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GeoffWHere

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Since: Jul 27, 2008
Posts: 10



(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:13 am
Post subject: Re: SERIOUS HDD PROBLEM - NUKED XP - CAN'T GET WINDOWS GOING AGAIN Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windowsxp>help_and_support (more info?)

On closer examination I've confirmed that I'm a dead duck! The icon under
knoppix on E: called HDA1 is in fact a shortcut back to the newly formatted
C: drive with the new XP installation, so it's now obvious that I've not
copied my old XP
"neil" <neilp67_ DeleteThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dU_lk.126329$Lc6.53487@newsfe18.ams2...
> Can you use the knoppix disk to copy the files back onto the C:\ drive.??
> Its sounds like you did it correctly but I'm not sure why it should have a
> icon called HDA1, that's just a ref to the way knoppix (Linux) identifies
> hard drives. Are you sure you copied and not created a shortcut.
> Neil
>
> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OxSMH$n9IHA.3344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >I copied the C: drive files to E: using KNOPPIX which resulted in a sub
> > directory on E: containing the files from C:
> >
> > When I got back XP's access to the other drives, all XP could see was
the
> > directory I had created on E:, but Explorer could not open it - just
> > displayed the top directory level. I Restarted knoppix to make sure the
> > files were actually there and I can explore them all in knoppix.
> >
> > I've just followed your suggestion about taking ownership of the XP
folder
> > (KB 308421) and that gets me down one further level but I can only see
an
> > icon called HDA1 and, when I open that in Windows Explorer, it contains
> > text
> > type knoppix attributes. No further directory level under that icon
where
> > the original C: files are in knoppix.
> >
> > Am I toast yet?
> > Thanks, Geoff
> >
> > "neil" <neilp67_ DeleteThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9lGlk.148632$7O1.51352@newsfe12.ams2...
> >> Did you just copy the files to folder using knoppix.?
> >>
> >> You may need to "take ownership" of the files or folder on the other
> >> drive
> >> after doing a fresh install of Windows. Use "help & support" on the
start
> >> menu and look up "take ownership" (no quotes).
> >>
> >> Just run through the routine you used when using the knoppix disk.
> >>
> >> Neil
> >>
> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:eCjgqhd9IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi Neil,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again for your intuitive thoughts - I had suspected during my
> >> > sleepness night prior to your last suggestion that my 'phantom' HDDs
> > were
> >> > just missing because of some dumb thing around XP and, sure enough,
> >> > following your suggestion about the My Comuter Manage program, I was
> > able
> >> > to
> >> > get these drives back into the XP environment. After a bit of
> > frustrating
> >> > fooling around and, because I couldn't see these other drives that
> >> > contained
> >> > my backed up C: files, I reinstalled W/XP from scratch to the newly
> > zeroed
> >> > (Seagate Tools did that for me) and formatted (using XP), hopefully
> >> > resurrected original C: drive. When I get through all this, I plan
to
> >> > replace this drive with my (identical) D: drive and then replace the
D:
> >> > drive with another high capacity drive, but that's for later.
> >> >
> >> > I was panicking a bit after I got the D/E: drives back into XP
because
> >> > Explorer couldn't see the files that KNOPPIX had copied from C: to E:
> > but,
> >> > now that I've rebooted under KNOPPIX hey presto!, there they are.
> >> >
> >> > The challenge now is which ones to restore back to CConfused Certainly my
> >> > Office
> >> > Outlook mail files and any 'My Documents' files that I need can
> >> > probably
> >> > just go straight across to C: but what else (where do I find the
> >> > Outlook
> >> > mailbox?)? Maybe I'm better off, apart from these essential files,
to
> >> > just
> >> > reinstall my applications rather than ending up with a mish-mashed
> >> > registry
> >> > etc. I'd welcome your thoughts here.
> >> >
> >> > Also, because XP couldn't see the file I backed up with KNOPPIX from
C:
> > to
> >> > E:, how do I ensure XP can see them after I restore them to CConfused
> >> >
> >> > Thanks agin,
> >> > Geoff
> >> >
> >> > "neil" <neilp67_ DeleteThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:ICWkk.372$8w4.239@newsfe30.ams2...
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> Is this a new "C:\" drive or have you just reformatted the old one.
> > What
> >> > I'm
> >> >> thinking is if you have replaced the drive then have you checked all
> > your
> >> >> cables and hard drive links for master & slave.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you just copied the files from the original "C:\" drive to a
folder
> > on
> >> >> another drive then you should be able to copy them back in windows
if
> > you
> >> >> can get windows to recognise the drives.
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you have the other drives connected when you reinstalled
windows.?
> >> >>
> >> >> Have you checked device manager to see if the other drives are
listed
> > as
> >> >> devices.?
> >> >>
> >> >> Right click "my computer" and select "manage" then go to "disk
> >> > management",
> >> >> if there are all the drives there then you need to "assign a drive
> >> > letter".
> >> >>
> >> >> see how you go on.
> >> >> Neil
> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:uIPlyeI9IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Neil,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Shock page was very helpful, thanks. But, one step forward,
> >> >> > three
> >> >> > back!
> >> >> > I've used KNOPPIX to copy my C: drive to another HDD directory
(ESmile,
> >> > then,
> >> >> > reformatted C: and reinstalled XP/SP2 with no significant issues.
> > But
> >> >> > now,
> >> >> > having reinstalled W/XP I can't get KNOPPIX to boot from the CD to
> >> > enable
> >> >> > me
> >> >> > to restore the backed up original C: files from E:.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've checked the BIOS setup, boot from CD is first priority but no
> >> >> > luck,
> >> >> > keeps booting into W/XP from the reformatted C: HDD (drive 0). So,
I
> >> > can't
> >> >> > restore my W/XP files from the E: HDD backup I made under
KNOPPIX.
> >> > DOH!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also, W/XP doesn't acknowledge D: and E: HDD's (Drives 1 & 2). It
> > does
> >> > see
> >> >> > the CD/DVD Drive (DSmile.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Geoff
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "neil" <neilp67_ DeleteThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:VGIkk.27$Lw1.17@newsfe29.ams2...
> >> >> >> Have a look at this webpage
> > http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/
> >> >> >> someone has gone to a lot of trouble in detailing recovering
data.
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> think
> >> >> >> it's a good place to start and see if you can follow the advice
to
> >> >> >> recover
> >> >> >> your data.
> >> >> >> I know I've used the disk before myself but to remember each step
> >> >> >> could
> >> >> > take
> >> >> >> a while.
> >> >> >> best of luck
> >> >> >> Neil
> >> >> >> PS post back on your progress.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:%23SzaxK88IHA.356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > Neil,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > WOW! Impressive! I've created a KNOPPIX Boot Image CD and it
> > booted
> >> > my
> >> >> > PC
> >> >> >> > in literally a few seconds, but I'm afraid I may have opened
> >> > Aladdin's
> >> >> >> > Cave,
> >> >> >> > or maybe even Pandora's Box! Where to start, there's so much
to
> > see
> >> >> > here?
> >> >> >> > I know, given that it's now 8.30pm Friday I'll go open that
> >> >> >> > bottle
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> > wine
> >> >> >> > and resume in the morning.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > By tomorrow morning, you may have read this post and offered me
> > some
> >> >> >> > suggestions about getting started on resurrecting my ailing
HDD.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Geoff
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "neil" <neilp67_ DeleteThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:P6mkk.132574$oo.8167@newsfe09.ams2...
> >> >> >> >> Did you look at the knoppix option.
> >> >> >> >> Neil
> >> >> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:ewkwpuc8IHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > Philo, Neil, et al (BTW, who's Al?)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks for your suggestions but I'm still in the dark as to
> >> >> >> >> > why
> >> > W/XP
> >> >> >> > does
> >> >> >> >> > this wierdo logon/logoff thing, as described in my original
> > post.
> >> > I
> >> >> >> > think
> >> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> >> > still need to get the old C: drive cranked up so I can do
the
> >> >> > transfer
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > the D:/E: drives and get the old C: drive ready for burial.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > So, is there a file that I could restore from the backup or
> >> >> >> >> > repair
> >> >> >> >> > directories that will get me past the "Windows is loading
your
> >> >> > personal
> >> >> >> >> > settings" stage?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >> >> > Geoff
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:ubkRzB77IHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> >> My C: drive has dropped plenty of bad sectors and much of
XP
> >> >> >> >> >> went
> >> >> > down
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> drain with them. I have an identical (32GB) D: with some
> >> >> >> >> >> program
> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> data
> >> >> >> >> >> files on it that could be either sacrificed or copied to my
> >> >> >> >> >> 200GB
> >> >> >> >> >> E:
> >> >> >> >> >> drive
> >> >> >> >> >> but none of this can be achieved without resurrecturing XP
> >> >> >> >> >> enough
> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> A)
> >> >> >> >> > See
> >> >> >> >> >> the D/E: drives and B) shift the files around so I can get
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > remainder
> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> XP across to the replacement (DSmile drive.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I've been through the Repair Install procedure as detailed
by
> >> >> >> >> >> MS-MVP
> >> >> >> >> > Michael
> >> >> >> >> >> Stevens, including the link to Charlie White's article
> > "Windows
> >> > XP
> >> >> >> >> > Crashed"
> >> >> >> >> >> and the additional suggestions from MVP Alex Nichol, all to
> >> >> >> >> >> no
> >> >> > avail.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> When following Charlie White's process, I get to PART 2
where
> >> > it's
> >> >> >> >> >> time
> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> reboot into W/XP and, after I enter the Administrator's
> >> >> >> >> >> password,
> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > system
> >> >> >> >> >> says it's loading personal settings and, after a pause,
says
> >> >> >> >> >> it's
> >> >> >> > logging
> >> >> >> >> >> off - back to the log in screen.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I've tried to get into Safe Mode but get the same problem.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Is there any other magic I might use to at least get my Xp
> >> > running
> >> >> >> > enough
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> get the stuff of the C: drive before I bury it?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> My biggest concern is wiping out my Outlook mail file and
> > other
> >> >> >> >> >> documents/pics, etc that might get lost, not to mention
going
> >> >> > through
> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> clean install and the time/pain involved with that.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Can anybody offer assistance resolving this disaster?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> >> >> >> >> Geoff
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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Since: Jul 27, 2008
Posts: 10



(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:13 am
Post subject: Re: SERIOUS HDD PROBLEM - NUKED XP - CAN'T GET WINDOWS GOING AGAIN Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

After careful scrutiny of the files listed by knoppix under the HDA1 icon on
HDF1 (F: drive), I've confirmed that I'm a dead duck! The icon is simply a
shortcut back to the newly formatted C: drive with the newly installed XP so
I didn;'t create a backup of my old C: drive to F: after all. Proving
conclusively that I have a lot to learn about knoppix/linux to rise above my
current level of having just enough knowledge to be dangerous.

Thanks for your advice and persistence but now I think I need divine
assistance.
Best regards,
Geoff

"neil" <neilp67_.DeleteThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dU_lk.126329$Lc6.53487@newsfe18.ams2...
> Can you use the knoppix disk to copy the files back onto the C:\ drive.??
> Its sounds like you did it correctly but I'm not sure why it should have a
> icon called HDA1, that's just a ref to the way knoppix (Linux) identifies
> hard drives. Are you sure you copied and not created a shortcut.
> Neil
>
> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.DeleteThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OxSMH$n9IHA.3344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >I copied the C: drive files to E: using KNOPPIX which resulted in a sub
> > directory on E: containing the files from C:
> >
> > When I got back XP's access to the other drives, all XP could see was
the
> > directory I had created on E:, but Explorer could not open it - just
> > displayed the top directory level. I Restarted knoppix to make sure the
> > files were actually there and I can explore them all in knoppix.
> >
> > I've just followed your suggestion about taking ownership of the XP
folder
> > (KB 308421) and that gets me down one further level but I can only see
an
> > icon called HDA1 and, when I open that in Windows Explorer, it contains
> > text
> > type knoppix attributes. No further directory level under that icon
where
> > the original C: files are in knoppix.
> >
> > Am I toast yet?
> > Thanks, Geoff
> >
> > "neil" <neilp67_.DeleteThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9lGlk.148632$7O1.51352@newsfe12.ams2...
> >> Did you just copy the files to folder using knoppix.?
> >>
> >> You may need to "take ownership" of the files or folder on the other
> >> drive
> >> after doing a fresh install of Windows. Use "help & support" on the
start
> >> menu and look up "take ownership" (no quotes).
> >>
> >> Just run through the routine you used when using the knoppix disk.
> >>
> >> Neil
> >>
> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.DeleteThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:eCjgqhd9IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hi Neil,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again for your intuitive thoughts - I had suspected during my
> >> > sleepness night prior to your last suggestion that my 'phantom' HDDs
> > were
> >> > just missing because of some dumb thing around XP and, sure enough,
> >> > following your suggestion about the My Comuter Manage program, I was
> > able
> >> > to
> >> > get these drives back into the XP environment. After a bit of
> > frustrating
> >> > fooling around and, because I couldn't see these other drives that
> >> > contained
> >> > my backed up C: files, I reinstalled W/XP from scratch to the newly
> > zeroed
> >> > (Seagate Tools did that for me) and formatted (using XP), hopefully
> >> > resurrected original C: drive. When I get through all this, I plan
to
> >> > replace this drive with my (identical) D: drive and then replace the
D:
> >> > drive with another high capacity drive, but that's for later.
> >> >
> >> > I was panicking a bit after I got the D/E: drives back into XP
because
> >> > Explorer couldn't see the files that KNOPPIX had copied from C: to E:
> > but,
> >> > now that I've rebooted under KNOPPIX hey presto!, there they are.
> >> >
> >> > The challenge now is which ones to restore back to CConfused Certainly my
> >> > Office
> >> > Outlook mail files and any 'My Documents' files that I need can
> >> > probably
> >> > just go straight across to C: but what else (where do I find the
> >> > Outlook
> >> > mailbox?)? Maybe I'm better off, apart from these essential files,
to
> >> > just
> >> > reinstall my applications rather than ending up with a mish-mashed
> >> > registry
> >> > etc. I'd welcome your thoughts here.
> >> >
> >> > Also, because XP couldn't see the file I backed up with KNOPPIX from
C:
> > to
> >> > E:, how do I ensure XP can see them after I restore them to CConfused
> >> >
> >> > Thanks agin,
> >> > Geoff
> >> >
> >> > "neil" <neilp67_.DeleteThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:ICWkk.372$8w4.239@newsfe30.ams2...
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> Is this a new "C:\" drive or have you just reformatted the old one.
> > What
> >> > I'm
> >> >> thinking is if you have replaced the drive then have you checked all
> > your
> >> >> cables and hard drive links for master & slave.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you just copied the files from the original "C:\" drive to a
folder
> > on
> >> >> another drive then you should be able to copy them back in windows
if
> > you
> >> >> can get windows to recognise the drives.
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you have the other drives connected when you reinstalled
windows.?
> >> >>
> >> >> Have you checked device manager to see if the other drives are
listed
> > as
> >> >> devices.?
> >> >>
> >> >> Right click "my computer" and select "manage" then go to "disk
> >> > management",
> >> >> if there are all the drives there then you need to "assign a drive
> >> > letter".
> >> >>
> >> >> see how you go on.
> >> >> Neil
> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.DeleteThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:uIPlyeI9IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Neil,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Shock page was very helpful, thanks. But, one step forward,
> >> >> > three
> >> >> > back!
> >> >> > I've used KNOPPIX to copy my C: drive to another HDD directory
(ESmile,
> >> > then,
> >> >> > reformatted C: and reinstalled XP/SP2 with no significant issues.
> > But
> >> >> > now,
> >> >> > having reinstalled W/XP I can't get KNOPPIX to boot from the CD to
> >> > enable
> >> >> > me
> >> >> > to restore the backed up original C: files from E:.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've checked the BIOS setup, boot from CD is first priority but no
> >> >> > luck,
> >> >> > keeps booting into W/XP from the reformatted C: HDD (drive 0). So,
I
> >> > can't
> >> >> > restore my W/XP files from the E: HDD backup I made under
KNOPPIX.
> >> > DOH!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also, W/XP doesn't acknowledge D: and E: HDD's (Drives 1 & 2). It
> > does
> >> > see
> >> >> > the CD/DVD Drive (DSmile.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Geoff
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "neil" <neilp67_.DeleteThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:VGIkk.27$Lw1.17@newsfe29.ams2...
> >> >> >> Have a look at this webpage
> > http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/
> >> >> >> someone has gone to a lot of trouble in detailing recovering
data.
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> think
> >> >> >> it's a good place to start and see if you can follow the advice
to
> >> >> >> recover
> >> >> >> your data.
> >> >> >> I know I've used the disk before myself but to remember each step
> >> >> >> could
> >> >> > take
> >> >> >> a while.
> >> >> >> best of luck
> >> >> >> Neil
> >> >> >> PS post back on your progress.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.DeleteThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:%23SzaxK88IHA.356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > Neil,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > WOW! Impressive! I've created a KNOPPIX Boot Image CD and it
> > booted
> >> > my
> >> >> > PC
> >> >> >> > in literally a few seconds, but I'm afraid I may have opened
> >> > Aladdin's
> >> >> >> > Cave,
> >> >> >> > or maybe even Pandora's Box! Where to start, there's so much
to
> > see
> >> >> > here?
> >> >> >> > I know, given that it's now 8.30pm Friday I'll go open that
> >> >> >> > bottle
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> > wine
> >> >> >> > and resume in the morning.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > By tomorrow morning, you may have read this post and offered me
> > some
> >> >> >> > suggestions about getting started on resurrecting my ailing
HDD.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Geoff
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "neil" <neilp67_.DeleteThis@_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:P6mkk.132574$oo.8167@newsfe09.ams2...
> >> >> >> >> Did you look at the knoppix option.
> >> >> >> >> Neil
> >> >> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.DeleteThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:ewkwpuc8IHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > Philo, Neil, et al (BTW, who's Al?)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks for your suggestions but I'm still in the dark as to
> >> >> >> >> > why
> >> > W/XP
> >> >> >> > does
> >> >> >> >> > this wierdo logon/logoff thing, as described in my original
> > post.
> >> > I
> >> >> >> > think
> >> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> >> > still need to get the old C: drive cranked up so I can do
the
> >> >> > transfer
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > the D:/E: drives and get the old C: drive ready for burial.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > So, is there a file that I could restore from the backup or
> >> >> >> >> > repair
> >> >> >> >> > directories that will get me past the "Windows is loading
your
> >> >> > personal
> >> >> >> >> > settings" stage?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >> >> > Geoff
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "GeoffWHere" <gumboot.DeleteThis@shiftmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:ubkRzB77IHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> >> My C: drive has dropped plenty of bad sectors and much of
XP
> >> >> >> >> >> went
> >> >> > down
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> drain with them. I have an identical (32GB) D: with some
> >> >> >> >> >> program
> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> data
> >> >> >> >> >> files on it that could be either sacrificed or copied to my
> >> >> >> >> >> 200GB
> >> >> >> >> >> E:
> >> >> >> >> >> drive
> >> >> >> >> >> but none of this can be achieved without resurrecturing XP
> >> >> >> >> >> enough
> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> A)
> >> >> >> >> > See
> >> >> >> >> >> the D/E: drives and B) shift the files around so I can get
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > remainder
> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> XP across to the replacement (DSmile drive.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I've been through the Repair Install procedure as detailed
by
> >> >> >> >> >> MS-MVP
> >> >> >> >> > Michael
> >> >> >> >> >> Stevens, including the link to Charlie White's article
> > "Windows
> >> > XP
> >> >> >> >> > Crashed"
> >> >> >> >> >> and the additional suggestions from MVP Alex Nichol, all to
> >> >> >> >> >> no
> >> >> > avail.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> When following Charlie White's process, I get to PART 2
where
> >> > it's
> >> >> >> >> >> time
> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> reboot into W/XP and, after I enter the Administrator's
> >> >> >> >> >> password,
> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > system
> >> >> >> >> >> says it's loading personal settings and, after a pause,
says
> >> >> >> >> >> it's
> >> >> >> > logging
> >> >> >> >> >> off - back to the log in screen.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I've tried to get into Safe Mode but get the same problem.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Is there any other magic I might use to at least get my Xp
> >> > running
> >> >> >> > enough
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> get the stuff of the C: drive before I bury it?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> My biggest concern is wiping out my Outlook mail file and
> > other
> >> >> >> >> >> documents/pics, etc that might get lost, not to mention
going
> >> >> > through
> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> clean install and the time/pain involved with that.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Can anybody offer assistance resolving this disaster?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> >> >> >> >> Geoff
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:21 pm
Post subject: Re: SERIOUS HDD PROBLEM - NUKED XP - CAN'T GET WINDOWS GOING AGAIN Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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OK, sorry it all went t*ts up.
Neil
"GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
news:Odhiwa19IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> After careful scrutiny of the files listed by knoppix under the HDA1 icon
> on
> HDF1 (F: drive), I've confirmed that I'm a dead duck! The icon is simply
> a
> shortcut back to the newly formatted C: drive with the newly installed XP
> so
> I didn;'t create a backup of my old C: drive to F: after all. Proving
> conclusively that I have a lot to learn about knoppix/linux to rise above
> my
> current level of having just enough knowledge to be dangerous.
>
> Thanks for your advice and persistence but now I think I need divine
> assistance.
> Best regards,
> Geoff
>
> "neil" <neilp67_ DeleteThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dU_lk.126329$Lc6.53487@newsfe18.ams2...
>> Can you use the knoppix disk to copy the files back onto the C:\ drive.??
>> Its sounds like you did it correctly but I'm not sure why it should have
>> a
>> icon called HDA1, that's just a ref to the way knoppix (Linux) identifies
>> hard drives. Are you sure you copied and not created a shortcut.
>> Neil
>>
>> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OxSMH$n9IHA.3344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >I copied the C: drive files to E: using KNOPPIX which resulted in a sub
>> > directory on E: containing the files from C:
>> >
>> > When I got back XP's access to the other drives, all XP could see was
> the
>> > directory I had created on E:, but Explorer could not open it - just
>> > displayed the top directory level. I Restarted knoppix to make sure the
>> > files were actually there and I can explore them all in knoppix.
>> >
>> > I've just followed your suggestion about taking ownership of the XP
> folder
>> > (KB 308421) and that gets me down one further level but I can only see
> an
>> > icon called HDA1 and, when I open that in Windows Explorer, it contains
>> > text
>> > type knoppix attributes. No further directory level under that icon
> where
>> > the original C: files are in knoppix.
>> >
>> > Am I toast yet?
>> > Thanks, Geoff
>> >
>> > "neil" <neilp67_ DeleteThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:9lGlk.148632$7O1.51352@newsfe12.ams2...
>> >> Did you just copy the files to folder using knoppix.?
>> >>
>> >> You may need to "take ownership" of the files or folder on the other
>> >> drive
>> >> after doing a fresh install of Windows. Use "help & support" on the
> start
>> >> menu and look up "take ownership" (no quotes).
>> >>
>> >> Just run through the routine you used when using the knoppix disk.
>> >>
>> >> Neil
>> >>
>> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:eCjgqhd9IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Hi Neil,
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks again for your intuitive thoughts - I had suspected during my
>> >> > sleepness night prior to your last suggestion that my 'phantom' HDDs
>> > were
>> >> > just missing because of some dumb thing around XP and, sure enough,
>> >> > following your suggestion about the My Comuter Manage program, I was
>> > able
>> >> > to
>> >> > get these drives back into the XP environment. After a bit of
>> > frustrating
>> >> > fooling around and, because I couldn't see these other drives that
>> >> > contained
>> >> > my backed up C: files, I reinstalled W/XP from scratch to the newly
>> > zeroed
>> >> > (Seagate Tools did that for me) and formatted (using XP), hopefully
>> >> > resurrected original C: drive. When I get through all this, I plan
> to
>> >> > replace this drive with my (identical) D: drive and then replace the
> D:
>> >> > drive with another high capacity drive, but that's for later.
>> >> >
>> >> > I was panicking a bit after I got the D/E: drives back into XP
> because
>> >> > Explorer couldn't see the files that KNOPPIX had copied from C: to
>> >> > E:
>> > but,
>> >> > now that I've rebooted under KNOPPIX hey presto!, there they are.
>> >> >
>> >> > The challenge now is which ones to restore back to CConfused Certainly my
>> >> > Office
>> >> > Outlook mail files and any 'My Documents' files that I need can
>> >> > probably
>> >> > just go straight across to C: but what else (where do I find the
>> >> > Outlook
>> >> > mailbox?)? Maybe I'm better off, apart from these essential files,
> to
>> >> > just
>> >> > reinstall my applications rather than ending up with a mish-mashed
>> >> > registry
>> >> > etc. I'd welcome your thoughts here.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, because XP couldn't see the file I backed up with KNOPPIX from
> C:
>> > to
>> >> > E:, how do I ensure XP can see them after I restore them to CConfused
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks agin,
>> >> > Geoff
>> >> >
>> >> > "neil" <neilp67_ DeleteThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:ICWkk.372$8w4.239@newsfe30.ams2...
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >> Is this a new "C:\" drive or have you just reformatted the old one.
>> > What
>> >> > I'm
>> >> >> thinking is if you have replaced the drive then have you checked
>> >> >> all
>> > your
>> >> >> cables and hard drive links for master & slave.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you just copied the files from the original "C:\" drive to a
> folder
>> > on
>> >> >> another drive then you should be able to copy them back in windows
> if
>> > you
>> >> >> can get windows to recognise the drives.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Did you have the other drives connected when you reinstalled
> windows.?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have you checked device manager to see if the other drives are
> listed
>> > as
>> >> >> devices.?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Right click "my computer" and select "manage" then go to "disk
>> >> > management",
>> >> >> if there are all the drives there then you need to "assign a drive
>> >> > letter".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> see how you go on.
>> >> >> Neil
>> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:uIPlyeI9IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > Neil,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The Shock page was very helpful, thanks. But, one step forward,
>> >> >> > three
>> >> >> > back!
>> >> >> > I've used KNOPPIX to copy my C: drive to another HDD directory
> (ESmile,
>> >> > then,
>> >> >> > reformatted C: and reinstalled XP/SP2 with no significant issues.
>> > But
>> >> >> > now,
>> >> >> > having reinstalled W/XP I can't get KNOPPIX to boot from the CD
>> >> >> > to
>> >> > enable
>> >> >> > me
>> >> >> > to restore the backed up original C: files from E:.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I've checked the BIOS setup, boot from CD is first priority but
>> >> >> > no
>> >> >> > luck,
>> >> >> > keeps booting into W/XP from the reformatted C: HDD (drive 0).
>> >> >> > So,
> I
>> >> > can't
>> >> >> > restore my W/XP files from the E: HDD backup I made under
> KNOPPIX.
>> >> > DOH!!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Also, W/XP doesn't acknowledge D: and E: HDD's (Drives 1 & 2). It
>> > does
>> >> > see
>> >> >> > the CD/DVD Drive (DSmile.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Any suggestions?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Geoff
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "neil" <neilp67_ DeleteThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:VGIkk.27$Lw1.17@newsfe29.ams2...
>> >> >> >> Have a look at this webpage
>> > http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/
>> >> >> >> someone has gone to a lot of trouble in detailing recovering
> data.
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> think
>> >> >> >> it's a good place to start and see if you can follow the advice
> to
>> >> >> >> recover
>> >> >> >> your data.
>> >> >> >> I know I've used the disk before myself but to remember each
>> >> >> >> step
>> >> >> >> could
>> >> >> > take
>> >> >> >> a while.
>> >> >> >> best of luck
>> >> >> >> Neil
>> >> >> >> PS post back on your progress.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:%23SzaxK88IHA.356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> > Neil,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > WOW! Impressive! I've created a KNOPPIX Boot Image CD and it
>> > booted
>> >> > my
>> >> >> > PC
>> >> >> >> > in literally a few seconds, but I'm afraid I may have opened
>> >> > Aladdin's
>> >> >> >> > Cave,
>> >> >> >> > or maybe even Pandora's Box! Where to start, there's so much
> to
>> > see
>> >> >> > here?
>> >> >> >> > I know, given that it's now 8.30pm Friday I'll go open that
>> >> >> >> > bottle
>> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > wine
>> >> >> >> > and resume in the morning.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > By tomorrow morning, you may have read this post and offered
>> >> >> >> > me
>> > some
>> >> >> >> > suggestions about getting started on resurrecting my ailing
> HDD.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Geoff
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "neil" <neilp67_ DeleteThis @_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:P6mkk.132574$oo.8167@newsfe09.ams2...
>> >> >> >> >> Did you look at the knoppix option.
>> >> >> >> >> Neil
>> >> >> >> >> "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:ewkwpuc8IHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> > Philo, Neil, et al (BTW, who's Al?)
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Thanks for your suggestions but I'm still in the dark as to
>> >> >> >> >> > why
>> >> > W/XP
>> >> >> >> > does
>> >> >> >> >> > this wierdo logon/logoff thing, as described in my original
>> > post.
>> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > think
>> >> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> >> > still need to get the old C: drive cranked up so I can do
> the
>> >> >> > transfer
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> > the D:/E: drives and get the old C: drive ready for burial.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > So, is there a file that I could restore from the backup or
>> >> >> >> >> > repair
>> >> >> >> >> > directories that will get me past the "Windows is loading
> your
>> >> >> > personal
>> >> >> >> >> > settings" stage?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >> >> >> > Geoff
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > "GeoffWHere" <gumboot DeleteThis @shiftmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> > news:ubkRzB77IHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> >> >> My C: drive has dropped plenty of bad sectors and much of
> XP
>> >> >> >> >> >> went
>> >> >> > down
>> >> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> drain with them. I have an identical (32GB) D: with some
>> >> >> >> >> >> program
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> >> >> data
>> >> >> >> >> >> files on it that could be either sacrificed or copied to
>> >> >> >> >> >> my
>> >> >> >> >> >> 200GB
>> >> >> >> >> >> E:
>> >> >> >> >> >> drive
>> >> >> >> >> >> but none of this can be achieved without resurrecturing XP
>> >> >> >> >> >> enough
>> >> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> A)
>> >> >> >> >> > See
>> >> >> >> >> >> the D/E: drives and B) shift the files around so I can get
>> >> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> > remainder
>> >> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> >> >> XP across to the replacement (DSmile drive.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> I've been through the Repair Install procedure as detailed
> by
>> >> >> >> >> >> MS-MVP
>> >> >> >> >> > Michael
>> >> >> >> >> >> Stevens, including the link to Charlie White's article
>> > "Windows
>> >> > XP
>> >> >> >> >> > Crashed"
>> >> >> >> >> >> and the additional suggestions from MVP Alex Nichol, all
>> >> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> no
>> >> >> > avail.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> When following Charlie White's process, I get to PART 2
> where
>> >> > it's
>> >> >> >> >> >> time
>> >> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> reboot into W/XP and, after I enter the Administrator's
>> >> >> >> >> >> password,
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> > system
>> >> >> >> >> >> says it's loading personal settings and, after a pause,
> says
>> >> >> >> >> >> it's
>> >> >> >> > logging
>> >> >> >> >> >> off - back to the log in screen.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> I've tried to get into Safe Mode but get the same problem.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Is there any other magic I might use to at least get my Xp
>> >> > running
>> >> >> >> > enough
>> >> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> >> get the stuff of the C: drive before I bury it?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> My biggest concern is wiping out my Outlook mail file and
>> > other
>> >> >> >> >> >> documents/pics, etc that might get lost, not to mention
> going
>> >> >> > through
>> >> >> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >> clean install and the time/pain involved with that.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Can anybody offer assistance resolving this disaster?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance,
>> >> >> >> >> >> Geoff
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