(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:13 pm
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goorambatman wrote:
> There are a lot of System Fixers/Maintainers/Registry Repairers out there,
> which one is the best and what do you recommend?
>
None of them. They're all virtually useless, and potentially
dangerous, as well. Any so-called registry "cleaner" is nothing more
than a worthless snake oil remedy whose sole purpose is to separate you
from some of your money.
> I've had good results with Registry Mechanic ....
What "results" did you have? About the best that can be expected is
that the OS remained usable.
Snipped....
> ...and noticed that they are Certified Microsoft Partners.
Which means only that they've paid a licensing fee to Microsoft so they
can use Microsoft logos in their advertising material. It *doesn't*
mean that Microsoft endorses/recommends them or the use of their products.
Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry "cleaner?"
If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.
The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.
Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.
More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's
certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
worth the risk.
Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.
I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.
(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:55 pm
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"John Barnett MVP" <freelance.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:eNM9Nrv#IHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
> I too use CCleaner but I don't use the 'Registry' button
>
Well, the registry is where the Windows history is stored so it can have
it's uses too. I don't like progs that leave behind a history of their
installation so use CCleaner's reg cleaner to delete those too.
(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:02 pm
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"Wingwong Woo" <ww.RemoveThis@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in message
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> Well, the registry is where the Windows history is stored so it can have
> it's uses too. I don't like progs that leave behind a history of their
> installation so use CCleaner's reg cleaner to delete those too.
You then want to use a program called Revo Uninstaller, which not only
uninstalls a program but searches the registry for entries left behind by
the uninstaller. It highlights the safe keys to delete. Great, great
program - haven't had a problem using it and, best of all, it's GRATIS!
(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:28 am
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:02:17 -0400, "Athanasian Creed <><"
<athanasian_creed(NOSPAM)@(NOSPAM)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Wingwong Woo" <ww.DeleteThis@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in message
> news:YEWnk.125834$kx.5998@pd7urf3no...
>
> > Well, the registry is where the Windows history is stored so it can have
> > it's uses too. I don't like progs that leave behind a history of their
> > installation so use CCleaner's reg cleaner to delete those too.
>
>
> You then want to use a program called Revo Uninstaller, which not only
> uninstalls a program but searches the registry for entries left behind by
> the uninstaller. It highlights the safe keys to delete. Great, great
> program - haven't had a problem using it and, best of all, it's GRATIS!
I'm glad you haven't had a problem using it, but I strongly recommend
against using any program like this. That's for two reasons:
1. Although most of the time, doing what it does does not create a
problem, occasionally it will remove something it shouldn't, and will
create a problem. If you haven't had a problem using it, consider
yourself lucky.
2. Other than saving a tiny amount of disk space, there is *no*
benefit to removing those orphaned registry entries. It doesn't
improve your performance at all.
In my view, running any risk at all, no matter how small, that such a
program may erroneously remove a needed registry entry, in return for
zero benefit, is foolhardy.
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:28 pm
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:28:11 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake.TakeThisOut@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:02:17 -0400, "Athanasian Creed <><"
><athanasian_creed(NOSPAM)@(NOSPAM)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Wingwong Woo" <ww.TakeThisOut@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:YEWnk.125834$kx.5998@pd7urf3no...
>>
>> > Well, the registry is where the Windows history is stored so it can have
>> > it's uses too. I don't like progs that leave behind a history of their
>> > installation so use CCleaner's reg cleaner to delete those too.
>>
>>
>> You then want to use a program called Revo Uninstaller, which not only
>> uninstalls a program but searches the registry for entries left behind by
>> the uninstaller. It highlights the safe keys to delete. Great, great
>> program - haven't had a problem using it and, best of all, it's GRATIS!
>
>
>I'm glad you haven't had a problem using it, but I strongly recommend
>against using any program like this. That's for two reasons:
>
>1. Although most of the time, doing what it does does not create a
>problem, occasionally it will remove something it shouldn't, and will
>create a problem. If you haven't had a problem using it, consider
>yourself lucky.
>
>2. Other than saving a tiny amount of disk space, there is *no*
>benefit to removing those orphaned registry entries. It doesn't
>improve your performance at all.
>
>In my view, running any risk at all, no matter how small, that such a
>program may erroneously remove a needed registry entry, in return for
>zero benefit, is foolhardy.
Tightening up the size of the Registry DOES one thing good and MANY
things bad. It CAN speed up the loading of the computer, BY A VERY
SMALL AMOUNT!! THAT is the good thing!!!
The bad thing....it can make your computer unbootable!!!! If you have
no clue how to back up the Registry AND restore it if you screw up,
LEAVE IT ALONE!!!! Yes programs can mess it up really badly too!!!!
(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:28 pm
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:28:22 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeorge RemoveThis @yourplace.com>
wrote:
>Tightening up the size of the Registry DOES one thing good and MANY
>things bad. It CAN speed up the loading of the computer, BY A VERY
>SMALL AMOUNT!! THAT is the good thing!!!
It is SO small that you won't even notice it. A benchmarking tool
probably wouldn't even notice it.
"Back in the day" of sloooooooooooow processors, low RAM and small
slow hard drives it might have been noticable. Today? No way.
(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:28 pm
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:28:22 GMT, f/fgeorge <ffgeorge.TakeThisOut@yourplace.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:28:11 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
> <kblake.TakeThisOut@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:02:17 -0400, "Athanasian Creed <><"
> ><athanasian_creed(NOSPAM)@(NOSPAM)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Wingwong Woo" <ww.TakeThisOut@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:YEWnk.125834$kx.5998@pd7urf3no...
> >>
> >> > Well, the registry is where the Windows history is stored so it can have
> >> > it's uses too. I don't like progs that leave behind a history of their
> >> > installation so use CCleaner's reg cleaner to delete those too.
> >>
> >>
> >> You then want to use a program called Revo Uninstaller, which not only
> >> uninstalls a program but searches the registry for entries left behind by
> >> the uninstaller. It highlights the safe keys to delete. Great, great
> >> program - haven't had a problem using it and, best of all, it's GRATIS!
> >
> >
> >I'm glad you haven't had a problem using it, but I strongly recommend
> >against using any program like this. That's for two reasons:
> >
> >1. Although most of the time, doing what it does does not create a
> >problem, occasionally it will remove something it shouldn't, and will
> >create a problem. If you haven't had a problem using it, consider
> >yourself lucky.
> >
> >2. Other than saving a tiny amount of disk space, there is *no*
> >benefit to removing those orphaned registry entries. It doesn't
> >improve your performance at all.
> >
> >In my view, running any risk at all, no matter how small, that such a
> >program may erroneously remove a needed registry entry, in return for
> >zero benefit, is foolhardy.
>
> Tightening up the size of the Registry DOES one thing good and MANY
> things bad. It CAN speed up the loading of the computer, BY A VERY
> SMALL AMOUNT!! THAT is the good thing!!!
Not even that. If it does it at all, it's such a small amount as to be
unnoticeable.
> The bad thing....it can make your computer unbootable!!!! If you have
> no clue how to back up the Registry AND restore it if you screw up,
> LEAVE IT ALONE!!!! Yes programs can mess it up really badly too!!!!
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:46 pm
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hello. i think one must clean registry periodically. garbidge-keys make
OS run slow. also HD's garbidge do the same. i use "vista manager v1.2"
and it's really cool. my vista x64 runs amazing. regards
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