Windows Vista x64 searches 5 times longer than Windows XP!

"Dima" <kopn.DeleteThis@bk.ruDelete> wrote in message
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> Hello!
> Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress in
> the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the sand
> glass)?
> When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever. That
> is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first goes
> half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about 3/4 of
> the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then more slowly
> still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each redraw - but never
> quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it gets to the little
> down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give up when it gets there
> and report that it can't find what it's searching for. But it doesn't.
> It keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator at the end of the
> Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace across the red "X" and...
> hours later, the green bar is still being redrawn and it STILL hasn't got
> to the end.
> Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for the
> same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.


It's worse than that. It also sometimes cannot find files that are clearly
there.

ss.

Hi, Dima.

Is there an echo in here?

This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes, here it
is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows Vista x64 search
so long? Like this current post, it was cross-posted to 3 NGs; that thread
has 9 posts, of which 5 were from you. One is from me, one from Tony
Sperling and 2 from Colin Barnhorst.

The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my post of
4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my description of the
problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from somewhere, common courtesy (and
Netiquette) requires that you identify the source.

Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you just
asking the same question again?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc RemoveThis @grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Dima" <kopn RemoveThis @bk.ruDelete> wrote in message
news:#uU#J3ssIHA.4544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hello!
> Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress in
> the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the sand
> glass)?
> When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever. That
> is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first goes
> half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about 3/4 of
> the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then more slowly
> still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each redraw - but never
> quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it gets to the little
> down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give up when it gets there
> and report that it can't find what it's searching for. But it doesn't.
> It keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator at the end of the
> Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace across the red "X" and...
> hours later, the green bar is still being redrawn and it STILL hasn't got
> to the end.
> Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for the
> same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
> Sincerely,
> Dima

No, I have not find any new information. It's strange that nobody knows a
resolution to the slow search in Vista!
"R. C. White" <rc DeleteThis @grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:C9056DE7-49E1-4F39-A329-68465C4CB203@microsoft.com...
> Hi, Dima.
>
> Is there an echo in here?
>
> This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes, here
> it is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows Vista x64
> search so long? Like this current post, it was cross-posted to 3 NGs;
> that thread has 9 posts, of which 5 were from you. One is from me, one
> from Tony Sperling and 2 from Colin Barnhorst.
>
> The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my post
> of 4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my description
> of the problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from somewhere, common
> courtesy (and Netiquette) requires that you identify the source.
>
> Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you just
> asking the same question again?
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc DeleteThis @grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
> "Dima" <kopn DeleteThis @bk.ruDelete> wrote in message
> news:#uU#J3ssIHA.4544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Hello!
>> Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress
>> in the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the
>> sand glass)?
>> When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever.
>> That is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first
>> goes half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about
>> 3/4 of the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then more
>> slowly still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each redraw -
>> but never quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it gets to the
>> little down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give up when it gets
>> there and report that it can't find what it's searching for. But it
>> doesn't. It keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator at the
>> end of the Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace across the
>> red "X" and... hours later, the green bar is still being redrawn and it
>> STILL hasn't got to the end.
>> Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for the
>> same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
>> Sincerely,
>> Dima
>

I am sure there are many who know how to "fix it", at least, in principle.
And many of them are at Microsoft. <g>

Without going into the details of search theory or methods of
implementation: It could well be that nothing is actually broken so does not
need fixing in the strict sense. Possibly, the search algorithms are
performing exactly as designed. However, it also might be true that they
could be better implemented. For example, they could be recoded into
assembly or direct machine code-seldom done now-but that's a topic for a
different place and time. As one example of a fast search-isoHunt, a Torrent
search engine, is very rapid considering the vast quantity of data indexed
however it retunes a quantity of false positives.

In designing any program, there are many trade-offs. All of them affect the
search speed. E.g. Do you do a full, all storage devices search or limit it
to a particular set of locations (Vista actually allows the user to modify
to search entire index or just user files). How highly do you value
reliability (same results on repeated searches of the same data),
accuracy/fuzziness (result matches target/result is a near match), &c. But
Here I am probably not saying anything you don't know.

In short, if it's not too late for that, we can be certain that these are
matters that are routinely reviewed as development goes forward as halting
and retrograde as that motion sometimes appears.
--

Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007


"Dima" <kopn.RemoveThis@bk.ruDelete> wrote in message
news:OsthwNGtIHA.5268@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> No, I have not find any new information. It's strange that nobody knows a
> resolution to the slow search in Vista!
> "R. C. White" <rc.RemoveThis@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> news:C9056DE7-49E1-4F39-A329-68465C4CB203@microsoft.com...
>> Hi, Dima.
>>
>> Is there an echo in here?
>>
>> This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes, here
>> it is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows Vista x64
>> search so long? Like this current post, it was cross-posted to 3 NGs;
>> that thread has 9 posts, of which 5 were from you. One is from me, one
>> from Tony Sperling and 2 from Colin Barnhorst.
>>
>> The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my post
>> of 4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my description
>> of the problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from somewhere, common
>> courtesy (and Netiquette) requires that you identify the source.
>>
>> Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you just
>> asking the same question again?
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> rc.RemoveThis@grandecom.net
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>>
>> "Dima" <kopn.RemoveThis@bk.ruDelete> wrote in message
>> news:#uU#J3ssIHA.4544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hello!
>>> Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress
>>> in the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the
>>> sand glass)?
>>> When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever.
>>> That is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first
>>> goes half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about
>>> 3/4 of the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then
>>> more slowly still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each
>>> redraw - but never quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it gets
>>> to the little down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give up when
>>> it gets there and report that it can't find what it's searching for.
>>> But it doesn't. It keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator
>>> at the end of the Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace
>>> across the red "X" and... hours later, the green bar is still being
>>> redrawn and it STILL hasn't got to the end.
>>> Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for
>>> the same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Dima
>>
>

Why don't they reply then?
"Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgroups DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23pbg8bOtIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I am sure there are many who know how to "fix it", at least, in principle.
>And many of them are at Microsoft. <g>
>
> Without going into the details of search theory or methods of
> implementation: It could well be that nothing is actually broken so does
> not need fixing in the strict sense. Possibly, the search algorithms are
> performing exactly as designed. However, it also might be true that they
> could be better implemented. For example, they could be recoded into
> assembly or direct machine code-seldom done now-but that's a topic for a
> different place and time. As one example of a fast search-isoHunt, a
> Torrent search engine, is very rapid considering the vast quantity of
> data indexed however it retunes a quantity of false positives.
>
> In designing any program, there are many trade-offs. All of them affect
> the search speed. E.g. Do you do a full, all storage devices search or
> limit it to a particular set of locations (Vista actually allows the user
> to modify to search entire index or just user files). How highly do you
> value reliability (same results on repeated searches of the same data),
> accuracy/fuzziness (result matches target/result is a near match), &c. But
> Here I am probably not saying anything you don't know.
>
> In short, if it's not too late for that, we can be certain that these are
> matters that are routinely reviewed as development goes forward as halting
> and retrograde as that motion sometimes appears.
> --
>
> Tom
> MSMVP 1998-2007
>
>
> "Dima" <kopn DeleteThis @bk.ruDelete> wrote in message
> news:OsthwNGtIHA.5268@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> No, I have not find any new information. It's strange that nobody knows a
>> resolution to the slow search in Vista!
>> "R. C. White" <rc DeleteThis @grandecom.net> wrote in message
>> news:C9056DE7-49E1-4F39-A329-68465C4CB203@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi, Dima.
>>>
>>> Is there an echo in here?
>>>
>>> This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes,
>>> here it is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows Vista
>>> x64 search so long? Like this current post, it was cross-posted to 3
>>> NGs; that thread has 9 posts, of which 5 were from you. One is from me,
>>> one from Tony Sperling and 2 from Colin Barnhorst.
>>>
>>> The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my
>>> post of 4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my
>>> description of the problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from
>>> somewhere, common courtesy (and Netiquette) requires that you identify
>>> the source.
>>>
>>> Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you
>>> just asking the same question again?
>>>
>>> RC
>>> --
>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>> San Marcos, TX
>>> rc DeleteThis @grandecom.net
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>>>
>>> "Dima" <kopn DeleteThis @bk.ruDelete> wrote in message
>>> news:#uU#J3ssIHA.4544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hello!
>>>> Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress
>>>> in the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the
>>>> sand glass)?
>>>> When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever.
>>>> That is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first
>>>> goes half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about
>>>> 3/4 of the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then
>>>> more slowly still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each
>>>> redraw - but never quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it
>>>> gets to the little down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give
>>>> up when it gets there and report that it can't find what it's searching
>>>> for. But it doesn't. It keeps creeping further, past the vertical
>>>> separator at the end of the Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow
>>>> pace across the red "X" and... hours later, the green bar is still
>>>> being redrawn and it STILL hasn't got to the end.
>>>> Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for
>>>> the same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Dima
>>>
>>
>

They probably haven't found an answer either.

If someone had an answer they would have shared the information.


Dima wrote:
> Why don't they reply then?
> "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgroups RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23pbg8bOtIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I am sure there are many who know how to "fix it", at least, in
>> principle. And many of them are at Microsoft. <g>
>>
>> Without going into the details of search theory or methods of
>> implementation: It could well be that nothing is actually broken so
>> does not need fixing in the strict sense. Possibly, the search
>> algorithms are performing exactly as designed. However, it also might
>> be true that they could be better implemented. For example, they could
>> be recoded into assembly or direct machine code-seldom done now-but
>> that's a topic for a different place and time. As one example of a
>> fast search-isoHunt, a Torrent search engine, is very rapid
>> considering the vast quantity of data indexed however it retunes a
>> quantity of false positives.
>>
>> In designing any program, there are many trade-offs. All of them
>> affect the search speed. E.g. Do you do a full, all storage devices
>> search or limit it to a particular set of locations (Vista actually
>> allows the user to modify to search entire index or just user files).
>> How highly do you value reliability (same results on repeated searches
>> of the same data), accuracy/fuzziness (result matches target/result is
>> a near match), &c. But Here I am probably not saying anything you
>> don't know.
>>
>> In short, if it's not too late for that, we can be certain that these
>> are matters that are routinely reviewed as development goes forward as
>> halting and retrograde as that motion sometimes appears.
>> --
>>
>> Tom
>> MSMVP 1998-2007
>>
>>
>> "Dima" <kopn RemoveThis @bk.ruDelete> wrote in message
>> news:OsthwNGtIHA.5268@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> No, I have not find any new information. It's strange that nobody
>>> knows a resolution to the slow search in Vista!
>>> "R. C. White" <rc RemoveThis @grandecom.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C9056DE7-49E1-4F39-A329-68465C4CB203@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi, Dima.
>>>>
>>>> Is there an echo in here?
>>>>
>>>> This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes,
>>>> here it is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows
>>>> Vista x64 search so long? Like this current post, it was
>>>> cross-posted to 3 NGs; that thread has 9 posts, of which 5 were from
>>>> you. One is from me, one from Tony Sperling and 2 from Colin
>>>> Barnhorst.
>>>>
>>>> The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my
>>>> post of 4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my
>>>> description of the problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from
>>>> somewhere, common courtesy (and Netiquette) requires that you
>>>> identify the source.
>>>>
>>>> Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you
>>>> just asking the same question again?
>>>>
>>>> RC
>>>> --
>>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>>> San Marcos, TX
>>>> rc RemoveThis @grandecom.net
>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>>>>
>>>> "Dima" <kopn RemoveThis @bk.ruDelete> wrote in message
>>>> news:#uU#J3ssIHA.4544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>> Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the
>>>>> progress in the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a
>>>>> replacement for the sand glass)?
>>>>> When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly
>>>>> forever. That is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer,
>>>>> the bar first goes half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes
>>>>> more slowly to about 3/4 of the way, appearing to redraw the bar
>>>>> every second or so, then more slowly still to 7/8, etc., getting
>>>>> closer to the end with each redraw - but never quite reaching the
>>>>> end. I watch hopefully as it gets to the little down-pointing
>>>>> triangle, thinking that it will give up when it gets there and
>>>>> report that it can't find what it's searching for. But it doesn't.
>>>>> It keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator at the end
>>>>> of the Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace across the
>>>>> red "X" and... hours later, the green bar is still being redrawn
>>>>> and it STILL hasn't got to the end.
>>>>> Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches
>>>>> for the same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Dima
>>>>
>>>
>>
>