(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:09 am
Post subject: Hide Vista partition(s) from Windows XP - Fix for System Restore Point Corruption! Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windows>vista>general, others (more info?)
One of the most common questions I've seen asked here is if it's
possible to hide the Windows Vista partition from Windows XP
installations because of the bug where Windows XP will delete the
system restore points for all Vista installs on that machine if it
sees the drive [1]. One solution is to use Bitlocker drive encryption
which rarely works and another is to use 3rd party paid products like
PQBoot or Acronis OS Selector - none of which are very compatible nor
free; and tend to create more problems than they solve.
Here is another solution which uses the 100% free EasyBCD and the
NeoGrub component - unlike other options, these were built for,
around, and on Windows Vista, so compatibility is a non-issue.
You can use NeoGrub to boot into multiple Windows XP installations and
hide all Vista installs in the progress as well; circumventing the
system restore bug entirely.
(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:22 am
Post subject: Re: Hide Vista partition(s) from Windows XP - Fix for System Restore Point Corruption! [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
This is a nice tip in the tools to protect the Vista restore points when you
boot to another OS on the same box, however...
One of the things that has perplexed me as to this issue is why the hell
people need to boot to their XP desktop much at all, since one can create a
two click shortcut in seconds from the Vista desktop to the XP desktop
accessing everything on XP except Outlook Express. They can copy any OE
folders or messages to the Vista desktop once they do boot to XP. They can
easily merge their XP Outlook with Vista Outlook.
To access the XP desktop or using the same method anywhere else on Win XP
except OE:
XP Drive as labled from Vista:\Documents and Settings\User's profile on
XP\Desktop (or whatever other location you need's filepath)
CH
"Computer Guru" <ComputerGuru DeleteThis @NeoSmart.net> wrote in message
news:1180796979.592160.129270@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> One of the most common questions I've seen asked here is if it's
> possible to hide the Windows Vista partition from Windows XP
> installations because of the bug where Windows XP will delete the
> system restore points for all Vista installs on that machine if it
> sees the drive [1]. One solution is to use Bitlocker drive encryption
> which rarely works and another is to use 3rd party paid products like
> PQBoot or Acronis OS Selector - none of which are very compatible nor
> free; and tend to create more problems than they solve.
>
> Here is another solution which uses the 100% free EasyBCD and the
> NeoGrub component - unlike other options, these were built for,
> around, and on Windows Vista, so compatibility is a non-issue.
>
> You can use NeoGrub to boot into multiple Windows XP installations and
> hide all Vista installs in the progress as well; circumventing the
> system restore bug entirely.
>
> These are the detailed step-by-step instructions:
> http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/hide-vista-partition-from-xp/ >
> EasyBCD can be downloaded for free from http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 > NeoGrub Documentation (WIP): http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/NeoGrub >
> Hope this helps!
>
> [1]: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185 >
> -Computer Guru
> http://neosmart.net/ >
(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Hide Vista partition(s) from Windows XP - Fix for System Restore Point Corruption! [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Personally, I would insert a Harddrive Cradle on the front of the computer
so that you can simply turn one HD off and the other on. That way you
simply change the OS by switching harddrives. Its so simple and safe.
Cradles work great because you can easily keep 2 or 3 Harddrives plugged
into the computer at all times. Then you have a switch that turns power to
the HD on or off.
Simple click of the switch does it all.
"Computer Guru" <ComputerGuru.TakeThisOut@NeoSmart.net> wrote in message
news:1180796979.592160.129270@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> One of the most common questions I've seen asked here is if it's
> possible to hide the Windows Vista partition from Windows XP
> installations because of the bug where Windows XP will delete the
> system restore points for all Vista installs on that machine if it
> sees the drive [1]. One solution is to use Bitlocker drive encryption
> which rarely works and another is to use 3rd party paid products like
> PQBoot or Acronis OS Selector - none of which are very compatible nor
> free; and tend to create more problems than they solve.
>
> Here is another solution which uses the 100% free EasyBCD and the
> NeoGrub component - unlike other options, these were built for,
> around, and on Windows Vista, so compatibility is a non-issue.
>
> You can use NeoGrub to boot into multiple Windows XP installations and
> hide all Vista installs in the progress as well; circumventing the
> system restore bug entirely.
>
> These are the detailed step-by-step instructions:
> http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/hide-vista-partition-from-xp/ >
> EasyBCD can be downloaded for free from http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 > NeoGrub Documentation (WIP): http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/NeoGrub >
> Hope this helps!
>
> [1]: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185 >
> -Computer Guru
> http://neosmart.net/ >
(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Hide Vista partition(s) from Windows XP - Fix for System Restore Point Corruption! [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
These are good suggestions.
It might be even simpler if Microsoft just allowed you to specify where the
system restore files are saved so they are not seen by XP. I presume one can
manually do this, or write a simple batch file that will do it on closing.
That one would have to resort to any of this tells you all you need to know
about programming decisions at Microsoft. If security was really a concern
in the creation of Vista this idiot bug could not have been overlooked.
What self-serving weanies.
Booting to the XP desktop from Vista is not a solution for the millions of
us for whom Vista simply does not work adequately for performing real,
everyday tasks as opposed to endless twiddling with a defective operating
system.
(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Hide Vista partition(s) from Windows XP - Fix for System Restore Point Corruption! [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
On Jun 2, 6:49 pm, "babaloo" <fac... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> These are good suggestions.
> It might be even simpler if Microsoft just allowed you to specify where the
> system restore files are saved so they are not seen by XP. I presume one can
> manually do this, or write a simple batch file that will do it on closing.
> That one would have to resort to any of this tells you all you need to know
> about programming decisions at Microsoft. If security was really a concern
> in the creation of Vista this idiot bug could not have been overlooked.
> What self-serving weanies.
> Booting to the XP desktop from Vista is not a solution for the millions of
> us for whom Vista simply does not work adequately for performing real,
> everyday tasks as opposed to endless twiddling with a defective operating
> system.
Actually what would be best if Microsoft just patched the damn bug
already!
How difficult can it be?
"IF systemrestorefiles.osversion.major = 6 THEN DON'T DELETE IT!"
Well, you get the picture. Even if it needs a hotfix to Vista to make
it add an identifying mark that says "this was made in vista" and
another hotfix in XP that checks if it was made in Vista or not, it
would still be worth it - and not dificult.
(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Hide Vista partition(s) from Windows XP - Fix for System Restore Point Corruption! [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
its good to see some people pop in here who know what they are doing.
Usually this newsgroup is plagued by computer illiterate vistaboys that
claim to know stuff.
"Computer Guru" <ComputerGuru.DeleteThis@NeoSmart.net> wrote in message
news:1180796979.592160.129270@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> One of the most common questions I've seen asked here is if it's
> possible to hide the Windows Vista partition from Windows XP
> installations because of the bug where Windows XP will delete the
> system restore points for all Vista installs on that machine if it
> sees the drive [1]. One solution is to use Bitlocker drive encryption
> which rarely works and another is to use 3rd party paid products like
> PQBoot or Acronis OS Selector - none of which are very compatible nor
> free; and tend to create more problems than they solve.
>
> Here is another solution which uses the 100% free EasyBCD and the
> NeoGrub component - unlike other options, these were built for,
> around, and on Windows Vista, so compatibility is a non-issue.
>
> You can use NeoGrub to boot into multiple Windows XP installations and
> hide all Vista installs in the progress as well; circumventing the
> system restore bug entirely.
>
> These are the detailed step-by-step instructions:
> http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/hide-vista-partition-from-xp/ >
> EasyBCD can be downloaded for free from http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 > NeoGrub Documentation (WIP): http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/NeoGrub >
> Hope this helps!
>
> [1]: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185 >
> -Computer Guru
> http://neosmart.net/ >
(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Hide Vista partition(s) from Windows XP - Fix for System Restore [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Tiberius wrote:
> its good to see some people pop in here who know what they are doing.
>
> Usually this newsgroup is plagued by computer illiterate vistaboys that
> claim to know stuff.
You're referring to yourself of course. Good to hear you admit your
ignorance of computers and in particular vista.
Thanks for finally coming clean.
Frank
(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:30 pm
Post subject: Re: Hide Vista partition(s) from Windows XP - Fix for System Restore Point Corruption! [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
You can't manually do this babaloo. Much has been written about this on this
group from MSFT and from some good users and they have done it well. The
reason MSFT didn't change this is that it wasn't very feasible for them to
back port to get it done, and they felt that not that many people would dual
boot relative to the number of users they had. I disagree because I find
dual booting very useful when I have cultivated files and settings on a
prior OS for 6 years and always want to have it available without copying
them.
If you want a good explanation for what is going on here, I refer you to Dan
Stevenson's article on Jill Zoeller's blog. Dan works directly with the
System Restore Team and others closely related to it.
"babaloo" <fac187.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> These are good suggestions.
> It might be even simpler if Microsoft just allowed you to specify where
> the system restore files are saved so they are not seen by XP. I presume
> one can manually do this, or write a simple batch file that will do it on
> closing.
> That one would have to resort to any of this tells you all you need to
> know about programming decisions at Microsoft. If security was really a
> concern in the creation of Vista this idiot bug could not have been
> overlooked.
> What self-serving weanies.
> Booting to the XP desktop from Vista is not a solution for the millions of
> us for whom Vista simply does not work adequately for performing real,
> everyday tasks as opposed to endless twiddling with a defective operating
> system.
>
>
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