(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:44 pm
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"Offbreed" <offbreed_106 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MY-dnYYRcP5YzKLanZ2dnUVZ_rGrnZ2d@scnresearch.com...
> ~Vi wrote:
>> (I'm the one that was stupid, not the emails) that have ten or fifteen
>> attachments before I got to the original email and in so doing each one
>> had what seemed like fifty names on them.
>
> A friend of mine is still pissed because I got after him for having me on
> a mass mail list for stuff we were both interested in.
>
> That was about 10 years ago. No spam or virus e-mail before he pulled
> that, and 5yrs of spam and virus e-mails after.
>
> There's going to be times when attachments are necessary, but the danger
> is just to great to go opening random attachments.
Amen <g> I learned my lesson. Hopefully I won't have a problem like that
again for a long while. (but who knows)
(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:02 am
Post subject: Re: Norton Add to elertz [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:10:34 -0500, ~Vi wrote:
> I am so ticked off I can't believe I am able to type. I spent six hours
> yesterday reformatting and updating and registering etc., my Windows XP
> home edition after being hit with a virus.... What is the point of having an
> anti virus program if you wind up having to set up your PC from scratch
> because it is so corrupted? I know that I bear some responsibility but I
> keep my pc updated on a daily basis, and I still wind up in trouble. I
> admit to being a "newbie" to some extent but what is up with these so called
> antivirus programs. I have Norton and have wound up with the same thing
> happening in the past with McAfee? TIA for any help on this frustrating
> thing in the future.... Just don't open ANY email????
>
A number of experts agree that the retail AV version of McAfee, Norton and
Trend Micro has become cumbersome and bloated for the average user.
The retail version of Norton can play havoc with your pc. Uninstall it
using Norton's own uninstall tool
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039
and get a refund
As suggested on the site, you may wish to print out the directions before
proceeding.
Or
http://www.majorgeeks.com/Norton_Removal_Tool_SymNRT_d4749.html
While Norton's removal tool usually gets the job done, you may also want to
go to:
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/winsockxpfix.html
and download a copy of winsockxpfix just in case. Rarely, the removal of
NIS breakes the networking components in XP to the point where internet
access is impossible. This little utility will fix it back up.
If the Norton removal tool doesn't work satisfactory use this:
Revo Uninstaller Freeware - Remove unwanted programs and traces easily
http://www.revouninstaller.com/
and/or
RegSeeker
http://www.hoverdesk.net/freeware.htm
RegSeeker will remove all associated detritus (registry keys,files and
folders) from any application. I found this application user friendly and
very effective but suggest *not* to use the 'Clean the Registry' option.
Click onto 'Find in registry' and in the 'Search for' box type *Norton*;
The pertinent registry keys can then be safely deleted (just in case,
ensure that the 'Backup before deletion' is checked). Repeat the task by
typing in the Search for' box *Symantec*. You can then go on search and
remove associated files as well.
Then use NTREGOPT to compact the registry; Follow instructions.
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt
Real-time AV applications - for viral malware.
Do not utilize more than one (1) real-time anti-virus scanning engine!
Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom
Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection.
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
In fact, most of experts (incl. Norton) believe that scanning incoming and
outgoing mail causes e-mail file corruption.
Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html
(Choose Custom Installation and under Resident
Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.)
A-S applications - for non-viral malware.
The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and
oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that
cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple
products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what
another may miss, (grab'em all).
After the software is updated, it is suggested scanning the system in Safe
Mode.
A clarification on the terminology: the word "malware" is short for
"malicious software." Most Anti-Virus applications detect many types of
malware such as viruses, worms, trojans, etc.
What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware, and the
term "non-viral malware" is normally used to refer to things like spyware
and adware.
(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:40 pm
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~Vi wrote:
> I am so ticked off I can't believe I am able to type. I spent six hours
> yesterday reformatting and updating and registering etc., my Windows XP
> home edition after being hit with a virus.... What is the point of having an
> anti virus program if you wind up having to set up your PC from scratch
> because it is so corrupted?
the point is that you'd probably get into a bad state more often without
an anti-virus installed...
> I know that I bear some responsibility but I
> keep my pc updated on a daily basis, and I still wind up in trouble. I
> admit to being a "newbie" to some extent but what is up with these so called
> antivirus programs. I have Norton and have wound up with the same thing
> happening in the past with McAfee? TIA for any help on this frustrating
> thing in the future....
all preventative measures fail some of the time...
if you're just using a scanner then you might want to try adding some
kind of application whitelist, host intrusion prevention system (hips),
or maybe even some sort of application sandbox to the mix to help cover
those areas where scanning alone is weak (generally new/unknown malware)...
even then, though, there's still the possibility that malware will get
through so you might want to learn how to use imaging software to save
an image of your drive when it's clean and then restore the image when
something bad happens so as to be able to recover without so much work
and headache...
> Just don't open ANY email????
i run my email program in an application sandbox (sandboxie) and make
use of the application whitelisting functionality of sunbelt personal
firewall to help stop possible unknown malware and help limit it's
effects when it doesn't get stopped...
--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"
(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:46 pm
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:01 pm
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> I am so ticked off I can't believe I am able to type. I spent six hours
> yesterday reformatting and updating and registering etc., my Windows XP
> home edition after being hit with a virus.... What is the point of having
> an anti virus program if you wind up having to set up your PC from scratch
> because it is so corrupted? I know that I bear some responsibility but I
> keep my pc updated on a daily basis, and I still wind up in trouble. I
> admit to being a "newbie" to some extent but what is up with these so
> called antivirus programs. I have Norton and have wound up with the same
> thing happening in the past with McAfee? TIA for any help on this
> frustrating thing in the future.... Just don't open ANY email????
>
> .... Violet
I understand your frustration. I clean malware from computers for a living
so I know what it takes and sometimes formatting is the only option. Which
Norton security program were you using? Keep in mind that new versions of
Norton Internet Security and Norton Antivirus are released every year. When
a Norton program is coming to the end of the subscription it will bug you to
buy a new subscription, but you should always buy the new version of the
program instead if it's available - the technology is always improving.
This is true for other brands of security software as well so always look
for the latest version regardless of which brand you choose.
Along with a software firewall, antivirus and antispyware I recommend that
you try Threatfire (www.threatfire.com). It is a free application that
blocks malware based on behavior analysis and can stop threats that don't
your AV and AS can't recognize yet (zero day exploits).
It's also a good idea to put your computer behind a router or hardware
firewall for added security (either can be had for less money then a
software security suite).
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