(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:28 am
Post subject: Re: Anyone have a database for Manpower Planning? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>access>tablesdbdesign (more info?)
What do you still not understand about "volunteer newsgroup"? You know that
people will tell you to stop spamming these newgroups, and you know you will
have no credibility with the people to whom you make your offers, yet you
keep trolling for work here.
"Steve" <nonsense RemoveThis @nomsense.com> wrote in message
news:dOOdnUBcWv86bSjVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>I offered to help Debra if she needs to get her database up and running
>immediately. It's up to her to decide. It's none of your business!!!!
>
> Steve
>
>
> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense RemoveThis @nonsense.com> wrote in message
> news:eEd8d7JCJHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> These newsgroups are not your private job search source. Folks who post
>> here expect to get (and give) free help.
>>
>> Please stop trolling for jobs here.
>>
>> Jeff Boyce
>>
>> "Steve" <nonsense RemoveThis @nomsense.com> wrote in message
>> news:nqydnfzAC65sPijVnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> Hello Debra,
>>>
>>> I provide help with Access applications for a very modest fee.
>>> Frequently I work with customers developing the design of the table
>>> structure for a new database. My fee for this work is very reasonable.
>>> If you would like my help cpntact me at rlaird RemoveThis @penn.com.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "D Pierce" <DPierce RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:E5DB017E-4C18-4EC4-939D-CF785D04575A@microsoft.com...
>>>>I am looking for a database format that will let me input the key
>>>>position,
>>>> position holder, possible candidates, Development need, Officer
>>>> responsible,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> I need to be able to search by any of the various fields. Any help
>>>> would be
>>>> appreciated.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Debra
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Anyone have a database for Manpower Planning? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Tell Bruce what "spamming" means. he doesn't know!
Steve
"Jeff Boyce" <nonsense DeleteThis @nonsense.com> wrote in message
news:%2388cmLSCJHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I apologize, Steve.
>
> I just checked a formal definition of "spamming", which mentions
> "indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages" (attribution:
> Wikipedia).
>
> I have no evidence that your unsolicited commercial offers are sent in
> "bulk".
>
> Jeff
>
> "Steve" <nonsense DeleteThis @nomsense.com> wrote in message
> news:dOOdnUBcWv86bSjVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>I offered to help Debra if she needs to get her database up and running
>>immediately. It's up to her to decide. It's none of your business!!!!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense DeleteThis @nonsense.com> wrote in message
>> news:eEd8d7JCJHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> These newsgroups are not your private job search source. Folks who post
>>> here expect to get (and give) free help.
>>>
>>> Please stop trolling for jobs here.
>>>
>>> Jeff Boyce
>>>
>>> "Steve" <nonsense DeleteThis @nomsense.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nqydnfzAC65sPijVnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>> Hello Debra,
>>>>
>>>> I provide help with Access applications for a very modest fee.
>>>> Frequently I work with customers developing the design of the table
>>>> structure for a new database. My fee for this work is very reasonable.
>>>> If you would like my help cpntact me at rlaird DeleteThis @penn.com.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "D Pierce" <DPierce DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:E5DB017E-4C18-4EC4-939D-CF785D04575A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>I am looking for a database format that will let me input the key
>>>>>position,
>>>>> position holder, possible candidates, Development need, Officer
>>>>> responsible,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to be able to search by any of the various fields. Any help
>>>>> would be
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Debra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Anyone have a database for Manpower Planning? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
This from the person who doesn't understand "volunteer". Without trying to
speak for Jeff, I expect his reply was intended to be ironic. I tend to
doubt he has become your new ally. However, if it helps ease your mind I
will say that I too misused "spamming" as a shorthand for "inappropriate
business solicitations in a public volunteer newsgroup". While you have
surely posted hundreds of solicitations, they were at many different times,
not all at once.
"Steve" <nonsense.RemoveThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
news:M_adnVozIs2sUyvVnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Tell Bruce what "spamming" means. he doesn't know!
>
> Steve
>
>
> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.RemoveThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
> news:%2388cmLSCJHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I apologize, Steve.
>>
>> I just checked a formal definition of "spamming", which mentions
>> "indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages" (attribution:
>> Wikipedia).
>>
>> I have no evidence that your unsolicited commercial offers are sent in
>> "bulk".
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Steve" <nonsense.RemoveThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>> news:dOOdnUBcWv86bSjVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>I offered to help Debra if she needs to get her database up and running
>>>immediately. It's up to her to decide. It's none of your business!!!!
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.RemoveThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eEd8d7JCJHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> These newsgroups are not your private job search source. Folks who
>>>> post here expect to get (and give) free help.
>>>>
>>>> Please stop trolling for jobs here.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Boyce
>>>>
>>>> "Steve" <nonsense.RemoveThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:nqydnfzAC65sPijVnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>> Hello Debra,
>>>>>
>>>>> I provide help with Access applications for a very modest fee.
>>>>> Frequently I work with customers developing the design of the table
>>>>> structure for a new database. My fee for this work is very reasonable.
>>>>> If you would like my help cpntact me at rlaird.RemoveThis@penn.com.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "D Pierce" <DPierce.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:E5DB017E-4C18-4EC4-939D-CF785D04575A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>I am looking for a database format that will let me input the key
>>>>>>position,
>>>>>> position holder, possible candidates, Development need, Officer
>>>>>> responsible,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to be able to search by any of the various fields. Any help
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Debra
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Anyone have a database for Manpower Planning? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
It's so hard to stick my tongue in my cheek and type at the same time...
Thanks, Bruce.
Jeff
(was your tongue ...?)
"BruceM" <bamoob.RemoveThis@yawhodotcalm.not> wrote in message
news:exQy45SCJHA.2264@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> This from the person who doesn't understand "volunteer". Without trying
> to speak for Jeff, I expect his reply was intended to be ironic. I tend
> to doubt he has become your new ally. However, if it helps ease your mind
> I will say that I too misused "spamming" as a shorthand for "inappropriate
> business solicitations in a public volunteer newsgroup". While you have
> surely posted hundreds of solicitations, they were at many different
> times, not all at once.
>
> "Steve" <nonsense.RemoveThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
> news:M_adnVozIs2sUyvVnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> Tell Bruce what "spamming" means. he doesn't know!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.RemoveThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
>> news:%2388cmLSCJHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>I apologize, Steve.
>>>
>>> I just checked a formal definition of "spamming", which mentions
>>> "indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages" (attribution:
>>> Wikipedia).
>>>
>>> I have no evidence that your unsolicited commercial offers are sent in
>>> "bulk".
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> "Steve" <nonsense.RemoveThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>>> news:dOOdnUBcWv86bSjVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>I offered to help Debra if she needs to get her database up and running
>>>>immediately. It's up to her to decide. It's none of your business!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.RemoveThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eEd8d7JCJHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> These newsgroups are not your private job search source. Folks who
>>>>> post here expect to get (and give) free help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please stop trolling for jobs here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff Boyce
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve" <nonsense.RemoveThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:nqydnfzAC65sPijVnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>>> Hello Debra,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I provide help with Access applications for a very modest fee.
>>>>>> Frequently I work with customers developing the design of the table
>>>>>> structure for a new database. My fee for this work is very
>>>>>> reasonable. If you would like my help cpntact me at rlaird.RemoveThis@penn.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "D Pierce" <DPierce.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:E5DB017E-4C18-4EC4-939D-CF785D04575A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>I am looking for a database format that will let me input the key
>>>>>>>position,
>>>>>>> position holder, possible candidates, Development need, Officer
>>>>>>> responsible,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need to be able to search by any of the various fields. Any help
>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Debra
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Anyone have a database for Manpower Planning? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
That is only one definition. Steve's posts and the canned meat seem to leave
the same after taste.
John... Visio MVP
"Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
news:%2388cmLSCJHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I apologize, Steve.
>
> I just checked a formal definition of "spamming", which mentions
> "indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages" (attribution:
> Wikipedia).
>
> I have no evidence that your unsolicited commercial offers are sent in
> "bulk".
>
> Jeff
>
> "Steve" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
> news:dOOdnUBcWv86bSjVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>I offered to help Debra if she needs to get her database up and running
>>immediately. It's up to her to decide. It's none of your business!!!!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
>> news:eEd8d7JCJHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> These newsgroups are not your private job search source. Folks who post
>>> here expect to get (and give) free help.
>>>
>>> Please stop trolling for jobs here.
>>>
>>> Jeff Boyce
>>>
>>> "Steve" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nqydnfzAC65sPijVnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>> Hello Debra,
>>>>
>>>> I provide help with Access applications for a very modest fee.
>>>> Frequently I work with customers developing the design of the table
>>>> structure for a new database. My fee for this work is very reasonable.
>>>> If you would like my help cpntact me at rlaird.DeleteThis@penn.com.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "D Pierce" <DPierce.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:E5DB017E-4C18-4EC4-939D-CF785D04575A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>I am looking for a database format that will let me input the key
>>>>>position,
>>>>> position holder, possible candidates, Development need, Officer
>>>>> responsible,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to be able to search by any of the various fields. Any help
>>>>> would be
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Debra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Anyone have a database for Manpower Planning? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
So this only shows what you previously said "I apologize, Steve" was totally
insincere! One can only conclude that since you speak with a forked tongue
that nothing you say can be trusted!!!!
Steve
"Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
news:%23kYvA6TCJHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> It's so hard to stick my tongue in my cheek and type at the same time...
>
> Thanks, Bruce.
>
> Jeff
>
> (was your tongue ...?)
> "BruceM" <bamoob.DeleteThis@yawhodotcalm.not> wrote in message
> news:exQy45SCJHA.2264@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> This from the person who doesn't understand "volunteer". Without trying
>> to speak for Jeff, I expect his reply was intended to be ironic. I tend
>> to doubt he has become your new ally. However, if it helps ease your
>> mind I will say that I too misused "spamming" as a shorthand for
>> "inappropriate business solicitations in a public volunteer newsgroup".
>> While you have surely posted hundreds of solicitations, they were at many
>> different times, not all at once.
>>
>> "Steve" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>> news:M_adnVozIs2sUyvVnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> Tell Bruce what "spamming" means. he doesn't know!
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%2388cmLSCJHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>I apologize, Steve.
>>>>
>>>> I just checked a formal definition of "spamming", which mentions
>>>> "indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages" (attribution:
>>>> Wikipedia).
>>>>
>>>> I have no evidence that your unsolicited commercial offers are sent in
>>>> "bulk".
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> "Steve" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:dOOdnUBcWv86bSjVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>>I offered to help Debra if she needs to get her database up and running
>>>>>immediately. It's up to her to decide. It's none of your business!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eEd8d7JCJHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> These newsgroups are not your private job search source. Folks who
>>>>>> post here expect to get (and give) free help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please stop trolling for jobs here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff Boyce
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:nqydnfzAC65sPijVnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>>>> Hello Debra,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I provide help with Access applications for a very modest fee.
>>>>>>> Frequently I work with customers developing the design of the table
>>>>>>> structure for a new database. My fee for this work is very
>>>>>>> reasonable. If you would like my help cpntact me at rlaird.DeleteThis@penn.com.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "D Pierce" <DPierce.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:E5DB017E-4C18-4EC4-939D-CF785D04575A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>I am looking for a database format that will let me input the key
>>>>>>>>position,
>>>>>>>> position holder, possible candidates, Development need, Officer
>>>>>>>> responsible,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I need to be able to search by any of the various fields. Any help
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Debra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Anyone have a database for Manpower Planning? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Sorry, but you misread or misinterpreted again.
I was sincere in my apology about calling your unsolicited trolling "spam",
as that was an incorrect term.
My tongue-in-cheek comment related to my "no evidence ..." statement.
Jeff
(P.S. -- you might want to look up the term "projection")
"Steve" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
news:H-udnZpREP6HmCrVnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@earthlink.com...
> So this only shows what you previously said "I apologize, Steve" was
> totally insincere! One can only conclude that since you speak with a
> forked tongue that nothing you say can be trusted!!!!
>
> Steve
>
> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
> news:%23kYvA6TCJHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> It's so hard to stick my tongue in my cheek and type at the same time...
>>
>> Thanks, Bruce.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> (was your tongue ...?)
>> "BruceM" <bamoob.DeleteThis@yawhodotcalm.not> wrote in message
>> news:exQy45SCJHA.2264@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> This from the person who doesn't understand "volunteer". Without trying
>>> to speak for Jeff, I expect his reply was intended to be ironic. I tend
>>> to doubt he has become your new ally. However, if it helps ease your
>>> mind I will say that I too misused "spamming" as a shorthand for
>>> "inappropriate business solicitations in a public volunteer newsgroup".
>>> While you have surely posted hundreds of solicitations, they were at
>>> many different times, not all at once.
>>>
>>> "Steve" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>>> news:M_adnVozIs2sUyvVnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>> Tell Bruce what "spamming" means. he doesn't know!
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%2388cmLSCJHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I apologize, Steve.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just checked a formal definition of "spamming", which mentions
>>>>> "indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages" (attribution:
>>>>> Wikipedia).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no evidence that your unsolicited commercial offers are sent in
>>>>> "bulk".
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:dOOdnUBcWv86bSjVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>>>I offered to help Debra if she needs to get her database up and
>>>>>>running immediately. It's up to her to decide. It's none of your
>>>>>>business!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jeff Boyce" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nonsense.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eEd8d7JCJHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> These newsgroups are not your private job search source. Folks who
>>>>>>> post here expect to get (and give) free help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please stop trolling for jobs here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff Boyce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Steve" <nonsense.DeleteThis@nomsense.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:nqydnfzAC65sPijVnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>>>>> Hello Debra,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I provide help with Access applications for a very modest fee.
>>>>>>>> Frequently I work with customers developing the design of the table
>>>>>>>> structure for a new database. My fee for this work is very
>>>>>>>> reasonable. If you would like my help cpntact me at
>>>>>>>> rlaird.DeleteThis@penn.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "D Pierce" <DPierce.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:E5DB017E-4C18-4EC4-939D-CF785D04575A@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>I am looking for a database format that will let me input the key
>>>>>>>>>position,
>>>>>>>>> position holder, possible candidates, Development need, Officer
>>>>>>>>> responsible,
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I need to be able to search by any of the various fields. Any
>>>>>>>>> help would be
>>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Debra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Anyone have a database for Manpower Planning? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"Steve" <nonsense DeleteThis @nomsense.com> wrote in message
news:H-udnZpREP6HmCrVnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@earthlink.com...
> So this only shows what you previously said "I apologize, Steve" was
> totally insincere! One can only conclude that since you speak with a
> forked tongue that nothing you say can be trusted!!!!
>
> Steve
Are you looking in a mirror? You are the only one here being dishonest. Jeff
made an honest overstatement and apologized. You on the other hand make
libelous accusations and never apologize.
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