Duplex printing bug head to toe - HP printer

Huh, not sure what you're driving at there Steve?
The Windows Vista driver has a setting of "Flip Pages Up" under the
Finishing section of the Printing Preferences. When this is set the duplex is
supposed to be lengthwise and when it isn't it's widthwise. The problem I'm
having is the printer will not print anything other than lenghtwise duplex.

Cheers

Nigel

"Steve Urbach" wrote:

>
> Weird!
> Both my duplex capable printers use the terms:
> My HP Deskjet:
> "Flip on long edge" and "Flip on short edge"
> The terms do not change when I change the print processor setting for
> the printer from: "Winprint" to "hpzpplhn"
>
> My other printer is a Brother MFC8820DN
>
> Both print Portrait mode Long edge flip properly.
> (sometimes refereed to as Long edge Binding)
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:08:08 -0800, Saving
> <Saving.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >I have an HP Officejet 6110 which is using the Vista built in driver (there
> >is no driver from HP). I have the duplex unit attached but Vista refuses to
> >allow me to print duplex in Portrait with the pages back to back. Instead it
> >insists on printing "Flip up pages" i.e. the pages are head to toe so you
> >read the first page and flip it lengthwise instead of widthwise. There is a
> >setting "Flip Pages Up" which is supposed to control this but it has no
> >effect. I have seen other people with different HP printers but the same
> >problem (google). Apparently it does work correctly in landscape but I
> >haven't tried that.
> >I do try not to print things out often but when I do I use duplex so this is
> >painful.
> >Are there any plans to fix the driver or any workarounds (no manual duplex
> >is not a workaround by the way!)
> >
> >Thanks in advance
> >
> >Saving
>

Yes HP is aware of this issue and working to get the fix on Windows Update.

Please reply with the HP MODEL of the printer if anyone else is experiencing
this problem. The reason this issue is getting traction is this community.
The HP driver developer here talked to me yesterday about this class of
driver.

--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Saving" <Saving.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:041261CF-2733-4FC1-A8B0-9524B40B32E2@microsoft.com...
> Huh, not sure what you're driving at there Steve?
> The Windows Vista driver has a setting of "Flip Pages Up" under the
> Finishing section of the Printing Preferences. When this is set the duplex
> is
> supposed to be lengthwise and when it isn't it's widthwise. The problem
> I'm
> having is the printer will not print anything other than lenghtwise
> duplex.
>
> Cheers
>
> Nigel
>
> "Steve Urbach" wrote:
>
>>
>> Weird!
>> Both my duplex capable printers use the terms:
>> My HP Deskjet:
>> "Flip on long edge" and "Flip on short edge"
>> The terms do not change when I change the print processor setting for
>> the printer from: "Winprint" to "hpzpplhn"
>>
>> My other printer is a Brother MFC8820DN
>>
>> Both print Portrait mode Long edge flip properly.
>> (sometimes refereed to as Long edge Binding)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:08:08 -0800, Saving
>> <Saving.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >I have an HP Officejet 6110 which is using the Vista built in driver
>> >(there
>> >is no driver from HP). I have the duplex unit attached but Vista refuses
>> >to
>> >allow me to print duplex in Portrait with the pages back to back.
>> >Instead it
>> >insists on printing "Flip up pages" i.e. the pages are head to toe so
>> >you
>> >read the first page and flip it lengthwise instead of widthwise. There
>> >is a
>> >setting "Flip Pages Up" which is supposed to control this but it has no
>> >effect. I have seen other people with different HP printers but the same
>> >problem (google). Apparently it does work correctly in landscape but I
>> >haven't tried that.
>> >I do try not to print things out often but when I do I use duplex so
>> >this is
>> >painful.
>> >Are there any plans to fix the driver or any workarounds (no manual
>> >duplex
>> >is not a workaround by the way!)
>> >
>> >Thanks in advance
>> >
>> >Saving
>>

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:42:08 -0800, Saving
<Saving.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Huh, not sure what you're driving at there Steve?
>The Windows Vista driver has a setting of "Flip Pages Up" under the
>Finishing section of the Printing Preferences. When this is set the duplex is
>supposed to be lengthwise and when it isn't it's widthwise. The problem I'm
>having is the printer will not print anything other than lenghtwise duplex.
Interesting :^)
I have no "finishing" settings.
Duplex offers 3 choices: None, Long, short.
This is consistent among my printers.
Maybe this is a international (non-USA) thing?

>Cheers
>
>Nigel
>
>"Steve Urbach" wrote:
>
>>
>> Weird!
>> Both my duplex capable printers use the terms:
>> My HP Deskjet:
>> "Flip on long edge" and "Flip on short edge"
>> The terms do not change when I change the print processor setting for
>> the printer from: "Winprint" to "hpzpplhn"
>>
>> My other printer is a Brother MFC8820DN
>>
>> Both print Portrait mode Long edge flip properly.
>> (sometimes refereed to as Long edge Binding)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:08:08 -0800, Saving
>> <Saving.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >I have an HP Officejet 6110 which is using the Vista built in driver (there
>> >is no driver from HP). I have the duplex unit attached but Vista refuses to
>> >allow me to print duplex in Portrait with the pages back to back. Instead it
>> >insists on printing "Flip up pages" i.e. the pages are head to toe so you
>> >read the first page and flip it lengthwise instead of widthwise. There is a
>> >setting "Flip Pages Up" which is supposed to control this but it has no
>> >effect. I have seen other people with different HP printers but the same
>> >problem (google). Apparently it does work correctly in landscape but I
>> >haven't tried that.
>> >I do try not to print things out often but when I do I use duplex so this is
>> >painful.
>> >Are there any plans to fix the driver or any workarounds (no manual duplex
>> >is not a workaround by the way!)
>> >
>> >Thanks in advance
>> >
>> >Saving
>>

There are a couple other threads back on 9-Feb-07 about this issue also
happening on OJ 7210 and OJ 7310's.

The duplexing prints flip-up no matter what preference you've selected in
the driver settings.

Thanks.


"Alan Morris [MSFT]" <alanmo DeleteThis @online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:uZUZ#fgUHHA.4832@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Yes HP is aware of this issue and working to get the fix on Windows
> Update.
>
> Please reply with the HP MODEL of the printer if anyone else is
> experiencing this problem. The reason this issue is getting traction is
> this community. The HP driver developer here talked to me yesterday about
> this class of driver.
>
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> "Saving" <Saving DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:041261CF-2733-4FC1-A8B0-9524B40B32E2@microsoft.com...
>> Huh, not sure what you're driving at there Steve?
>> The Windows Vista driver has a setting of "Flip Pages Up" under the
>> Finishing section of the Printing Preferences. When this is set the
>> duplex is
>> supposed to be lengthwise and when it isn't it's widthwise. The problem
>> I'm
>> having is the printer will not print anything other than lenghtwise
>> duplex.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>> "Steve Urbach" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Weird!
>>> Both my duplex capable printers use the terms:
>>> My HP Deskjet:
>>> "Flip on long edge" and "Flip on short edge"
>>> The terms do not change when I change the print processor setting for
>>> the printer from: "Winprint" to "hpzpplhn"
>>>
>>> My other printer is a Brother MFC8820DN
>>>
>>> Both print Portrait mode Long edge flip properly.
>>> (sometimes refereed to as Long edge Binding)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:08:08 -0800, Saving
>>> <Saving DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Hi,
>>> >I have an HP Officejet 6110 which is using the Vista built in driver
>>> >(there
>>> >is no driver from HP). I have the duplex unit attached but Vista
>>> >refuses to
>>> >allow me to print duplex in Portrait with the pages back to back.
>>> >Instead it
>>> >insists on printing "Flip up pages" i.e. the pages are head to toe so
>>> >you
>>> >read the first page and flip it lengthwise instead of widthwise. There
>>> >is a
>>> >setting "Flip Pages Up" which is supposed to control this but it has no
>>> >effect. I have seen other people with different HP printers but the
>>> >same
>>> >problem (google). Apparently it does work correctly in landscape but I
>>> >haven't tried that.
>>> >I do try not to print things out often but when I do I use duplex so
>>> >this is
>>> >painful.
>>> >Are there any plans to fix the driver or any workarounds (no manual
>>> >duplex
>>> >is not a workaround by the way!)
>>> >
>>> >Thanks in advance
>>> >
>>> >Saving
>>>
>
>

I have the same problem with my HP 7310 both on my 64bit pc and 32bit pc. We
really need this sorted, PLEASE!

Alistair


"Alan Morris [MSFT]" <alanmo RemoveThis @online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:uZUZ%23fgUHHA.4832@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Yes HP is aware of this issue and working to get the fix on Windows
> Update.
>
> Please reply with the HP MODEL of the printer if anyone else is
> experiencing this problem. The reason this issue is getting traction is
> this community. The HP driver developer here talked to me yesterday about
> this class of driver.
>
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> "Saving" <Saving RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:041261CF-2733-4FC1-A8B0-9524B40B32E2@microsoft.com...
>> Huh, not sure what you're driving at there Steve?
>> The Windows Vista driver has a setting of "Flip Pages Up" under the
>> Finishing section of the Printing Preferences. When this is set the
>> duplex is
>> supposed to be lengthwise and when it isn't it's widthwise. The problem
>> I'm
>> having is the printer will not print anything other than lenghtwise
>> duplex.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>> "Steve Urbach" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Weird!
>>> Both my duplex capable printers use the terms:
>>> My HP Deskjet:
>>> "Flip on long edge" and "Flip on short edge"
>>> The terms do not change when I change the print processor setting for
>>> the printer from: "Winprint" to "hpzpplhn"
>>>
>>> My other printer is a Brother MFC8820DN
>>>
>>> Both print Portrait mode Long edge flip properly.
>>> (sometimes refereed to as Long edge Binding)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:08:08 -0800, Saving
>>> <Saving RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Hi,
>>> >I have an HP Officejet 6110 which is using the Vista built in driver
>>> >(there
>>> >is no driver from HP). I have the duplex unit attached but Vista
>>> >refuses to
>>> >allow me to print duplex in Portrait with the pages back to back.
>>> >Instead it
>>> >insists on printing "Flip up pages" i.e. the pages are head to toe so
>>> >you
>>> >read the first page and flip it lengthwise instead of widthwise. There
>>> >is a
>>> >setting "Flip Pages Up" which is supposed to control this but it has no
>>> >effect. I have seen other people with different HP printers but the
>>> >same
>>> >problem (google). Apparently it does work correctly in landscape but I
>>> >haven't tried that.
>>> >I do try not to print things out often but when I do I use duplex so
>>> >this is
>>> >painful.
>>> >Are there any plans to fix the driver or any workarounds (no manual
>>> >duplex
>>> >is not a workaround by the way!)
>>> >
>>> >Thanks in advance
>>> >
>>> >Saving
>>>
>
>

I'll report that I have an OfficeJet D135 with the duplex module installed,
and cannot set automatic duplex printing at all.

If I try to OK or Apply after selecting the "Print on both sides" option, I
get an error indicating that I have conflicting settings, those settings
being:

"Print on both sides : Flip on Long Edge (Standard)"
and
"Media Type : Plain Paper"

It makes no matter what I set as the media type, it won't allow duplex.

What's really cute is that since I'm using a JetDirect - purchased with the
printer - I can't scan with it in Vista either, and of course HP's website
advises me that I may want to upgrade to a new product. Lucky me, my
expensive SOHO printer was a lesson learned!


"Alan Morris [MSFT]" <alanmo DeleteThis @online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:uZUZ%23fgUHHA.4832@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Yes HP is aware of this issue and working to get the fix on Windows
> Update.
>
> Please reply with the HP MODEL of the printer if anyone else is
> experiencing this problem. The reason this issue is getting traction is
> this community. The HP driver developer here talked to me yesterday about
> this class of driver.
>
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> "Saving" <Saving DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:041261CF-2733-4FC1-A8B0-9524B40B32E2@microsoft.com...
>> Huh, not sure what you're driving at there Steve?
>> The Windows Vista driver has a setting of "Flip Pages Up" under the
>> Finishing section of the Printing Preferences. When this is set the
>> duplex is
>> supposed to be lengthwise and when it isn't it's widthwise. The problem
>> I'm
>> having is the printer will not print anything other than lenghtwise
>> duplex.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>> "Steve Urbach" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Weird!
>>> Both my duplex capable printers use the terms:
>>> My HP Deskjet:
>>> "Flip on long edge" and "Flip on short edge"
>>> The terms do not change when I change the print processor setting for
>>> the printer from: "Winprint" to "hpzpplhn"
>>>
>>> My other printer is a Brother MFC8820DN
>>>
>>> Both print Portrait mode Long edge flip properly.
>>> (sometimes refereed to as Long edge Binding)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:08:08 -0800, Saving
>>> <Saving DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Hi,
>>> >I have an HP Officejet 6110 which is using the Vista built in driver
>>> >(there
>>> >is no driver from HP). I have the duplex unit attached but Vista
>>> >refuses to
>>> >allow me to print duplex in Portrait with the pages back to back.
>>> >Instead it
>>> >insists on printing "Flip up pages" i.e. the pages are head to toe so
>>> >you
>>> >read the first page and flip it lengthwise instead of widthwise. There
>>> >is a
>>> >setting "Flip Pages Up" which is supposed to control this but it has no
>>> >effect. I have seen other people with different HP printers but the
>>> >same
>>> >problem (google). Apparently it does work correctly in landscape but I
>>> >haven't tried that.
>>> >I do try not to print things out often but when I do I use duplex so
>>> >this is
>>> >painful.
>>> >Are there any plans to fix the driver or any workarounds (no manual
>>> >duplex
>>> >is not a workaround by the way!)
>>> >
>>> >Thanks in advance
>>> >
>>> >Saving
>>>
>
>