(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windows>vista>security (more info?)
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:59:20 -0400, Paul Adare - MVP
<pkadare DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, Gordon wrote:
>
>> <sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a
>> Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you
>> access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you
>> have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it...
>
><sigh> - No they don't. The MAC address is registered with the provider
>which is what allows one to get an IP address, there is no user name and
>password assigned. You seem to think you know a lot about this for someone
>who isn't even on this continent.
Please: we're "the Colonies" <harrumph!>
How does your explanation reconcile purchasing one's own modem (which
I did) and it works right out of the box?
The RCN cable company I mentioned earlier uses the MAC address method.
If one buys their own modem, all they have to do is call the support
desk and give them the MAC.
(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:24 pm
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:53:12 -0500, Paul Montgomery
<i.m.nonnymous.DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, "Gordon"
><gordonbparker.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it
>>> isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the
>>> switching station's end.
>>>
>>> NO log-in credentials required.
>>>
>>> Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with
>>> multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer
>>> connected to the modem.
>>>
>>
>><sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a
>>Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you
>>access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you
>>have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it...
>
><bigger sigh>
>
>You're full of it Gordon.
>
>I purchase my own modems. Are you saying that somehow my ISP
>magically inserts the Username and Password?
>
>You need some sleep.
I hope "Gordon" isn't the same "Gordon" running the web-hosting
service.
(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:25 pm
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"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous DeleteThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:45:00 -0400, Paul Adare - MVP
> <pkadare DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:28 +0100, Gordon wrote:
>>
>>> I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will
>>> contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control
>>> who
>>> uses it's services?
>>
>>And you'd be wrong. Access is typically controlled by restricting the
>>subnet from which access can be gained to those subnets controlled by the
>>ISP in question. While there are some ISPs that use PPOE most are simply
>>direct connect with no user name or password required.
>
> RCN - a struggling ISP/phone/cable provider - while not requiring
> log-in credentials - does require that the modem be "registered" with
> them. One either rents the modem from them - or buys their own - and
> the machine ID is then allowed to connect.
>
> Routers can be used at will behind the modem.
(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:30 pm
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<double sigh> You are both right and both wrong.
Paul - yeah, depending on your service, you put a username and password into
the MODEM. My DSL modem/router certainly does have a place to put my
username and password and if I don't put them in there it won't connect.
Gordon - yeah, that's true for DSL ... but for CABLE modems, there is no
place to put a username and password, the MAC address controls whether or
not you can access the Internet.
So both of you may wish to consider that your view depends entirely on the
direction one is looking in.
"Paul Adare - MVP" <pkadare.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, Gordon wrote:
>
>> <sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in
>> it a
>> Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you
>> access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account
>> you
>> have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with
>> it...
>
> <sigh> - No they don't. The MAC address is registered with the provider
> which is what allows one to get an IP address, there is no user name and
> password assigned. You seem to think you know a lot about this for someone
> who isn't even on this continent.
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
> http://www.identit.ca > The moving cursor prints, and having printed, blinks on.
(Msg. 29) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:11 pm
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:30:39 -0400, Richard G. Harper wrote:
> Paul - yeah, depending on your service, you put a username and password into
> the MODEM. My DSL modem/router certainly does have a place to put my
> username and password and if I don't put them in there it won't connect.
You might to actually read the post of mine where I mentioned PPOE there
sport.
--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
RAM: A male sheep.
(Msg. 30) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:57 pm
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Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got answer I
can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. I DO! Anyway
this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed yet - hard for me
to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL server, which I didn't
have before. So now I can't get mail or newsgroups. Such agita.
"Coogee" <coogee RemoveThis @peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up
> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set up
> OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the
> newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to
> log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password
> are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and password,
> and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am
> giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't begin to
> download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in the account
> screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows security
> options off that I could find, but still can't get past the security
> screen. Any advice on this?
>
(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:23 pm
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" Coogee" <coogee RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got answer
> I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. I DO!
> Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed yet - hard
> for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL server, which I
> didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or newsgroups. Such agita.
>
> "Coogee" <coogee RemoveThis @peoplepc.com> wrote in message
> news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up
>> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set
>> up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the
>> newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to
>> log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password
>> are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and password,
>> and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am
>> giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't begin to
>> download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in the account
>> screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows security
>> options off that I could find, but still can't get past the security
>> screen. Any advice on this?
>>
>
Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and
password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). But
sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and complain and see
where that goes.
(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:28 am
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I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So that's
not the problem. Thanks for replying, though.
"JohnJ" <theislands DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>" Coogee" <coogee DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:6C12EB8D-1580-400C-8119-99025B6965A5@microsoft.com...
>> Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got
>> answer I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not.
>> I DO! Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed
>> yet - hard for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL
>> server, which I didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or
>> newsgroups. Such agita.
>>
>> "Coogee" <coogee DeleteThis @peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>> news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up
>>> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set
>>> up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the
>>> newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me
>>> to log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and
>>> password are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and
>>> password, and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same
>>> prompt. I am giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't
>>> begin to download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in
>>> the account screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows
>>> security options off that I could find, but still can't get past the
>>> security screen. Any advice on this?
>>>
>>
>
> Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and
> password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). But
> sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and complain and
> see where that goes.
>
> John
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