(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Bad checksum on download of updates to spybot [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>comp>anti-virus (more info?)
Art <null.DeleteThis@zilch.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:38:11 GMT, "Shane" <shanebeatson.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Personally I'm getting fed
> >up with Spybot updating and immunizing issues in recent months.
> Why are you interested in Spybot's immunize, may I ask? I see no
> point in it for alternate browser users who have the alternate
> browser set as the system default.
Except for Opera (an excellent default browser imho), at least according to
Sypbot 1.4's immunization menu. Nex
(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Bad checksum on download of updates to spybot [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Art wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:38:11 GMT, "Shane" <shanebeatson.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Personally I'm getting fed
>> up with Spybot updating and immunizing issues in recent months.
>
> Why are you interested in Spybot's immunize, may I ask? I see no
> point in it for alternate browser users who have the alternate
> browser set as the system default.
>
I use IE quite a lot, Art. At least as much bugs me about Firefox as IE and
as ComPCs says, I too use plenty enough sites that work best in IE.
I do a lot of my surfing laid back, using a wireless mouse and don't like
that Firefox's built in Google requires hitting the Enter key of a keyboard.
Also I mostly use XP SP2 - which has IE 6.0 SP2 (with popup blocker and
other enhancements. When I'm not testing IE 7.0, that is, which also has
tabbed browsing and anti-phishing and other stuff I haven't investigated
yet).
I don't use Spybot's bad download blocker or Tea Timer (I don't even know
what *that* one is!), just Immunize, which as far as I know just puts
certain sites in Restricted Zone.
I think there's no great need to set Firefox as default browser with all the
other security enhancements in place. Experience hasn't shown a need to do
so and whenever I've set Firefox as default I've rapidly got annoyed with
it. I do use it a lot, but prefer IE as default. With Spybot,
Spywareblaster, IE-Spyad, Restricted Zone maxed out, Install On Demand
(both) disabled, a custom Cookie Handling .xml file, drag and drop disabled,
and all the MS patches, I don't have many qualms about using IE.
(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Bad checksum on download of updates to spybot [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
> I tried it and wound up locked out of IE security settings. Couldn't
> get riid of the lockout via the means suggested in Help. Wound up
> uninstalling Spybot and using ERUNT to restore registry, then
> reinstalling Spybot. This was on Win 2K Pro. Looks to like Spybot
> is buggy in this regard.
>
(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:16 pm
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> I use IE quite a lot, Art. At least as much bugs me about Firefox as
> IE and as ComPCs says, I too use plenty enough sites that work best
> in IE.
(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:04 am
Post subject: Re: Bad checksum on download of updates to spybot [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
>> I think there's no great need to set Firefox as default browser with
>> all the other security enhancements in place. Experience hasn't
>> shown a need to do so and whenever I've set Firefox as default I've
>> rapidly got annoyed with it. I do use it a lot, but prefer IE as
>> default. With Spybot, Spywareblaster, IE-Spyad, Restricted Zone
>> maxed out, Install On Demand (both) disabled, a custom Cookie
>> Handling .xml file, drag and drop disabled, and all the MS patches,
>> I don't have many qualms about using IE.
>
> Since I shun IE as much as possible, I have no need for additional
> security enhancements for it. I just use it if I'm pretty sure the web
> site is ok.
Fair enough, but besides a little time checking for updates - which, of
course someone will always notify the groups - it isn't much effort, so why
not do it anyway?
>
> The reason I insist on Moz being the default browser is clickable
> links. I often follow links on newsgroups to alleged dangerous sites.
> And that might mean one of the unpatched IE vulnerabilities.
In that case I open FF and copy the link into it.
> I just
> see no point in using IE, especially since CERT has advised strongly
> to use a alternate browser.
>
Is this going on Microsoft's track record; the assumption of many more
as-yet-undiscovered vulnerabilities? While I don't think you do this, it
seems to me that the impression many give who cite this assumption is of
alternative browsers not also being vulnerable. Luckily people also notify
the groups of the latest FF patch (new build). But only FF of the
alternatives, of course.
My recommendation to users is usually to use Firefox as default, but I know
that many users will simply not get on with it and revert to IE, so I try to
get them to do what I have done. Which gets back to my personally hardening
'as much as I can get away with' other people's machines - add to the above
list installing Kerio 2.1.5 and setting the rules up and/or closing
unnecessary ports - that is what I do.
(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:33 pm
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>> My recommendation to users is usually to use Firefox as default, but
>> I know that many users will simply not get on with it and revert to
>> IE, so I try to get them to do what I have done. Which gets back to
>> my personally hardening 'as much as I can get away with' other
>> people's machines - add to the above list installing Kerio 2.1.5 and
>> setting the rules up and/or closing unnecessary ports - that is what
>> I do.
>
> ?? Hardening should be done regardless. I don't think you meant that
> to come across as a either/or proposition >
When you're right, you're right! Actually there are several statements I've
made recently that didn't come out as intended
Where I do mean either/or is closing vulnerabilities that impact on the
eye-candy, which users will notice and probably complain about. Like I've
said before, I've gotten to where I don't persist unless they're family.
Trouble with family is they tend to be approx. as pig-headed as oneself.
(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:05 am
Post subject: Re: Bad checksum on download of updates to spybot [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Art wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:33:11 GMT, "Shane" <shanebeatson.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> ?? Hardening should be done regardless. I don't think you meant that
>>> to come across as a either/or proposition >>>
>>
>> When you're right, you're right! Actually there are several
>> statements I've made recently that didn't come out as intended >>
>> Where I do mean either/or is closing vulnerabilities that impact on
>> the eye-candy, which users will notice and probably complain about.
>> Like I've said before, I've gotten to where I don't persist unless
>> they're family. Trouble with family is they tend to be approx. as
>> pig-headed as oneself.
>
> Fortunately, my wife Peg is a technophobe who listens to what I tell
> her to do and not to do (on the computer only, of course )
> She's had the Win ME PC all to herself for several months. I check it
> out every couple of weeks or so and never find malware or spyware.
> She gets tons of email from genealogy lists, and roams the web in
> pursuit of her hobbies and interests. So it seems average/typical
> users are fine as long as someone:
>
> 1. Hardens their PC and provides help with internet app selection
> and their settings.
> 2. Provides some "safe hex" guidelines, rules to follow, and a little
> bit of education.
>
> I think most should be able to even handle routine checks and
> maintenence with some help and instruction. Peg does do a
> daily minor regimen including data backup and a couple of things
> with Moz email to keep it running smoothly. (Emptying Trash
> and compacting folders daily seems to keep it from losing
> folders and otherwise misbehaving).
>
> In fact, without me fiddling around with her PC, it hums along
> fine. By far, the biggest danger to our machines is not
> malware/spyware, but my twiddling. Fortunately, on the eighth
> day, God created ERUNT
(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Bad checksum on download of updates to spybot [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Art wrote:
>
> Fortunately, my wife Peg is a technophobe who listens to what I tell
> her to do and not to do ...
>
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