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On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:28 +0100, Gordon wrote:

> I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will
> contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who
> uses it's services?

And you'd be wrong. Access is typically controlled by restricting the
subnet from which access can be gained to those subnets controlled by the
ISP in question. While there are some ISPs that use PPOE most are simply
direct connect with no user name or password required.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Your password is pitifully obvious.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:28 +0100, "Gordon"
<gordonbparker.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous.RemoveThis@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>news:2oc9d4do3mrthdt4jh1949cv209oeb2599@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:23:42 +0100, "Gordon"
>> <gordonbparker.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>"Dave T." <davey.RemoveThis@MyPlace.net> wrote in message
>>>news:jkZAk.1098$c45.775@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>
>>>> Alas, 'tis the same for me. I use T-bird, but regardless of what reader
>>>> I
>>>> use the news server is provided to me through my ISP, and a log on is
>>>> required to access it. They don't want to give the news server for free,
>>>> it is only for subscribers.
>>>
>>>Interesting. In the UK, if you are accessing the internet through a
>>>particular ISP, which always involves log-in credentials, the ISP assumes
>>>you ARE a subscriber, and thus does not require a separate log-in for the
>>>news server....way to go USA!
>>
>> Umm... Gordon, old boy: In the USA, most always-on broadband
>> connections don't require a log-in.
>>
>
>I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will
>contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who
>uses it's services?

??

We use MODEMS, not routers.

In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it
isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the
switching station's end.

NO log-in credentials required.

Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with
multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer
connected to the modem.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:45:00 -0400, Paul Adare - MVP
<pkadare RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:28 +0100, Gordon wrote:
>
>> I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will
>> contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who
>> uses it's services?
>
>And you'd be wrong. Access is typically controlled by restricting the
>subnet from which access can be gained to those subnets controlled by the
>ISP in question. While there are some ISPs that use PPOE most are simply
>direct connect with no user name or password required.

RCN - a struggling ISP/phone/cable provider - while not requiring
log-in credentials - does require that the modem be "registered" with
them. One either rents the modem from them - or buys their own - and
the machine ID is then allowed to connect.

Routers can be used at will behind the modem.

"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous RemoveThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:mrhhd4t20jo5uk1u2ar85ug9n6mpmiua2a@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:28 +0100, "Gordon"
> <gordonbparker RemoveThis @yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous RemoveThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:2oc9d4do3mrthdt4jh1949cv209oeb2599@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:23:42 +0100, "Gordon"
>>> <gordonbparker RemoveThis @yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Dave T." <davey RemoveThis @MyPlace.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:jkZAk.1098$c45.775@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Alas, 'tis the same for me. I use T-bird, but regardless of what
>>>>> reader
>>>>> I
>>>>> use the news server is provided to me through my ISP, and a log on is
>>>>> required to access it. They don't want to give the news server for
>>>>> free,
>>>>> it is only for subscribers.
>>>>
>>>>Interesting. In the UK, if you are accessing the internet through a
>>>>particular ISP, which always involves log-in credentials, the ISP
>>>>assumes
>>>>you ARE a subscriber, and thus does not require a separate log-in for
>>>>the
>>>>news server....way to go USA!
>>>
>>> Umm... Gordon, old boy: In the USA, most always-on broadband
>>> connections don't require a log-in.
>>>
>>
>>I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will
>>contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who
>>uses it's services?
>
> ??
>
> We use MODEMS, not routers.
>
> In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it
> isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the
> switching station's end.
>
> NO log-in credentials required.
>
> Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with
> multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer
> connected to the modem.
>

<sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a
Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you
access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you
have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it...

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, Gordon wrote:

> <sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a
> Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you
> access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you
> have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it...

<sigh> - No they don't. The MAC address is registered with the provider
which is what allows one to get an IP address, there is no user name and
password assigned. You seem to think you know a lot about this for someone
who isn't even on this continent.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
The moving cursor prints, and having printed, blinks on.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, "Gordon"
<gordonbparker.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>> In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it
>> isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the
>> switching station's end.
>>
>> NO log-in credentials required.
>>
>> Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with
>> multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer
>> connected to the modem.
>>
>
><sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a
>Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you
>access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you
>have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it...

<bigger sigh>

You're full of it Gordon.

I purchase my own modems. Are you saying that somehow my ISP
magically inserts the Username and Password?

You need some sleep.