(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:08 am
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Gaz, 8/27/2008,9:28:28 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> "Little Charlie" <charlie1950 DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:G1ntk.17948$De7.3546@bignews7.bellsouth.net... >"Gaz"
>> <gazter DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:6hmcnpFn3lugU1@mid.individual.net...
>> > >
>> >>"Eugene F." <pm771.am DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:4ae2437b-538c-42e1-a280-507a39c69151@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.
>> > > com...
>> > > > Is Norton Anti-Virus ver. 2008 more bloated or otherwise
>> > > > undesirable than its 2006 counter-part?
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm just asking about the comparison between the two different
>> > > > versions of NAV, replacing NAV with a different product is out
>> > > > of scope for this question.
>> > > >
>> > > > TIA, Eugene
>> > >
>> > > A couple of rules for NAV.
>> > >
>> > > i) NAV is slow and cumbersome
>> > > ii) the newer the version of NAV the slower and more cumbersome
>> > > the software.
>> > >
>> > > Gaz
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > Many will jump at the chance to bad mouth Norton. They are ignorant
>> > of any facts and simply parrot back to you what some other
>> > >mindless parrot told them.
>>
>> Two machines i provided support today both had problems directly
>> attributable to Norton, one NIS360 and one NAV. I bad mouth norton
>> because their software in general is utterly dreadfull, sucks up
>> resources, and to be honest, isnt very good.
>>
>> Gaz
>
> This may be true of the consumer products but I find the Symantec
> Anti-Virus corporate versions to work very nicely.
Yes. Their server av and general corporate versions are fine. We arent
talking about the stuff they sell to people who about IT, but the stuff they
sell to people who dont know about IT.
(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:08 am
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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
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> From: "Gaz" <gazter DeleteThis @msn.com>
>
>
> | Two machines i provided support today both had problems directly
> | attributable to Norton, one NIS360 and one NAV. I bad mouth norton
> because
> | their software in general is utterly dreadfull, sucks up resources, and
> to
> | be honest, isnt very good.
>
> | Gaz
>
> Good reading...
>
> "Symantec is scrambling to get the bloat out of Norton software-and stop
> the slide in
> market share
>
> In 2006, Rowan Trollope, a top executive at Symantec (SYMC), declared war
> on his own
> engineers. The company's Norton computer-security software was getting so
> overloaded with
> features that his best friends told him they turn off the software rather
> than deal with
> the problems it causes. "I realized then we were pigs, taking up way too
> many PC
> resources," says Trollope, senior vice-president for consumer products."
> http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_33/b4096060672925.htm?...paign_i >
Which is obviously why their top of the line 2008 norton 360 is the most
shambolic piece of security software to ever grace a windows pc.
(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:47 am
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> As you see there's not a lot of love for NAV here.
Yes, I was aware of this fact when posting.
> To actually answer your
> question I'd say that the 2008 version of NAV is much better then 2006, but
> if you're considering getting NAV (or NIS) I would strongly recommend
> waiting for the 2009 products which are currently being beta tested. They
> will be better then the 2008 versions in many ways, such as smaller, more
> frequent updates, faster scans, and better uninstall routines.
I have NAV 2006 on the home computer in question. I will need to
renew the subscription pretty soon and I fully intend to do it. I
have two options: just renew the signature updates and stay with 2006
or upgrade to 2008. In 2007 I opted for signature updates only. This
time I'm not sure.
> If you're
> curious checkout the ongoing thread atwww.wilderssecurity.com(in other
> antivirus software).
I will. Thank you.
============================================================
On Aug 27, 10:43 pm, "Victek" <Vic....TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > Is Norton Anti-Virus ver. 2008 more bloated or otherwise undesirable
> > than its 2006 counter-part?
>
> > I'm just asking about the comparison between the two different
> > versions of NAV, replacing NAV with a different product is out of
> > scope for this question.
>
> > TIA, Eugene
>
> As you see there's not a lot of love for NAV here. To actually answer your
> question I'd say that the 2008 version of NAV is much better then 2006, but
> if you're considering getting NAV (or NIS) I would strongly recommend
> waiting for the 2009 products which are currently being beta tested. They
> will be better then the 2008 versions in many ways, such as smaller, more
> frequent updates, faster scans, and better uninstall routines. If you're
> curious checkout the ongoing thread atwww.wilderssecurity.com(in other
> antivirus software).
(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:01 pm
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"Little Charlie" <charlie1950.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in
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> "Gaz" <gazter.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:6hmcnpFn3lugU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Eugene F." <pm771.am.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4ae2437b-538c-42e1-a280-507a39c69151@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com.
>> ..
>>> Is Norton Anti-Virus ver. 2008 more bloated or otherwise undesirable
>>> than its 2006 counter-part?
>>>
>>> I'm just asking about the comparison between the two different
>>> versions of NAV, replacing NAV with a different product is out of
>>> scope for this question.
>>>
>>> TIA, Eugene
>>
>> A couple of rules for NAV.
>>
>> i) NAV is slow and cumbersome
>> ii) the newer the version of NAV the slower and more cumbersome the
>> software.
>>
>> Gaz
>>
>>
>
> Many will jump at the chance to bad mouth Norton. They are ignorant of
> any facts and simply parrot back to you what some other mindless
> parrot told them. I prefer Avast..but to answer your question
> directly I would ask Norton on the phone or in email. There may well
> be some details there that will shed light on your query. To conclude
> i have used every version of Norton AV ever produced. I never had
> trouble with Norton as an application or did my PC ever get infected.
> I simply now prefer a free AV product like Avast. Good luck on your
> quest Eugene.
>
I agree with Gaz, based on personal observations and 10 years
professionally employed as a PC technician, Norton is bloated, gets
bloated more with each release, and has long since fallen from the high
pedistal it once was on.
(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:45 pm
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Little Charlie wrote:
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B0B7B1ED5558HHI2948AJD832@69.16.185.247...
>> "Little Charlie" <charlie1950.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>> news:G1ntk.17948$De7.3546@bignews7.bellsouth.net:
>>
>>> "Gaz" <gazter.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6hmcnpFn3lugU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Eugene F." <pm771.am.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ae2437b-538c-42e1-a280-507a39c69151@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com.
>>>> ..
>>>>> Is Norton Anti-Virus ver. 2008 more bloated or otherwise
>>>>> undesirable than its 2006 counter-part?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just asking about the comparison between the two different
>>>>> versions of NAV, replacing NAV with a different product is out of
>>>>> scope for this question.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA, Eugene
>>>>
>>>> A couple of rules for NAV.
>>>>
>>>> i) NAV is slow and cumbersome
>>>> ii) the newer the version of NAV the slower and more cumbersome the
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>> Gaz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Many will jump at the chance to bad mouth Norton. They are ignorant
>>> of any facts and simply parrot back to you what some other mindless
>>> parrot told them. I prefer Avast..but to answer your question
>>> directly I would ask Norton on the phone or in email. There may well
>>> be some details there that will shed light on your query. To
>>> conclude i have used every version of Norton AV ever produced. I
>>> never had trouble with Norton as an application or did my PC ever
>>> get infected. I simply now prefer a free AV product like Avast.
>>> Good luck on your quest Eugene.
>>>
>>
>> https://forums.symantec.com/syment/board/message?board.id=endpoint_protec >> tion11&message.id=15665&jump=true#M15665
>>
>>
>> I agree with Gaz, based on personal observations and 10 years
>> professionally employed as a PC technician, Norton is bloated, gets
>> bloated more with each release, and has long since fallen from the
>> high pedistal it once was on.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Dustin Cook, Author of BugHunter
>> BugHunter - http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk >> MalwareBytes - http://www.malwarebytes.org >>
>>
>
> "Personal observations" do not measured performance data or
> scientific testing under controlled environment make. Polly want a
> cracker?
I make my own decisions based on personal experieinces, i use external
information to assist in the process. I have come across enough computers
installed with norton to know that it makes a considerable impact on
performance.
(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:51 pm
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"Little Charlie" <charlie1950 RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in
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> "Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B0B7B1ED5558HHI2948AJD832@69.16.185.247...
>> "Little Charlie" <charlie1950 RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in
>> news:G1ntk.17948$De7.3546@bignews7.bellsouth.net:
>>
>>> "Gaz" <gazter RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6hmcnpFn3lugU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Eugene F." <pm771.am RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ae2437b-538c-42e1-a280-507a39c69151@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.co
>>>> m. ..
>>>>> Is Norton Anti-Virus ver. 2008 more bloated or otherwise
>>>>> undesirable than its 2006 counter-part?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just asking about the comparison between the two different
>>>>> versions of NAV, replacing NAV with a different product is out of
>>>>> scope for this question.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA, Eugene
>>>>
>>>> A couple of rules for NAV.
>>>>
>>>> i) NAV is slow and cumbersome
>>>> ii) the newer the version of NAV the slower and more cumbersome the
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>> Gaz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Many will jump at the chance to bad mouth Norton. They are ignorant
>>> of any facts and simply parrot back to you what some other mindless
>>> parrot told them. I prefer Avast..but to answer your question
>>> directly I would ask Norton on the phone or in email. There may well
>>> be some details there that will shed light on your query. To
>>> conclude i have used every version of Norton AV ever produced. I
>>> never had trouble with Norton as an application or did my PC ever
>>> get infected. I simply now prefer a free AV product like Avast. Good
>>> luck on your quest Eugene.
>>>
>>
>> https://forums.symantec.com/syment/board/message?board.id=endpoint_pro >> tec tion11&message.id=15665&jump=true#M15665
>>
>>
>> I agree with Gaz, based on personal observations and 10 years
>> professionally employed as a PC technician, Norton is bloated, gets
>> bloated more with each release, and has long since fallen from the
>> high pedistal it once was on.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Dustin Cook, Author of BugHunter
>> BugHunter - http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk >> MalwareBytes - http://www.malwarebytes.org >>
>>
>
> "Personal observations" do not measured performance data or scientific
> testing under controlled environment make. Polly want a cracker?
Ahh, the joys of usenet and ignorant persons. Without people like you, I
wouldn't have a job. It's ironic in it's own right. Carry on then, sir.
(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:53 pm
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"Little Charlie" <charlie1950 DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in news:eUBuk.21267
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:40 am
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> "Symantec is scrambling to get the bloat out of Norton software-and stop
> the slide in
> market share
>
> In 2006, Rowan Trollope, a top executive at Symantec (SYMC), declared war
> on his own
> engineers. The company's Norton computer-security software was getting so
> overloaded with
> features that his best friends told him they turn off the software rather
> than deal with
> the problems it causes. "I realized then we were pigs, taking up way too
> many PC
> resources," says Trollope, senior vice-president for consumer products."
> http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_33/b4096060672925.htm?...paign_i >
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html > Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp >
>
You may be interested to know that the public beta test of NIS2009/NAV2009
is finished and the products are supposed to go "gold" very soon (this
according to someone at wilderssecurity.com who was a beta tester). I'm
looking forward to reviews to see if the efforts to improve speed and
efficiency were successful.
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