Vista Ultimate 32 SP1: problem w/unidentified network + ICS

when connected to the cable modem with the other NIC unbridged and
disconnected, do you still see this issue?

you could probably search technet or MSDN for the info you
requested.

not sure why you are resisting getting a router. ICS is a poor
substitute.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:26:14 -0700, axelm
<axelm DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I have also tried swapping NICs. Now the WAN is on the Nvidia onboard card,
>and LAN on the Realtek 8139 card. It makes absolutely no difference.
>
>I also set primary dns suffix to mshome.net to both machines and it also
>makes no diff.
>
>I guess the only solution is to disable MS firewall and use some other FW
>product.
>
>Isn't there a way to manually set the network identification? This is a
>desktop machine, it is not roaming laptop. There HAS to be a way to disable
>the "autolearn location" feature.
>
>
>
>"axelm" wrote:
>
>> I have removed the wireless bridge. Now the network only consists of a
>> cablemodem, a Vista box with dual NIC and ICS enabled, a 10/100 switch and an
>> XP box. Everything is wired.
>>
>> I still get Unidentified network. I already tried diagnose, uninstall,
>> rebooting, etc.
>>
>> What's the next step? It would really help to know how the kernel identifies
>> a network? DNS suffix?
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> Thank
>> Axel
>>
>> "Barb Bowman" wrote:
>>
>> > running sniffer would help. you could certainly give your family
>> > peace of mind by buying a new router. there are/were alot of Super G
>> > routers out there based on the same chipset. I know D-Link and ZyXEL
>> > had some. But I also suspect that a newer N router with an Atheros
>> > chipset would be backward compatible and give you something to use
>> > in the future.
>> >
>> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:42:01 -0700, axelm
>> > <axelm DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Barb,
>> > >
>> > >Thanks for your input. I have thought about getting a new edge device, but
>> > >the Trendnet pre-MIMO router has great coverage and I already have matching
>> > >wifi cards with the same Atheros Velocity chipset. Too bad I lost the WAN
>> > >port in a thunderstorm, which BTW also killed 2 DVD players and an OpenBSD
>> > >box.
>> > >
>> > >The Trendnet device is still useful as an Ethernet-Wifi bridge. I used it
>> > >for more than a year when my home network had a Linux firewall/router/server
>> > >and XP Clients. Now I am moving my main desktop from XP to Vista, but this
>> > >Unidentified network problem disconnects the rest of the machine from the
>> > >Internet every time I reboot.
>> > >
>> > >I don't mind resetting it, but sometimes I travel for several weeks and my
>> > >wife and kids will not have Internet if there is a power failure or a Windows
>> > >Update+reboot.
>> > >
>> > >Are you saying that the unidentified network problem would disappear if I
>> > >get rid of the Trendnet device? Is there any document explaining how the
>> > >network identification system works, or do I have to sniff the Ethernet
>> > >packets to see what's going on?
>> > >
>> > >Thanks again,
>> > >Axel
>> > >
>> > >"Barb Bowman" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> you really have a bad configuration here.
>> > >>
>> > >> your best solution is to purchase a new router and use that as your
>> > >> edge device. the fact that what you have is known to be damaged
>> > >> means it isn't something worth trouble shooting.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:35:05 -0700, axelm
>> > >> <axelm DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >There is a wireless router
>> > >> >connected to my Ethernet switch which is providing 802.11 Super G to the rest
>> > >> >of the house. I am not using the wifi router as gateway to the internet
>> > >> >because a lightning screwed up the WAN port. It is only an Ethernet to 802.11
>> > >> >bridge.
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >> Barb Bowman
>> > >> MS-MVP
>> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
>> > >> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
>> > >> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
>> > >>
>> > --
>> >
>> > Barb Bowman
>> > MS-MVP
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
>> > http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
>> > http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
>> >
--

Barb Bowman
MS-MVP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com

Barb,

Even with the WAN NIC disabled I still see the problem. If I disable/enable
the LAN NIC, it identifies the network as "Network", and then after two
seconds it says "identifying" and then "Unidentified network".

I will move back to a Fedora9 or CentOS router/firewall device during August
because I am not comfortable with this network location problem. I have
looked all over the place for a solution to no avail.

Vista as a desktop solution is very nice. There are some apps that don't
work and some hardware that I will need to replace due to the lack of
drivers, but I am happy with it. It is refreshing to have a new desktop, I
was really getting tired of XP, which is very stable after so many years.

Regards

"Barb Bowman" wrote:

> when connected to the cable modem with the other NIC unbridged and
> disconnected, do you still see this issue?
>
> you could probably search technet or MSDN for the info you
> requested.
>
> not sure why you are resisting getting a router. ICS is a poor
> substitute.
>
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:26:14 -0700, axelm
> <axelm RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >I have also tried swapping NICs. Now the WAN is on the Nvidia onboard card,
> >and LAN on the Realtek 8139 card. It makes absolutely no difference.
> >
> >I also set primary dns suffix to mshome.net to both machines and it also
> >makes no diff.
> >
> >I guess the only solution is to disable MS firewall and use some other FW
> >product.
> >
> >Isn't there a way to manually set the network identification? This is a
> >desktop machine, it is not roaming laptop. There HAS to be a way to disable
> >the "autolearn location" feature.
> >
> >
> >
> >"axelm" wrote:
> >
> >> I have removed the wireless bridge. Now the network only consists of a
> >> cablemodem, a Vista box with dual NIC and ICS enabled, a 10/100 switch and an
> >> XP box. Everything is wired.
> >>
> >> I still get Unidentified network. I already tried diagnose, uninstall,
> >> rebooting, etc.
> >>
> >> What's the next step? It would really help to know how the kernel identifies
> >> a network? DNS suffix?
> >>
> >> Please advise.
> >>
> >> Thank
> >> Axel
> >>
> >> "Barb Bowman" wrote:
> >>
> >> > running sniffer would help. you could certainly give your family
> >> > peace of mind by buying a new router. there are/were alot of Super G
> >> > routers out there based on the same chipset. I know D-Link and ZyXEL
> >> > had some. But I also suspect that a newer N router with an Atheros
> >> > chipset would be backward compatible and give you something to use
> >> > in the future.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:42:01 -0700, axelm
> >> > <axelm RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >Barb,
> >> > >
> >> > >Thanks for your input. I have thought about getting a new edge device, but
> >> > >the Trendnet pre-MIMO router has great coverage and I already have matching
> >> > >wifi cards with the same Atheros Velocity chipset. Too bad I lost the WAN
> >> > >port in a thunderstorm, which BTW also killed 2 DVD players and an OpenBSD
> >> > >box.
> >> > >
> >> > >The Trendnet device is still useful as an Ethernet-Wifi bridge. I used it
> >> > >for more than a year when my home network had a Linux firewall/router/server
> >> > >and XP Clients. Now I am moving my main desktop from XP to Vista, but this
> >> > >Unidentified network problem disconnects the rest of the machine from the
> >> > >Internet every time I reboot.
> >> > >
> >> > >I don't mind resetting it, but sometimes I travel for several weeks and my
> >> > >wife and kids will not have Internet if there is a power failure or a Windows
> >> > >Update+reboot.
> >> > >
> >> > >Are you saying that the unidentified network problem would disappear if I
> >> > >get rid of the Trendnet device? Is there any document explaining how the
> >> > >network identification system works, or do I have to sniff the Ethernet
> >> > >packets to see what's going on?
> >> > >
> >> > >Thanks again,
> >> > >Axel
> >> > >
> >> > >"Barb Bowman" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> you really have a bad configuration here.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> your best solution is to purchase a new router and use that as your
> >> > >> edge device. the fact that what you have is known to be damaged
> >> > >> means it isn't something worth trouble shooting.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:35:05 -0700, axelm
> >> > >> <axelm RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >There is a wireless router
> >> > >> >connected to my Ethernet switch which is providing 802.11 Super G to the rest
> >> > >> >of the house. I am not using the wifi router as gateway to the internet
> >> > >> >because a lightning screwed up the WAN port. It is only an Ethernet to 802.11
> >> > >> >bridge.
> >> > >> --
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Barb Bowman
> >> > >> MS-MVP
> >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
> >> > >> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
> >> > >> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
> >> > >>
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Barb Bowman
> >> > MS-MVP
> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
> >> > http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
> >> > http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
> >> >
> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS-MVP
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
>