back into the XP environment. After a bit of frustrating
> fooling around and, because I couldn't see these other drives that
> contained
> my backed up C: files, I reinstalled W/XP from scratch to the newly zeroed
> (Seagate Tools did that for me) and formatted (using XP), hopefully
> resurrected original C: drive. When I get through all this, I plan to
> replace this drive with my (identical) D: drive and then replace the D:
> drive with another high capacity drive, but that's for later.
>
> I was panicking a bit after I got the D/E: drives back into XP because
> Explorer couldn't see the files that KNOPPIX had copied from C: to E: but,
> now that I've rebooted under KNOPPIX hey presto!, there they are.
>
> The challenge now is which ones to restore back to C Certainly my
> Office
> Outlook mail files and any 'My Documents' files that I need can probably
> just go straight across to C: but what else (where do I find the Outlook
> mailbox?)? Maybe I'm better off, apart from these essential files, to
> just
> reinstall my applications rather than ending up with a mish-mashed
> registry
> etc. I'd welcome your thoughts here.
>
> Also, because XP couldn't see the file I backed up with KNOPPIX from C: to
> E:, how do I ensure XP can see them after I restore them to C
>
> Thanks agin,
> Geoff
>
> "neil" <neilp67_.RemoveThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ICWkk.372$8w4.239@newsfe30.ams2...
>> Hi,
>> Is this a new "C:\" drive or have you just reformatted the old one. What
> I'm
>> thinking is if you have replaced the drive then have you checked all your
>> cables and hard drive links for master & slave.
>>
>> If you just copied the files from the original "C:\" drive to a folder on
>> another drive then you should be able to copy them back in windows if you
>> can get windows to recognise the drives.
>>
>> Did you have the other drives connected when you reinstalled windows.?
>>
>> Have you checked device manager to see if the other drives are listed as
>> devices.?
>>
>> Right click "my computer" and select "manage" then go to "disk
> management",
>> if there are all the drives there then you need to "assign a drive
> letter".
>>
>> see how you go on.
>> Neil
>> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.RemoveThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uIPlyeI9IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > Neil,
>> >
>> > The Shock page was very helpful, thanks. But, one step forward, three
>> > back!
>> > I've used KNOPPIX to copy my C: drive to another HDD directory (E,
> then,
>> > reformatted C: and reinstalled XP/SP2 with no significant issues. But
>> > now,
>> > having reinstalled W/XP I can't get KNOPPIX to boot from the CD to
> enable
>> > me
>> > to restore the backed up original C: files from E:.
>> >
>> > I've checked the BIOS setup, boot from CD is first priority but no
>> > luck,
>> > keeps booting into W/XP from the reformatted C: HDD (drive 0). So, I
> can't
>> > restore my W/XP files from the E: HDD backup I made under KNOPPIX.
> DOH!!
>> >
>> > Also, W/XP doesn't acknowledge D: and E: HDD's (Drives 1 & 2). It does
> see
>> > the CD/DVD Drive (D.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions?
>> >
>> > Geoff
>> >
>> > "neil" <neilp67_.RemoveThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:VGIkk.27$Lw1.17@newsfe29.ams2...
>> >> Have a look at this webpage http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/
>> >> someone has gone to a lot of trouble in detailing recovering data. I
>> >> think
>> >> it's a good place to start and see if you can follow the advice to
>> >> recover
>> >> your data.
>> >> I know I've used the disk before myself but to remember each step
>> >> could
>> > take
>> >> a while.
>> >> best of luck
>> >> Neil
>> >> PS post back on your progress.
>> >>
>> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.RemoveThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:%23SzaxK88IHA.356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Neil,
>> >> >
>> >> > WOW! Impressive! I've created a KNOPPIX Boot Image CD and it booted
> my
>> > PC
>> >> > in literally a few seconds, but I'm afraid I may have opened
> Aladdin's
>> >> > Cave,
>> >> > or maybe even Pandora's Box! Where to start, there's so much to see
>> > here?
>> >> > I know, given that it's now 8.30pm Friday I'll go open that bottle
>> >> > of
>> > wine
>> >> > and resume in the morning.
>> >> >
>> >> > By tomorrow morning, you may have read this post and offered me some
>> >> > suggestions about getting started on resurrecting my ailing HDD.
>> >> >
>> >> > Geoff
>> >> >
>> >> > "neil" <neilp67_.RemoveThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:P6mkk.132574$oo.8167@newsfe09.ams2...
>> >> >> Did you look at the knoppix option.
>> >> >> Neil
>> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.RemoveThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:ewkwpuc8IHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > Philo, Neil, et al (BTW, who's Al?)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks for your suggestions but I'm still in the dark as to why
> W/XP
>> >> > does
>> >> >> > this wierdo logon/logoff thing, as described in my original post.
> I
>> >> > think
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > still need to get the old C: drive cranked up so I can do the
>> > transfer
>> >> > to
>> >> >> > the D:/E: drives and get the old C: drive ready for burial.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So, is there a file that I could restore from the backup or
>> >> >> > repair
>> >> >> > directories that will get me past the "Windows is loading your
>> > personal
>> >> >> > settings" stage?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >> > Geoff
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.RemoveThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:ubkRzB77IHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> My C: drive has dropped plenty of bad sectors and much of XP
>> >> >> >> went
>> > down
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> drain with them. I have an identical (32GB) D: with some
>> >> >> >> program
>> > and
>> >> >> >> data
>> >> >> >> files on it that could be either sacrificed or copied to my
>> >> >> >> 200GB
>> >> >> >> E:
>> >> >> >> drive
>> >> >> >> but none of this can be achieved without resurrecturing XP
>> >> >> >> enough
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> A)
>> >> >> > See
>> >> >> >> the D/E: drives and B) shift the files around so I can get the
>> >> > remainder
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> XP across to the replacement (D drive.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've been through the Repair Install procedure as detailed by
>> >> >> >> MS-MVP
>> >> >> > Michael
>> >> >> >> Stevens, including the link to Charlie White's article "Windows
> XP
>> >> >> > Crashed"
>> >> >> >> and the additional suggestions from MVP Alex Nichol, all to no
>> > avail.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> When following Charlie White's process, I get to PART 2 where
> it's
>> >> >> >> time
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> reboot into W/XP and, after I enter the Administrator's
>> >> >> >> password,
>> > the
>> >> >> > system
>> >> >> >> says it's loading personal settings and, after a pause, says
>> >> >> >> it's
>> >> > logging
>> >> >> >> off - back to the log in screen.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've tried to get into Safe Mode but get the same problem.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Is there any other magic I might use to at least get my Xp
> running
>> >> > enough
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> get the stuff of the C: drive before I bury it?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> My biggest concern is wiping out my Outlook mail file and other
>> >> >> >> documents/pics, etc that might get lost, not to mention going
>> > through
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> clean install and the time/pain involved with that.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Can anybody offer assistance resolving this disaster?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks in advance,
>> >> >> >> Geoff
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

I copied the C: drive files to E: using KNOPPIX which resulted in a sub
directory on E: containing the files from C:

When I got back XP's access to the other drives, all XP could see was the
directory I had created on E:, but Explorer could not open it - just
displayed the top directory level. I Restarted knoppix to make sure the
files were actually there and I can explore them all in knoppix.

I've just followed your suggestion about taking ownership of the XP folder
(KB 308421) and that gets me down one further level but I can only see an
icon called HDA1 and, when I open that in Windows Explorer, it contains text
type knoppix attributes. No further directory level under that icon where
the original C: files are in knoppix.

Am I toast yet?
Thanks, Geoff

"neil" <neilp67_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9lGlk.148632$7O1.51352@newsfe12.ams2...
> Did you just copy the files to folder using knoppix.?
>
> You may need to "take ownership" of the files or folder on the other drive
> after doing a fresh install of Windows. Use "help & support" on the start
> menu and look up "take ownership" (no quotes).
>
> Just run through the routine you used when using the knoppix disk.
>
> Neil
>
> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.TakeThisOut@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eCjgqhd9IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Neil,
> >
> > Thanks again for your intuitive thoughts - I had suspected during my
> > sleepness night prior to your last suggestion that my 'phantom' HDDs
were
> > just missing because of some dumb thing around XP and, sure enough,
> > following your suggestion about the My Comuter Manage program, I was
able
> > to
> > get these drives back into the XP environment. After a bit of
frustrating
> > fooling around and, because I couldn't see these other drives that
> > contained
> > my backed up C: files, I reinstalled W/XP from scratch to the newly
zeroed
> > (Seagate Tools did that for me) and formatted (using XP), hopefully
> > resurrected original C: drive. When I get through all this, I plan to
> > replace this drive with my (identical) D: drive and then replace the D:
> > drive with another high capacity drive, but that's for later.
> >
> > I was panicking a bit after I got the D/E: drives back into XP because
> > Explorer couldn't see the files that KNOPPIX had copied from C: to E:
but,
> > now that I've rebooted under KNOPPIX hey presto!, there they are.
> >
> > The challenge now is which ones to restore back to C Certainly my
> > Office
> > Outlook mail files and any 'My Documents' files that I need can probably
> > just go straight across to C: but what else (where do I find the Outlook
> > mailbox?)? Maybe I'm better off, apart from these essential files, to
> > just
> > reinstall my applications rather than ending up with a mish-mashed
> > registry
> > etc. I'd welcome your thoughts here.
> >
> > Also, because XP couldn't see the file I backed up with KNOPPIX from C:
to
> > E:, how do I ensure XP can see them after I restore them to C
> >
> > Thanks agin,
> > Geoff
> >
> > "neil" <neilp67_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ICWkk.372$8w4.239@newsfe30.ams2...
> >> Hi,
> >> Is this a new "C:\" drive or have you just reformatted the old one.
What
> > I'm
> >> thinking is if you have replaced the drive then have you checked all
your
> >> cables and hard drive links for master & slave.
> >>
> >> If you just copied the files from the original "C:\" drive to a folder
on
> >> another drive then you should be able to copy them back in windows if
you
> >> can get windows to recognise the drives.
> >>
> >> Did you have the other drives connected when you reinstalled windows.?
> >>
> >> Have you checked device manager to see if the other drives are listed
as
> >> devices.?
> >>
> >> Right click "my computer" and select "manage" then go to "disk
> > management",
> >> if there are all the drives there then you need to "assign a drive
> > letter".
> >>
> >> see how you go on.
> >> Neil
> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.TakeThisOut@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:uIPlyeI9IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> > Neil,
> >> >
> >> > The Shock page was very helpful, thanks. But, one step forward, three
> >> > back!
> >> > I've used KNOPPIX to copy my C: drive to another HDD directory (E,
> > then,
> >> > reformatted C: and reinstalled XP/SP2 with no significant issues.
But
> >> > now,
> >> > having reinstalled W/XP I can't get KNOPPIX to boot from the CD to
> > enable
> >> > me
> >> > to restore the backed up original C: files from E:.
> >> >
> >> > I've checked the BIOS setup, boot from CD is first priority but no
> >> > luck,
> >> > keeps booting into W/XP from the reformatted C: HDD (drive 0). So, I
> > can't
> >> > restore my W/XP files from the E: HDD backup I made under KNOPPIX.
> > DOH!!
> >> >
> >> > Also, W/XP doesn't acknowledge D: and E: HDD's (Drives 1 & 2). It
does
> > see
> >> > the CD/DVD Drive (D.
> >> >
> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> >
> >> > Geoff
> >> >
> >> > "neil" <neilp67_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:VGIkk.27$Lw1.17@newsfe29.ams2...
> >> >> Have a look at this webpage
http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/
> >> >> someone has gone to a lot of trouble in detailing recovering data. I
> >> >> think
> >> >> it's a good place to start and see if you can follow the advice to
> >> >> recover
> >> >> your data.
> >> >> I know I've used the disk before myself but to remember each step
> >> >> could
> >> > take
> >> >> a while.
> >> >> best of luck
> >> >> Neil
> >> >> PS post back on your progress.
> >> >>
> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.TakeThisOut@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:%23SzaxK88IHA.356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Neil,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > WOW! Impressive! I've created a KNOPPIX Boot Image CD and it
booted
> > my
> >> > PC
> >> >> > in literally a few seconds, but I'm afraid I may have opened
> > Aladdin's
> >> >> > Cave,
> >> >> > or maybe even Pandora's Box! Where to start, there's so much to
see
> >> > here?
> >> >> > I know, given that it's now 8.30pm Friday I'll go open that bottle
> >> >> > of
> >> > wine
> >> >> > and resume in the morning.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > By tomorrow morning, you may have read this post and offered me
some
> >> >> > suggestions about getting started on resurrecting my ailing HDD.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Geoff
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "neil" <neilp67_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:P6mkk.132574$oo.8167@newsfe09.ams2...
> >> >> >> Did you look at the knoppix option.
> >> >> >> Neil
> >> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.TakeThisOut@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:ewkwpuc8IHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > Philo, Neil, et al (BTW, who's Al?)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks for your suggestions but I'm still in the dark as to why
> > W/XP
> >> >> > does
> >> >> >> > this wierdo logon/logoff thing, as described in my original
post.
> > I
> >> >> > think
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > still need to get the old C: drive cranked up so I can do the
> >> > transfer
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > the D:/E: drives and get the old C: drive ready for burial.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So, is there a file that I could restore from the backup or
> >> >> >> > repair
> >> >> >> > directories that will get me past the "Windows is loading your
> >> > personal
> >> >> >> > settings" stage?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >> > Geoff
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.TakeThisOut@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:ubkRzB77IHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> My C: drive has dropped plenty of bad sectors and much of XP
> >> >> >> >> went
> >> > down
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> drain with them. I have an identical (32GB) D: with some
> >> >> >> >> program
> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> data
> >> >> >> >> files on it that could be either sacrificed or copied to my
> >> >> >> >> 200GB
> >> >> >> >> E:
> >> >> >> >> drive
> >> >> >> >> but none of this can be achieved without resurrecturing XP
> >> >> >> >> enough
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> A)
> >> >> >> > See
> >> >> >> >> the D/E: drives and B) shift the files around so I can get the
> >> >> > remainder
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> XP across to the replacement (D drive.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I've been through the Repair Install procedure as detailed by
> >> >> >> >> MS-MVP
> >> >> >> > Michael
> >> >> >> >> Stevens, including the link to Charlie White's article
"Windows
> > XP
> >> >> >> > Crashed"
> >> >> >> >> and the additional suggestions from MVP Alex Nichol, all to no
> >> > avail.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> When following Charlie White's process, I get to PART 2 where
> > it's
> >> >> >> >> time
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> reboot into W/XP and, after I enter the Administrator's
> >> >> >> >> password,
> >> > the
> >> >> >> > system
> >> >> >> >> says it's loading personal settings and, after a pause, says
> >> >> >> >> it's
> >> >> > logging
> >> >> >> >> off - back to the log in screen.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I've tried to get into Safe Mode but get the same problem.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Is there any other magic I might use to at least get my Xp
> > running
> >> >> > enough
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> get the stuff of the C: drive before I bury it?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> My biggest concern is wiping out my Outlook mail file and
other
> >> >> >> >> documents/pics, etc that might get lost, not to mention going
> >> > through
> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> clean install and the time/pain involved with that.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Can anybody offer assistance resolving this disaster?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> >> >> >> Geoff
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Can you use the knoppix disk to copy the files back onto the C:\ drive.??
Its sounds like you did it correctly but I'm not sure why it should have a
icon called HDA1, that's just a ref to the way knoppix (Linux) identifies
hard drives. Are you sure you copied and not created a shortcut.
Neil

"GeoffWHere" <gumboot.TakeThisOut@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
news:OxSMH$n9IHA.3344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I copied the C: drive files to E: using KNOPPIX which resulted in a sub
> directory on E: containing the files from C:
>
> When I got back XP's access to the other drives, all XP could see was the
> directory I had created on E:, but Explorer could not open it - just
> displayed the top directory level. I Restarted knoppix to make sure the
> files were actually there and I can explore them all in knoppix.
>
> I've just followed your suggestion about taking ownership of the XP folder
> (KB 308421) and that gets me down one further level but I can only see an
> icon called HDA1 and, when I open that in Windows Explorer, it contains
> text
> type knoppix attributes. No further directory level under that icon where
> the original C: files are in knoppix.
>
> Am I toast yet?
> Thanks, Geoff
>
> "neil" <neilp67_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9lGlk.148632$7O1.51352@newsfe12.ams2...
>> Did you just copy the files to folder using knoppix.?
>>
>> You may need to "take ownership" of the files or folder on the other
>> drive
>> after doing a fresh install of Windows. Use "help & support" on the start
>> menu and look up "take ownership" (no quotes).
>>
>> Just run through the routine you used when using the knoppix disk.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.TakeThisOut@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eCjgqhd9IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi Neil,
>> >
>> > Thanks again for your intuitive thoughts - I had suspected during my
>> > sleepness night prior to your last suggestion that my 'phantom' HDDs
> were
>> > just missing because of some dumb thing around XP and, sure enough,
>> > following your suggestion about the My Comuter Manage program, I was
> able
>> > to
>> > get these drives back into the XP environment. After a bit of
> frustrating
>> > fooling around and, because I couldn't see these other drives that
>> > contained
>> > my backed up C: files, I reinstalled W/XP from scratch to the newly
> zeroed
>> > (Seagate Tools did that for me) and formatted (using XP), hopefully
>> > resurrected original C: drive. When I get through all this, I plan to
>> > replace this drive with my (identical) D: drive and then replace the D:
>> > drive with another high capacity drive, but that's for later.
>> >
>> > I was panicking a bit after I got the D/E: drives back into XP because
>> > Explorer couldn't see the files that KNOPPIX had copied from C: to E:
> but,
>> > now that I've rebooted under KNOPPIX hey presto!, there they are.
>> >
>> > The challenge now is which ones to restore back to C Certainly my
>> > Office
>> > Outlook mail files and any 'My Documents' files that I need can
>> > probably
>> > just go straight across to C: but what else (where do I find the
>> > Outlook
>> > mailbox?)? Maybe I'm better off, apart from these essential files, to
>> > just
>> > reinstall my applications rather than ending up with a mish-mashed
>> > registry
>> > etc. I'd welcome your thoughts here.
>> >
>> > Also, because XP couldn't see the file I backed up with KNOPPIX from C:
> to
>> > E:, how do I ensure XP can see them after I restore them to C
>> >
>> > Thanks agin,
>> > Geoff
>> >
>> > "neil" <neilp67_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:ICWkk.372$8w4.239@newsfe30.ams2...
>> >> Hi,
>> >> Is this a new "C:\" drive or have you just reformatted the old one.
> What
>> > I'm
>> >> thinking is if you have replaced the drive then have you checked all
> your
>> >> cables and hard drive links for master & slave.
>> >>
>> >> If you just copied the files from the original "C:\" drive to a folder
> on
>> >> another drive then you should be able to copy them back in windows if
> you
>> >> can get windows to recognise the drives.
>> >>
>> >> Did you have the other drives connected when you reinstalled windows.?
>> >>
>> >> Have you checked device manager to see if the other drives are listed
> as
>> >> devices.?
>> >>
>> >> Right click "my computer" and select "manage" then go to "disk
>> > management",
>> >> if there are all the drives there then you need to "assign a drive
>> > letter".
>> >>
>> >> see how you go on.
>> >> Neil
>> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.TakeThisOut@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:uIPlyeI9IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Neil,
>> >> >
>> >> > The Shock page was very helpful, thanks. But, one step forward,
>> >> > three
>> >> > back!
>> >> > I've used KNOPPIX to copy my C: drive to another HDD directory (E,
>> > then,
>> >> > reformatted C: and reinstalled XP/SP2 with no significant issues.
> But
>> >> > now,
>> >> > having reinstalled W/XP I can't get KNOPPIX to boot from the CD to
>> > enable
>> >> > me
>> >> > to restore the backed up original C: files from E:.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've checked the BIOS setup, boot from CD is first priority but no
>> >> > luck,
>> >> > keeps booting into W/XP from the reformatted C: HDD (drive 0). So, I
>> > can't
>> >> > restore my W/XP files from the E: HDD backup I made under KNOPPIX.
>> > DOH!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, W/XP doesn't acknowledge D: and E: HDD's (Drives 1 & 2). It
> does
>> > see
>> >> > the CD/DVD Drive (D.
>> >> >
>> >> > Any suggestions?