Cannot see Windows XP Computers

"koze" wrote:

> In the netwer centre the network detecting enabled .
> And file and printersharing in there also, including the share with password
> disabled?

Yes - network detection enabled. Tried with and without printer sharing and
sharing + password. No luck.

Networking in Windows has *always* been black magic (and I'm running out of
both ideas and young virgins to sacrifice!). Tragic that MS just never seem
to get it right with each successive OS release. I've never had these
problems with Linux.

Adam.



> Ko
> "Adam_NZ" <Adam_NZ.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> schreef in bericht
> news:CBBC1296-E1EE-41BC-93E0-05BC35F9EBB3@microsoft.com...
> > Well I hate to say it folks, but please add me to the list (
> >
> > I have areal old rag-bag mixture of a network: 2 x Win2k machines, 1 x XP
> > and 1 x Linux/Ubuntu. They can ALL see each other and can all see the
> > Vista
> > machine.
> >
> > From my Vista machine, I can see nothing (excepting itself).
> >
> > I've tried all the fixes in this thread to no avail. I have no 3rd party
> > firewall on the Vista machine, but have a Sygate firewall on the other 3
> > Windows machines. Even with all firewalls off, the Vista machine is
> > "blind".
> >
> > My workgroup is set correctly (WORKGROUP) on all machines.
> >
> > I need to sort this Vista PC out as I suspect this networking problem is
> > preventing me from accessing my print server (yes - all *other* machines
> > print to it perfectly).
> >
> > HELP!!
>
>
>

Make sure you have installed LLTD (link layer topology) on the XP computer:-

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4F01A31D-EE46...1E-BA11


This fixed my problem which was the same as yours.


"Adam_NZ" <Adam_NZ DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CBBC1296-E1EE-41BC-93E0-05BC35F9EBB3@microsoft.com...
> Well I hate to say it folks, but please add me to the list (
>
> I have areal old rag-bag mixture of a network: 2 x Win2k machines, 1 x XP
> and 1 x Linux/Ubuntu. They can ALL see each other and can all see the
> Vista
> machine.
>
> From my Vista machine, I can see nothing (excepting itself).
>
> I've tried all the fixes in this thread to no avail. I have no 3rd party
> firewall on the Vista machine, but have a Sygate firewall on the other 3
> Windows machines. Even with all firewalls off, the Vista machine is
> "blind".
>
> My workgroup is set correctly (WORKGROUP) on all machines.
>
> I need to sort this Vista PC out as I suspect this networking problem is
> preventing me from accessing my print server (yes - all *other* machines
> print to it perfectly).
>
> HELP!!

Deke - thanks for the help ...

> Make sure you have installed LLTD (link layer topology) on the XP computer:-
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4F01A31D-EE46-481E-BA11-37F485FA34EA&displaylang=en
> This fixed my problem which was the same as yours.

Sadly. this voodoo didn't work either

I can ping the XP machine OK. Just to reiterate ... the XP machine sees the
Vista machine fine - just not the other way round. This is beginning to annoy
me. What's the point of "upgrading" when my network is unusable?

Adam.

> "Adam_NZ" <Adam_NZ.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CBBC1296-E1EE-41BC-93E0-05BC35F9EBB3@microsoft.com...
> > Well I hate to say it folks, but please add me to the list (
> >
> > I have areal old rag-bag mixture of a network: 2 x Win2k machines, 1 x XP
> > and 1 x Linux/Ubuntu. They can ALL see each other and can all see the
> > Vista
> > machine.
> >
> > From my Vista machine, I can see nothing (excepting itself).
> >
> > I've tried all the fixes in this thread to no avail. I have no 3rd party
> > firewall on the Vista machine, but have a Sygate firewall on the other 3
> > Windows machines. Even with all firewalls off, the Vista machine is
> > "blind".
> >
> > My workgroup is set correctly (WORKGROUP) on all machines.
> >
> > I need to sort this Vista PC out as I suspect this networking problem is
> > preventing me from accessing my print server (yes - all *other* machines
> > print to it perfectly).
> >
> > HELP!!
>
>

On Fri, 25 May 2007 07:03:01 -0700, Adam_NZ <Adam_NZ.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>Well I hate to say it folks, but please add me to the list (
>
>I have areal old rag-bag mixture of a network: 2 x Win2k machines, 1 x XP
>and 1 x Linux/Ubuntu. They can ALL see each other and can all see the Vista
>machine.
>
>From my Vista machine, I can see nothing (excepting itself).
>
>I've tried all the fixes in this thread to no avail. I have no 3rd party
>firewall on the Vista machine, but have a Sygate firewall on the other 3
>Windows machines. Even with all firewalls off, the Vista machine is "blind".
>
>My workgroup is set correctly (WORKGROUP) on all machines.
>
>I need to sort this Vista PC out as I suspect this networking problem is
>preventing me from accessing my print server (yes - all *other* machines
>print to it perfectly).
>
>HELP!!

Adam,

First make sure that your NetBT setting is consistent, and is appropriate to the
personal firewalls.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html

Then look at "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all", from each computer, and
diagnose the problem. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow
instructions precisely (download browstat!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighbor...d.html#

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

There's a handy-dandy tool that I use called Network Magic.
http://www1.networkmagic.com/

"Adam_NZ" <Adam_NZ DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CBBC1296-E1EE-41BC-93E0-05BC35F9EBB3@microsoft.com...
> Well I hate to say it folks, but please add me to the list (
>
> I have areal old rag-bag mixture of a network: 2 x Win2k machines, 1 x XP
> and 1 x Linux/Ubuntu. They can ALL see each other and can all see the
> Vista
> machine.
>
> From my Vista machine, I can see nothing (excepting itself).
>
> I've tried all the fixes in this thread to no avail. I have no 3rd party
> firewall on the Vista machine, but have a Sygate firewall on the other 3
> Windows machines. Even with all firewalls off, the Vista machine is
> "blind".
>
> My workgroup is set correctly (WORKGROUP) on all machines.
>
> I need to sort this Vista PC out as I suspect this networking problem is
> preventing me from accessing my print server (yes - all *other* machines
> print to it perfectly).
>
> HELP!!

Are there any known compatibility issues with Windows Vista home accessing a
Windows XP computer on a workgroup? I have a hard time believing we are the
only ones with this problem. I have disabled all firewalls, shared
everything, and still get an ACCESS DENIED message on the Vista computer
whenever I try to access shares on an XP computer.

Thanks for your help. -Carter




"Sen [MSFT]" wrote:

> Samski,
> Have you configured Norton so that it allows network discovery and file &
> printer sharing to take place seamlessly? If not, can you please try these
> steps?
>
> <Instructions referenced from one of Dr.Stretch' posts to this newsgroup but
> edited for your case>
> 1. Open your Norton or, other Virus program
> (I have NIS 2007 on Vista & NIS 2006 on XP) they both look the same.
> 2. Expand the Setting Tab
> 3. Under Web Browsing, click Personal Firewall
> 4. Click Configure, then if you are (Admin. click continue)
> 5. Goto Advance Settings (on side menu)
> 6. Click Configure
> 7. You are there (Do you notice all the RED arrows)
> 8. Choose any selection that has the word either "sharing" or NetBIOS
> 9. Click Modify and choose Allow (or equivalent)
>
> Repeat steps 8 & 9 for every such selection.
>
> Please note that one firewall (either Windows or any 3rd party) must be
> enabled at any time for security purposes.
>
> Thanks,
> Sen.
>
> "Samski" wrote:
>
> > Ok... wait for it! Its not working again!
> >
> > Ok so im doing better now. I can find the pcs on both ends and it appears i
> > have to disable my firewall (norton) in order to find the xp pc from this
> > one, then i can reactivate the firewall and it is still there. When i say
> > 'appears' though i mean it is intermitent. Once firewall is disabled i can
> > find other pc by searching \\pc name and when firewall comes on again i can
> > still do this, however it is still not appearing in the network folder all
> > the time - sometimes it decides to and sometimes it doesnt!
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > "Robert L [MVP - Networking]" wrote:
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Glad to head you fixed it. We learned from your experience. Thank you for the feedback and post back if you have other questions.
> > >
> > > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> > > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
> > > How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
> > > "Mike S." <MikeS RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CAF8294E-C4E4-4060-89C6-8BB48A0288BB@microsoft.com...
> > > I have also fixed this problem, but it was not firewall related. I had also
> > > tried all versions of disabling firewalls and rebooting with no luck.
> > >
> > > It turns out that I had a Creative Live! wireless webcam in my garage from
> > > several months back that powered on and connected, even though it wasn't
> > > actually working. It took Network Magic to point me in this direction, where
> > > it showed up as an unnamed device. Unplugging it resulted in all issues
> > > disappearing. Why the simple existence of this device on the network would
> > > prevent Vista from networking with XP systems is beyond me. I also have a
> > > VOIP modem connected to the router, which apparently doesn't cause problems,
> > > but which I had tried disconnecting anyway.
> > >
> > > "Robert L [MVP - Networking]" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Samski,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the detail feedback.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> > > > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
> > > > How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
> > > > "Samski" <Samski RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:07BA9115-E6D6-472C-B880-4D4FCCA86484@microsoft.com...
> > > > WAHOO! Its working. I disabled my firewall and booted the main pc and it
> > > > popped up all working in myt network place... Dont know whether the pcs just
> > > > needed a reboot or it was the firewall... Have now reconnected firewall and
> > > > all is loverly. Here are my settings (i hope they help):
> > > >
> > > > Network discovery: on
> > > > File sharing: on
> > > > public folder sharing: off
> > > > printer sharing: on (password protected)
> > > > Password protected sharing: on
> > > > Media sharing: off
> > > >
> > > > I also changed my workgroup name from WORKGROUP to MSHOME and briefly turned
> > > > of my firewall (dont know how important that it). DID NOT disable anything in
> > > > my wireless connection properties, all the tcp lltd tc things are ticked.
> > > >
> > > > I think microsoft could have atleast included something to detect worgroup
> > > > names etc.
> > > >
> > > > oh well... good look to you guys!
> > > >
> > > > sam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike S." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Bob, come on, please take this a little more seriously. I have tried every
> > > > > imaginable fix for this, including this one. All I really want to do is
> > > > > connect thsi stupid Vista machine to my printer.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Robert L [MVP - Networking]" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Make sure all computers are in the same workgroup. Also make sure enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP. These troubleshooting may help,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Step by step troubleshooting VISTA sharing
> > > > > > http://www.chicagotech.net/forum1.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vista Troubleshooting Collections
> > > > > > http://www.chicagotech.net/forum1.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> > > > > > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
> > > > > > How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
> > > > > > "Bill Fry" <BillFry RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:450229BE-7ADF-4BBB-B102-F71EDF9EFC24@microsoft.com...
> > > > > > I have 3 PC's, and 2 Notebooks on a home network. I purchased a Vista
> > > > > > Machine and can not see the XP Pro Machines. I have upgraded one machine to
> > > > > > Vista and can see the other Vista machine, but still can not see the XP
> > > > > > Boxes. All have file sharing and all have the same Workgroup Name.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can ping the machines, just not connect to them