(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:16 pm
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"kurt wismer" <kurtw.DeleteThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Yrael wrote:
> [snip]
>> Now, if you are going to boot your PC from a floppy disk or CD-ROM, then
>> you may be able to get F-Prot for DOS to work properly. There are lots
>> of options if you boot from a floppy disk or CD-ROM. You can choose DOS,
>> DOS with long filemame support, NTFSDOS Pro with long filename support
>> etc etc.
>>
>> But if you do this, then you are not running F-Prot for DOS under a
>> Windows XP "platform". You are running it under whichever "platform" you
>> chose to boot your PC with.
>>
>> Simple isn't it?
>
> in order to not run afoul of zvi's point on what constitutes an xp
> platform, you might want to revise this to state that you're not running
> in a windows xp *environment*...
>
> the _platform_ is kind of a red herring...
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Fair comment Kurt. I am not absolutely sure of the exact semantic
difference between a "platform" and an "environment" myself, or even if
there is one!
But I think the "original" query has been answered.
(Msg. 26) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:13 pm
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"James Egan" <jegan.DeleteThis@jegan.com> wrote in message
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| On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 05:40:23 -0700, Jafo <a.DeleteThis@nospam.invalid> wrote:
|
| >>Im sorry to disagree with you, but this is not true. I have
| >>used FPROT for DOS on many XP machines and never had a problem.
| >>You may have a problem on your machine.
| >
| >Depends on whether the disk is FAT32 or NTFS.
|
| That's not it, either.
|
| F-Prot DOS won't work properly in a xp dos window irrespective of
| filesystem.
|
|
| Jim.
|
The discussion has turned into a comparison similar to the 4 blind men
describing an elephant from 4 different locations - the trunk, the tail,
a leg and the belly!
Without an understanding of the situation, I have "run" F-Prot for DOS
in DOS Windows on NT4, Win2k and XP with both FAT32 and NTFS file
systems. I've also run it from a DOS boot floppy disk on the afore
mentioned OSs.
Whether F-Prot worked as intended is another issue. From all I've read
including Frisk Software, F-Prot for DOS didn't do a complete scan of
all the files is was configured to check on these systems even though it
completed the scans.
F-Prot for DOS is not completely compatible with the NTFS and XP file
systems - that's where the problem exists. It probably checks the boot
sectors and memory OK, after that????
(Msg. 27) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:17 pm
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"Zvi Netiv" <support.DeleteThis@replace_with_domain.com> wrote in message
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> "Roger Wilco" <yesman.DeleteThis@yourservice.invalid> wrote:
> > "Zvi Netiv" <support.DeleteThis@replace_with_domain.com> wrote in message
> > > "Roger Wilco" <yesman.DeleteThis@yourservice.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sources I trust have mentioned here many times that F-Prot for
DOS does
> > > > not work properly on XP irrespective of which file system one
chooses
> > > > when installing XP. The OP should use F-Prot for Windows instead
as
> > > > mentioned by another poster.
> > >
> > > NTFS4DOS is a DOS driver, used to mount NTFS volumes *under DOS*.
The governing
> > > factor whether F-Prot will run properly on the platform is the OS,
*not* the
> > > target drive file system. As Frisk explained here, years ago, the
problem is
> > > with the DOS extender used.
> >
> > So, the answer to "Will F-Prot run on an XP platform ??" is still
no if
> > F-Prot for DOS and XP's DOS emulation are indicated? Using NTFS4DOS
> > indicates the user is not using XP's DOS emulator and so the "XP
> > platform" part of the question is not relevant to the answer "If you
use
> > NTFS4DOS it wil". It's like answering "Linux" to the question "What
is
> > the best AV". )
>
> Idiotic sophistry.
>
> It depends on what you understand as an "XP platform". A PC with only
XP
> installed will be considered by most users as an XP platform, even
when switched
> off. Hence, not the running OS is what makes it a "platform", the
installed
> system does.
When my computer is turned off, it is only a platform for my monitor.
Okay, so F-Prot for DOS works fine on an XP platform as long as you are
not running XP.
(Msg. 28) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:39 pm
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Yrael a écrit :
> Fair comment Kurt. I am not absolutely sure of the exact semantic
> difference between a "platform" and an "environment" myself, or even if
> there is one!
Perhaps one could argue that the environment consists of the
hard-/software that is currently active while the platform includes
everything that is... well... "there", no matter whether it's being used
or not. The platform is perhaps more fundamental.
I doubt if there is a general agreement on what distinguishes a platform
from an environment if there is a difference at all.
(Msg. 29) Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:40 am
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of course, if you identify a file in XP and tell FP dos to scan it and
it reports that it did scan it .. then it DID run.
The answer is that it doesnt scan the entire system without hand
holding and brainless button pushing.
However it does a dandy job of scanning your garden variety "is this a
problem" file
Oh and it also does a dandy job of scanning floppy disks that are IN
an XP system.
So in other words, it runs fine under XP. Just use it to scan files
and folders YOU pick, and it does what you ask.
Simple, isnt it ?
Jafo <a RemoveThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:
>As viewed from alt.comp.anti-virus, Ghostown wrote:
>
>>"badgolferman" wrote...
>>>Richard Oliver wrote:
>>>>Will F-Prot run on an XP platform ??
>
>>>F-Prot for Windows will, F-Prot for DOS won't. At first it
>>>looks like it is, but it shuts down shortly into the scan.
>>
>>Im sorry to disagree with you, but this is not true. I have
>>used FPROT for DOS on many XP machines and never had a problem.
>>You may have a problem on your machine.
>
>Depends on whether the disk is FAT32 or NTFS.
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:37 am
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As viewed from alt.comp.anti-virus, * * Chas wrote:
>I have "run" F-Prot for DOS in DOS Windows on NT4, Win2k and XP
>with both FAT32 and NTFS file systems. I've also run it from a
>DOS boot floppy disk on the afore mentioned OSs.
Really? Boot from that DOS diskette with a C drive that's NTFS.
Type dir c:
What do you get?
(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:54 am
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[...]
> Without an understanding of the situation, I have "run" F-Prot for DOS
> in DOS Windows on NT4, Win2k and XP with both FAT32 and NTFS file
> systems. I've also run it from a DOS boot floppy disk on the afore
> mentioned OSs.
Irrelevant.
> Whether F-Prot worked as intended is another issue. From all I've read
> including Frisk Software, F-Prot for DOS didn't do a complete scan of
> all the files is was configured to check on these systems even though it
> completed the scans.
>
> F-Prot for DOS is not completely compatible with the NTFS and XP file
> systems -
That's not what Frisk say. FP for DOS is not compatible with XP. Period.
Besides, XP is not a "file system", it's an operating system, and the mention of
NTFS in this context is irrelevant.
> that's where the problem exists. It probably checks the boot
> sectors and memory OK, after that????
F-Prot for DOS doesn't check the boot sectors / MBR when run from the DOS shell
under XP (or under any NT derived OS) as direct disk access is not allowed by
the operating system.
Regards, Zvi
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:14 pm
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"Jafo" <a DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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| As viewed from alt.comp.anti-virus, * * Chas wrote:
|
| >I have "run" F-Prot for DOS in DOS Windows on NT4, Win2k and XP
| >with both FAT32 and NTFS file systems. I've also run it from a
| >DOS boot floppy disk on the afore mentioned OSs.
|
| Really? Boot from that DOS diskette with a C drive that's NTFS.
| Type dir c:
| What do you get?
|
| --
| Jafo
A:\ C: Invalid Drive Specification Yep, been there.
I stopped using F-Prot boot disks when the definitions got too big to
fit on floppies and I can't find my old set. The only NT4 and Win2k
systems I currently have are multiboot PCs using FAT32 so I can't check
out what I did in the past. Maybe I was mistaken about booting to NTFS.
I just tried booting with a number of different DOS boot disks on one of
my WinXP NTFS laptops. No go.
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