Publisher 2007 incompatability with IE8

Hi, Spike,

Thanks for your kind comment.

Re the fuzzy print top right of each page: are you talking about the very
top blue AACE International logo banner? The smaller words above and to the
right of that banner say, "The Association for the Advancement of Cost
Engineering."

And you're absolutely right about it being fuzzy. (You see, you're all
still keeping me on my Web development toes!) That logo banner was borrowed
from the national site with their encouragement (so Sections can keep a
degree of consistency for their individual sites).

And I too saw from the start the small print words were not too clear.
Always meant to do something about it, and now I'm inspired to actually do it.

I don't like betas either, but am worried that by the time the final IE 8
version is out, it will be a mad dash to fix all the broken Publisher sites.
And meanwhile, many sites may not be viewable with IE 8. Maybe someone else
has downloaded the beta and can test it out.

Always learn something when I'm on this forum. Thanks again.

--
Liz4.0


"Spike" wrote:

> NICE WORK:
>
> One comment:
> My tired old eyes had a difficult time reading the upper right words on the
> pages
> I see that it is an image with text
> I do not have IE 8 (tend to stay away from betas)
>
> Spike
>
> "Liz" <liz.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1DEE0850-6BD4-42AE-B982-4D1F1F8C85C1@microsoft.com...
> > David,
> >
> > This sounds like a computer technology version of "who moved my cheese"?
> > Just when you begin to feel halfway comfortable with the way things work,
> > the
> > powers that be decide to change the parameters, and you have to find new
> > solutions. The result is that you can never really feel you've got a
> > handle
> > on anything for very long. <sigh> I guess that true of most things in
> > life,
> > though.
> >
> > Well, enough philosophical musings...back to practical matters.
> >
> > Hope you can load IE 8 soon. Whenever you do, or if someone else out
> > there
> > already has IE 8 beta 2 and wants a Publisher 2007 site out there to test
> > with the compatibility button, be my guest: www.nflaace.org.
> >
> > It's a work in progress, I grant you, so go easy on me. Just please post
> > back with the results -- did the site look scrambled to you? If so, did
> > the
> > compatibility button make a difference?
> >
> > Will stay tuned. Thanks again for your help.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Liz4.0
> >
> >
> > "DavidF" wrote:
> >
> >> Liz,
> >>
> >> Darn. I had hoped to at least confirm that the compatibility mode in the
> >> IE8
> >> beta would work with Pub webs.
> >>
> >> As I suggested, I doubt that just inserting that code snippet into the
> >> body
> >> of a Pub web will fix the issue, and to get at the Head, you need to edit
> >> the html code directly. While I would rather see a patch to Publisher
> >> that
> >> automagically incorporates this into Pub pages, I doubt that we will be
> >> able
> >> to wait for MSFT to offer the patch. I am also guessing that we will be
> >> able
> >> to use replaceinfile much as we do to add centering code, since it is
> >> just
> >> one line, but I just don't have the time to test it right now. Plus that
> >> will not be a fix for the average Publisher user anyway.
> >>
> >> I will plan on downloading and installing IE8 beta on a test partition
> >> and
> >> test as I get time. In the meantime, please post any additional
> >> information
> >> you might uncover.
> >>
> >> On a more positive note...sort of...there is going to be a lot of pages
> >> that
> >> break in IE8, not just Publisher pages. That means at least the people
> >> that
> >> use IE8 will already be aware of the problem, and won't necessarily move
> >> on
> >> from your site without trying the compatibility mode. Let's just hope
> >> that
> >> Pub sites render ok in compatibility mode...
> >>
> >> DavidF
> >>
> >> "Liz" <liz.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:9800C0BF-50BC-44BE-9FE5-D2F9E45D3725@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi, David,
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, no -- I haven't installed IE 8 as yet. I'd rather learn from
> >> > others
> >> > who do the first adapting! I only read about the IE 8 compatibility
> >> > button
> >> > on the IE 8 beta site at MS, but haven't actually used it.
> >> >
> >> > But as a Web site developer (sounds so pretentious for what I do), I'd
> >> > like
> >> > to be able to fix the issue at my Web site, and not depend on viewers
> >> > to
> >> > push
> >> > that button if they see scrambles instead of the correct site. Could
> >> > lose
> >> > more than a few visitors that way.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the instructions on testing the compatibility code with
> >> > Publisher, when the time comes.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe there's someone out there who has tested all this with IE 8, and
> >> > is
> >> > willing to share experiences. Personally, I'm not ready to give up my
> >> > IE
> >> > 7
> >> > for a beta yet, esp. one with compatibility issues. Just conservative,
> >> > I
> >> > guess.
> >> >
> >> > Will continue to follow this and other similiar threads on this forum
> >> > for
> >> > latest developments. Have always found great advice here whenever I
> >> > needed
> >> > it.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Liz4.0
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Liz,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the post, as this subject is of concern to everyone that
> >> >> uses
> >> >> Publisher for webs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you saying that if you view your Pub site in compatibility mode in
> >> >> IE8
> >> >> beta, that the site renders correctly? That alone would be good news.
> >> >>
> >> >> As per the information about the quick fix, as I understand it that
> >> >> code
> >> >> snippet must be placed in the Head section, and you cannot access the
> >> >> Head
> >> >> via the insert html code fragment feature....but,
> >> >>
> >> >> Try going to Insert > html code fragment and pasting the snippet into
> >> >> the
> >> >> code fragment box:
> >> >>
> >> >> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7"/>
> >> >>
> >> >> Then put the box somewhere near the top of your page and test the page
> >> >> in
> >> >> IE8 and see if by some chance it does fix the problem. I doubt that it
> >> >> will,
> >> >> but it is a quick test. Let us know. I would do it myself, but I have
> >> >> not
> >> >> installed IE8.
> >> >>
> >> >> DavidF
> >> >>
> >> >> "Liz" <liz.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:D2299FB6-8DD0-48F0-8864-877BAC1CF6CC@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Hi, Everyone,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (Sorry if this is a repeat...tried to post this before but got no
> >> >> > confirmation screen.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm a small Web site developer and maintainer for a non-profit,
> >> >> > using
> >> >> > Publisher 2007. Have also been concerned about IE 8 compatibility
> >> >> > issues.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In addition to the Compatibility Button included in IE 8 beta 2
> >> >> > (applied
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > a site by site basis), there are also other site developer fixes at
> >> >> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc817570.aspx.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > One of the quick fixes suggested is to add a code snippet to your
> >> >> > Publisher
> >> >> > 2007 Web site. Other suggestions are too complex for me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm not a coder, and rely on Publisher to generate most of the code
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > me.
> >> >> > Can someone who knows more about this than I do, please help me with
> >> >> > simple
> >> >> > step by step specifics of how and where to add this code snippet?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I assume you use the Insert Code function, but where, and how often?
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > read
> >> >> > the MS instructions, but still need more specifics.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Has anyone tried this, and with what results?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also, would this code snippet affect how Publisher 2007 sites are
> >> >> > viewed
> >> >> > by
> >> >> > FireFox and others?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any help greatly appreciated.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (And no, I really, really don't want to switch to another Web site
> >> >> > software,
> >> >> > and start the learning curve all over again. It took too much time
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > effort to get where I am today at a moderate competence level with
> >> >> > Publisher
> >> >> > 2007.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks!
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Liz4.0
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I think that since IE8 is in beta, by definition it is not in the
> >> >> >> final
> >> >> >> release form and will be updated. Whether its final form will work
> >> >> >> well
> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> Publisher and other "non-standards compliant" webs will be unknown
> >> >> >> until
> >> >> >> that time. There are lots of web sites that are not "standards
> >> >> >> compliant"
> >> >> >> besides Publisher webs, and whether IE8 will render those sites
> >> >> >> correctly
> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> not will be seen when it is out of beta. That is the whole idea
> >> >> >> behind
> >> >> >> Compatibility View as I understand it. Publisher may not need to be
> >> >> >> changed
> >> >> >> for the Publisher webs to work correctly in IE8.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Whether Publisher will updated to produce more "standards
> >> >> >> compliant"
> >> >> >> code
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> a different question. MSFT has put most of their resources into
> >> >> >> developing
> >> >> >> and improving Web Expression as their standards compliant web
> >> >> >> editor,
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> improving other Office programs. Publisher has not been given much
> >> >> >> attention
> >> >> >> since Office 2007 was released. SP1 made only minor changes, and it
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> unknown at this time just what all the Office 2007 SP2 will change.
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> haven't heard of any new versions to be released in the near
> >> >> >> future.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And whether Publisher produces code that works in FireFox is yet
> >> >> >> another
> >> >> >> question. It already does. There are some things that you cannot do
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> Publisher web if you want your pages to render correctly in FF, but
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> general we have found that most issues can be fixed with changing
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> design
> >> >> >> or layout. If you are having any specific problems with a Publisher
> >> >> >> web
> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> working correctly in FF, then post a link to the page and tell us
> >> >> >> specifically what the problem is, and chances are we can tell you
> >> >> >> how
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> fix
> >> >> >> it...but please start a new thread rather than within this one.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> DavidF
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "james" <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:edDwMyHXJHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > Will there be an update to publisher so that it can produce IE8
> >> >> >> > compatible
> >> >> >> > (and hopefully firefox as well) code?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "DavidF" <Nope.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:eAYmoVsWJHA.5364@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> IE 8 is in beta, and thus by definition is not the finished
> >> >> >> >> product.
> >> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> >> goal of IE 8 is to view pages in a standards compliant mode.
> >> >> >> >> Publisher
> >> >> >> >> webs are not standards compliant. Try switching to Compatibility
> >> >> >> >> View
> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> IE 8 and see if that resolves your problem. Compatibility View
> >> >> >> >> renders

Liz,

I like your analogy, but choose to look at it in another way. Part of what I
enjoy about building websites is the need to get creative and find solutions
for the changes. That is part of the reason I stay involved in the
newsgroup. I like learning new ways of doing things, even though it can be a
bit disconcerting at first when they "moved the cheese".

I did download IE8 beta 2 the other day and hope to install it on a test
partition this weekend. If so, I will let you know how your site looks. I am
confident that we will find ways of getting Pub webs to view ok in IE8.

As per your site, I like it. I think it illustrates that you can build a
good looking, functional and cross browser compatible site with Publisher.

Didn't you use to have a PayPal feature?

DavidF

"Liz" <liz.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1DEE0850-6BD4-42AE-B982-4D1F1F8C85C1@microsoft.com...
> David,
>
> This sounds like a computer technology version of "who moved my cheese"?
> Just when you begin to feel halfway comfortable with the way things work,
> the
> powers that be decide to change the parameters, and you have to find new
> solutions. The result is that you can never really feel you've got a
> handle
> on anything for very long. <sigh> I guess that true of most things in
> life,
> though.
>
> Well, enough philosophical musings...back to practical matters.
>
> Hope you can load IE 8 soon. Whenever you do, or if someone else out
> there
> already has IE 8 beta 2 and wants a Publisher 2007 site out there to test
> with the compatibility button, be my guest: www.nflaace.org.
>
> It's a work in progress, I grant you, so go easy on me. Just please post
> back with the results -- did the site look scrambled to you? If so, did
> the
> compatibility button make a difference?
>
> Will stay tuned. Thanks again for your help.
>
>
>
> --
> Liz4.0
>
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>
>> Liz,
>>
>> Darn. I had hoped to at least confirm that the compatibility mode in the
>> IE8
>> beta would work with Pub webs.
>>
>> As I suggested, I doubt that just inserting that code snippet into the
>> body
>> of a Pub web will fix the issue, and to get at the Head, you need to edit
>> the html code directly. While I would rather see a patch to Publisher
>> that
>> automagically incorporates this into Pub pages, I doubt that we will be
>> able
>> to wait for MSFT to offer the patch. I am also guessing that we will be
>> able
>> to use replaceinfile much as we do to add centering code, since it is
>> just
>> one line, but I just don't have the time to test it right now. Plus that
>> will not be a fix for the average Publisher user anyway.
>>
>> I will plan on downloading and installing IE8 beta on a test partition
>> and
>> test as I get time. In the meantime, please post any additional
>> information
>> you might uncover.
>>
>> On a more positive note...sort of...there is going to be a lot of pages
>> that
>> break in IE8, not just Publisher pages. That means at least the people
>> that
>> use IE8 will already be aware of the problem, and won't necessarily move
>> on
>> from your site without trying the compatibility mode. Let's just hope
>> that
>> Pub sites render ok in compatibility mode...
>>
>> DavidF
>>
>> "Liz" <liz.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9800C0BF-50BC-44BE-9FE5-D2F9E45D3725@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi, David,
>> >
>> > Sorry, no -- I haven't installed IE 8 as yet. I'd rather learn from
>> > others
>> > who do the first adapting! I only read about the IE 8 compatibility
>> > button
>> > on the IE 8 beta site at MS, but haven't actually used it.
>> >
>> > But as a Web site developer (sounds so pretentious for what I do), I'd
>> > like
>> > to be able to fix the issue at my Web site, and not depend on viewers
>> > to
>> > push
>> > that button if they see scrambles instead of the correct site. Could
>> > lose
>> > more than a few visitors that way.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the instructions on testing the compatibility code with
>> > Publisher, when the time comes.
>> >
>> > Maybe there's someone out there who has tested all this with IE 8, and
>> > is
>> > willing to share experiences. Personally, I'm not ready to give up my
>> > IE
>> > 7
>> > for a beta yet, esp. one with compatibility issues. Just conservative,
>> > I
>> > guess.
>> >
>> > Will continue to follow this and other similiar threads on this forum
>> > for
>> > latest developments. Have always found great advice here whenever I
>> > needed
>> > it.
>> >
>> > Thanks again.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Liz4.0
>> >
>> >
>> > "DavidF" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Liz,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the post, as this subject is of concern to everyone that
>> >> uses
>> >> Publisher for webs.
>> >>
>> >> Are you saying that if you view your Pub site in compatibility mode in
>> >> IE8
>> >> beta, that the site renders correctly? That alone would be good news.
>> >>
>> >> As per the information about the quick fix, as I understand it that
>> >> code
>> >> snippet must be placed in the Head section, and you cannot access the
>> >> Head
>> >> via the insert html code fragment feature....but,
>> >>
>> >> Try going to Insert > html code fragment and pasting the snippet into
>> >> the
>> >> code fragment box:
>> >>
>> >> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7"/>
>> >>
>> >> Then put the box somewhere near the top of your page and test the page
>> >> in
>> >> IE8 and see if by some chance it does fix the problem. I doubt that it
>> >> will,
>> >> but it is a quick test. Let us know. I would do it myself, but I have
>> >> not
>> >> installed IE8.
>> >>
>> >> DavidF
>> >>
>> >> "Liz" <liz.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:D2299FB6-8DD0-48F0-8864-877BAC1CF6CC@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi, Everyone,
>> >> >
>> >> > (Sorry if this is a repeat...tried to post this before but got no
>> >> > confirmation screen.)
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm a small Web site developer and maintainer for a non-profit,
>> >> > using
>> >> > Publisher 2007. Have also been concerned about IE 8 compatibility
>> >> > issues.
>> >> >
>> >> > In addition to the Compatibility Button included in IE 8 beta 2
>> >> > (applied
>> >> > on
>> >> > a site by site basis), there are also other site developer fixes at
>> >> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc817570.aspx.
>> >> >
>> >> > One of the quick fixes suggested is to add a code snippet to your
>> >> > Publisher
>> >> > 2007 Web site. Other suggestions are too complex for me.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not a coder, and rely on Publisher to generate most of the code
>> >> > for
>> >> > me.
>> >> > Can someone who knows more about this than I do, please help me with
>> >> > simple
>> >> > step by step specifics of how and where to add this code snippet?
>> >> >
>> >> > I assume you use the Insert Code function, but where, and how often?
>> >> > I
>> >> > read
>> >> > the MS instructions, but still need more specifics.
>> >> >
>> >> > Has anyone tried this, and with what results?
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, would this code snippet affect how Publisher 2007 sites are
>> >> > viewed
>> >> > by
>> >> > FireFox and others?
>> >> >
>> >> > Any help greatly appreciated.
>> >> >
>> >> > (And no, I really, really don't want to switch to another Web site
>> >> > software,
>> >> > and start the learning curve all over again. It took too much time
>> >> > and
>> >> > effort to get where I am today at a moderate competence level with
>> >> > Publisher
>> >> > 2007.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> > --
>> >> > Liz4.0
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think that since IE8 is in beta, by definition it is not in the
>> >> >> final
>> >> >> release form and will be updated. Whether its final form will work
>> >> >> well
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> Publisher and other "non-standards compliant" webs will be unknown
>> >> >> until
>> >> >> that time. There are lots of web sites that are not "standards
>> >> >> compliant"
>> >> >> besides Publisher webs, and whether IE8 will render those sites
>> >> >> correctly
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> not will be seen when it is out of beta. That is the whole idea
>> >> >> behind
>> >> >> Compatibility View as I understand it. Publisher may not need to be
>> >> >> changed
>> >> >> for the Publisher webs to work correctly in IE8.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Whether Publisher will updated to produce more "standards
>> >> >> compliant"
>> >> >> code
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> a different question. MSFT has put most of their resources into
>> >> >> developing
>> >> >> and improving Web Expression as their standards compliant web
>> >> >> editor,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> improving other Office programs. Publisher has not been given much
>> >> >> attention
>> >> >> since Office 2007 was released. SP1 made only minor changes, and it
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> unknown at this time just what all the Office 2007 SP2 will change.
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> haven't heard of any new versions to be released in the near
>> >> >> future.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And whether Publisher produces code that works in FireFox is yet
>> >> >> another
>> >> >> question. It already does. There are some things that you cannot do
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> Publisher web if you want your pages to render correctly in FF, but
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> general we have found that most issues can be fixed with changing
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> design
>> >> >> or layout. If you are having any specific problems with a Publisher
>> >> >> web
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> working correctly in FF, then post a link to the page and tell us
>> >> >> specifically what the problem is, and chances are we can tell you
>> >> >> how
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> fix
>> >> >> it...but please start a new thread rather than within this one.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> DavidF
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "james" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:edDwMyHXJHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > Will there be an update to publisher so that it can produce IE8
>> >> >> > compatible
>> >> >> > (and hopefully firefox as well) code?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "DavidF" <Nope.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:eAYmoVsWJHA.5364@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> IE 8 is in beta, and thus by definition is not the finished
>> >> >> >> product.
>> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> goal of IE 8 is to view pages in a standards compliant mode.
>> >> >> >> Publisher
>> >> >> >> webs are not standards compliant. Try switching to Compatibility
>> >> >> >> View
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> IE 8 and see if that resolves your problem. Compatibility View
>> >> >> >> renders
>> >> >> >> the page as if you were using IE 7 from what I understand.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Introducing Compatibility View:
>> >> >> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/introducing-compatibility-view.aspx
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Please post back and let us know if Compatibility View allows
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> view
>> >> >> >> Publisher webs with IE 8 beta. Thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> DavidF
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> <wayne.read.RemoveThis@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:eae01de6-b481-4633-a0fc-3769ad3b4ba5@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >>>I have created a website using Publisher 2007 and it works fine
>> >> >> >>>with
>> >> >> >>> IE7 however in IE8 I loose my hyperlinks. How can I fix this?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Hi, David,

Thanks for the comments and encouragement. I'm usually not so negative, but
when you're responsible for keeping a site up and running for someone else,
these "small challenges" can be quite annoying indeed.

I guess I just get nervous when some technical change I have no control over
threatens to make my site unviewable to some. I'm sure it will eventually
work out somehow. I do enjoy the challenge of learning new things, so am
keeping my hopes up and fingers crossed.

Re PayPal -- yes, I did have PayPal on the site for awhile. It was for a
special seminar series that is over now, so the PayPal function for paying
the seminar fee is no longer needed. It worked just fine, and I'm glad to
have learned about it for whenever I need it again.

I also taught myself how to create a working Publisher form with responses
sent by e-mail with that seminar. That particular challenge was especially
satisfying to work out successfully.

Will be eagerly awaiting your IE 8 experiment results.

Thanks again.
--
Liz4.0


"DavidF" wrote:

> Liz,
>
> I like your analogy, but choose to look at it in another way. Part of what I
> enjoy about building websites is the need to get creative and find solutions
> for the changes. That is part of the reason I stay involved in the
> newsgroup. I like learning new ways of doing things, even though it can be a
> bit disconcerting at first when they "moved the cheese".
>
> I did download IE8 beta 2 the other day and hope to install it on a test
> partition this weekend. If so, I will let you know how your site looks. I am
> confident that we will find ways of getting Pub webs to view ok in IE8.
>
> As per your site, I like it. I think it illustrates that you can build a
> good looking, functional and cross browser compatible site with Publisher.
>
> Didn't you use to have a PayPal feature?
>
> DavidF
>
> "Liz" <liz.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1DEE0850-6BD4-42AE-B982-4D1F1F8C85C1@microsoft.com...
> > David,
> >
> > This sounds like a computer technology version of "who moved my cheese"?
> > Just when you begin to feel halfway comfortable with the way things work,
> > the
> > powers that be decide to change the parameters, and you have to find new
> > solutions. The result is that you can never really feel you've got a
> > handle
> > on anything for very long. <sigh> I guess that true of most things in
> > life,
> > though.
> >
> > Well, enough philosophical musings...back to practical matters.
> >
> > Hope you can load IE 8 soon. Whenever you do, or if someone else out
> > there
> > already has IE 8 beta 2 and wants a Publisher 2007 site out there to test
> > with the compatibility button, be my guest: www.nflaace.org.
> >
> > It's a work in progress, I grant you, so go easy on me. Just please post
> > back with the results -- did the site look scrambled to you? If so, did
> > the
> > compatibility button make a difference?
> >
> > Will stay tuned. Thanks again for your help.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Liz4.0
> >
> >
> > "DavidF" wrote:
> >
> >> Liz,
> >>
> >> Darn. I had hoped to at least confirm that the compatibility mode in the
> >> IE8
> >> beta would work with Pub webs.
> >>
> >> As I suggested, I doubt that just inserting that code snippet into the
> >> body
> >> of a Pub web will fix the issue, and to get at the Head, you need to edit
> >> the html code directly. While I would rather see a patch to Publisher
> >> that
> >> automagically incorporates this into Pub pages, I doubt that we will be
> >> able
> >> to wait for MSFT to offer the patch. I am also guessing that we will be
> >> able
> >> to use replaceinfile much as we do to add centering code, since it is
> >> just
> >> one line, but I just don't have the time to test it right now. Plus that
> >> will not be a fix for the average Publisher user anyway.
> >>
> >> I will plan on downloading and installing IE8 beta on a test partition
> >> and
> >> test as I get time. In the meantime, please post any additional
> >> information
> >> you might uncover.
> >>
> >> On a more positive note...sort of...there is going to be a lot of pages
> >> that
> >> break in IE8, not just Publisher pages. That means at least the people
> >> that
> >> use IE8 will already be aware of the problem, and won't necessarily move
> >> on
> >> from your site without trying the compatibility mode. Let's just hope
> >> that
> >> Pub sites render ok in compatibility mode...
> >>
> >> DavidF
> >>
> >> "Liz" <liz.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:9800C0BF-50BC-44BE-9FE5-D2F9E45D3725@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi, David,
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, no -- I haven't installed IE 8 as yet. I'd rather learn from
> >> > others
> >> > who do the first adapting! I only read about the IE 8 compatibility
> >> > button
> >> > on the IE 8 beta site at MS, but haven't actually used it.
> >> >
> >> > But as a Web site developer (sounds so pretentious for what I do), I'd
> >> > like
> >> > to be able to fix the issue at my Web site, and not depend on viewers
> >> > to
> >> > push
> >> > that button if they see scrambles instead of the correct site. Could
> >> > lose
> >> > more than a few visitors that way.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the instructions on testing the compatibility code with
> >> > Publisher, when the time comes.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe there's someone out there who has tested all this with IE 8, and
> >> > is
> >> > willing to share experiences. Personally, I'm not ready to give up my
> >> > IE
> >> > 7
> >> > for a beta yet, esp. one with compatibility issues. Just conservative,
> >> > I
> >> > guess.
> >> >
> >> > Will continue to follow this and other similiar threads on this forum
> >> > for
> >> > latest developments. Have always found great advice here whenever I
> >> > needed
> >> > it.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Liz4.0
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Liz,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the post, as this subject is of concern to everyone that
> >> >> uses
> >> >> Publisher for webs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you saying that if you view your Pub site in compatibility mode in
> >> >> IE8
> >> >> beta, that the site renders correctly? That alone would be good news.
> >> >>
> >> >> As per the information about the quick fix, as I understand it that
> >> >> code
> >> >> snippet must be placed in the Head section, and you cannot access the
> >> >> Head
> >> >> via the insert html code fragment feature....but,
> >> >>
> >> >> Try going to Insert > html code fragment and pasting the snippet into
> >> >> the
> >> >> code fragment box:
> >> >>
> >> >> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7"/>
> >> >>
> >> >> Then put the box somewhere near the top of your page and test the page
> >> >> in
> >> >> IE8 and see if by some chance it does fix the problem. I doubt that it
> >> >> will,
> >> >> but it is a quick test. Let us know. I would do it myself, but I have
> >> >> not
> >> >> installed IE8.
> >> >>
> >> >> DavidF
> >> >>
> >> >> "Liz" <liz.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:D2299FB6-8DD0-48F0-8864-877BAC1CF6CC@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Hi, Everyone,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (Sorry if this is a repeat...tried to post this before but got no
> >> >> > confirmation screen.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm a small Web site developer and maintainer for a non-profit,
> >> >> > using
> >> >> > Publisher 2007. Have also been concerned about IE 8 compatibility
> >> >> > issues.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In addition to the Compatibility Button included in IE 8 beta 2
> >> >> > (applied
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > a site by site basis), there are also other site developer fixes at
> >> >> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc817570.aspx.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > One of the quick fixes suggested is to add a code snippet to your
> >> >> > Publisher
> >> >> > 2007 Web site. Other suggestions are too complex for me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm not a coder, and rely on Publisher to generate most of the code
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > me.
> >> >> > Can someone who knows more about this than I do, please help me with
> >> >> > simple
> >> >> > step by step specifics of how and where to add this code snippet?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I assume you use the Insert Code function, but where, and how often?
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > read
> >> >> > the MS instructions, but still need more specifics.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Has anyone tried this, and with what results?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also, would this code snippet affect how Publisher 2007 sites are
> >> >> > viewed
> >> >> > by
> >> >> > FireFox and others?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any help greatly appreciated.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (And no, I really, really don't want to switch to another Web site
> >> >> > software,
> >> >> > and start the learning curve all over again. It took too much time
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > effort to get where I am today at a moderate competence level with
> >> >> > Publisher
> >> >> > 2007.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks!
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Liz4.0
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I think that since IE8 is in beta, by definition it is not in the
> >> >> >> final
> >> >> >> release form and will be updated. Whether its final form will work
> >> >> >> well
> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> Publisher and other "non-standards compliant" webs will be unknown
> >> >> >> until
> >> >> >> that time. There are lots of web sites that are not "standards
> >> >> >> compliant"
> >> >> >> besides Publisher webs, and whether IE8 will render those sites
> >> >> >> correctly
> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> not will be seen when it is out of beta. That is the whole idea
> >> >> >> behind
> >> >> >> Compatibility View as I understand it. Publisher may not need to be
> >> >> >> changed
> >> >> >> for the Publisher webs to work correctly in IE8.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Whether Publisher will updated to produce more "standards
> >> >> >> compliant"
> >> >> >> code
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> a different question. MSFT has put most of their resources into
> >> >> >> developing
> >> >> >> and improving Web Expression as their standards compliant web
> >> >> >> editor,
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> improving other Office programs. Publisher has not been given much
> >> >> >> attention
> >> >> >> since Office 2007 was released. SP1 made only minor changes, and it
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> unknown at this time just what all the Office 2007 SP2 will change.
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> haven't heard of any new versions to be released in the near
> >> >> >> future.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And whether Publisher produces code that works in FireFox is yet
> >> >> >> another
> >> >> >> question. It already does. There are some things that you cannot do
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> Publisher web if you want your pages to render correctly in FF, but
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> general we have found that most issues can be fixed with changing
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> design
> >> >> >> or layout. If you are having any specific problems with a Publisher
> >> >> >> web
> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> working correctly in FF, then post a link to the page and tell us
> >> >> >> specifically what the problem is, and chances are we can tell you
> >> >> >> how
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> fix
> >> >> >> it...but please start a new thread rather than within this one.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> DavidF
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "james" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:edDwMyHXJHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > Will there be an update to publisher so that it can produce IE8
> >> >> >> > compatible
> >> >> >> > (and hopefully firefox as well) code?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "DavidF" <Nope.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:eAYmoVsWJHA.5364@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> IE 8 is in beta, and thus by definition is not the finished

Hi everyone,

Just came across two sites that test your Web site in various browsers. You
may have heard about them already.

They were recently reviewed in MakeUseOf.com.

One is www.browsershots.org.

Here you type in your URL to be tested, check the browser versions you want
(includes IE , and the request is sent to its network of computers, and the
screen shot of your home page is uploaded within a few minutes in the browser
versions you requested.

I tried my site, but it looked like there were various uploading
errors...the IE 8 version home page had some elements missing, but the rest
looked OK. Not sure exactly why those elements were missing...could be the
browser version, or something else.

The other testing site is described at
http://www.makeuseof.com:80/tag/ietester/.

This one actually emulates each IE browser version (including IE 8 beta 2).
However, you have to download a 24 MB software (free) to try it. With my
slow dial-up connection, that would take hours. (Don't ask!) The site is an
alpha version, and many functions aren't working yet. Not sure how useful it
would be, but maybe someone with a high speed connection might want to try it
out.

Will stay tuned for further developments.
--
Liz4.0


"Liz" wrote:

> Hi, David,
>
> Thanks for the comments and encouragement. I'm usually not so negative, but
> when you're responsible for keeping a site up and running for someone else,
> these "small challenges" can be quite annoying indeed.
>
> I guess I just get nervous when some technical change I have no control over
> threatens to make my site unviewable to some. I'm sure it will eventually
> work out somehow. I do enjoy the challenge of learning new things, so am
> keeping my hopes up and fingers crossed.
>
> Re PayPal -- yes, I did have PayPal on the site for awhile. It was for a
> special seminar series that is over now, so the PayPal function for paying
> the seminar fee is no longer needed. It worked just fine, and I'm glad to
> have learned about it for whenever I need it again.
>
> I also taught myself how to create a working Publisher form with responses
> sent by e-mail with that seminar. That particular challenge was especially
> satisfying to work out successfully.
>
> Will be eagerly awaiting your IE 8 experiment results.
>
> Thanks again.
> --
> Liz4.0
>
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>
> > Liz,
> >
> > I like your analogy, but choose to look at it in another way. Part of what I
> > enjoy about building websites is the need to get creative and find solutions
> > for the changes. That is part of the reason I stay involved in the
> > newsgroup. I like learning new ways of doing things, even though it can be a
> > bit disconcerting at first when they "moved the cheese".
> >
> > I did download IE8 beta 2 the other day and hope to install it on a test
> > partition this weekend. If so, I will let you know how your site looks. I am
> > confident that we will find ways of getting Pub webs to view ok in IE8.
> >
> > As per your site, I like it. I think it illustrates that you can build a
> > good looking, functional and cross browser compatible site with Publisher.
> >
> > Didn't you use to have a PayPal feature?
> >
> > DavidF
> >
> > "Liz" <liz.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:1DEE0850-6BD4-42AE-B982-4D1F1F8C85C1@microsoft.com...
> > > David,
> > >
> > > This sounds like a computer technology version of "who moved my cheese"?
> > > Just when you begin to feel halfway comfortable with the way things work,
> > > the
> > > powers that be decide to change the parameters, and you have to find new
> > > solutions. The result is that you can never really feel you've got a
> > > handle
> > > on anything for very long. <sigh> I guess that true of most things in
> > > life,
> > > though.
> > >
> > > Well, enough philosophical musings...back to practical matters.
> > >
> > > Hope you can load IE 8 soon. Whenever you do, or if someone else out
> > > there
> > > already has IE 8 beta 2 and wants a Publisher 2007 site out there to test
> > > with the compatibility button, be my guest: www.nflaace.org.
> > >
> > > It's a work in progress, I grant you, so go easy on me. Just please post
> > > back with the results -- did the site look scrambled to you? If so, did
> > > the
> > > compatibility button make a difference?
> > >
> > > Will stay tuned. Thanks again for your help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Liz4.0
> > >
> > >
> > > "DavidF" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Liz,
> > >>
> > >> Darn. I had hoped to at least confirm that the compatibility mode in the
> > >> IE8
> > >> beta would work with Pub webs.
> > >>
> > >> As I suggested, I doubt that just inserting that code snippet into the
> > >> body
> > >> of a Pub web will fix the issue, and to get at the Head, you need to edit
> > >> the html code directly. While I would rather see a patch to Publisher
> > >> that
> > >> automagically incorporates this into Pub pages, I doubt that we will be
> > >> able
> > >> to wait for MSFT to offer the patch. I am also guessing that we will be
> > >> able
> > >> to use replaceinfile much as we do to add centering code, since it is
> > >> just
> > >> one line, but I just don't have the time to test it right now. Plus that
> > >> will not be a fix for the average Publisher user anyway.
> > >>
> > >> I will plan on downloading and installing IE8 beta on a test partition
> > >> and
> > >> test as I get time. In the meantime, please post any additional
> > >> information
> > >> you might uncover.
> > >>
> > >> On a more positive note...sort of...there is going to be a lot of pages
> > >> that
> > >> break in IE8, not just Publisher pages. That means at least the people
> > >> that
> > >> use IE8 will already be aware of the problem, and won't necessarily move
> > >> on
> > >> from your site without trying the compatibility mode. Let's just hope
> > >> that
> > >> Pub sites render ok in compatibility mode...
> > >>
> > >> DavidF
> > >>
> > >> "Liz" <liz.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:9800C0BF-50BC-44BE-9FE5-D2F9E45D3725@microsoft.com...
> > >> > Hi, David,
> > >> >
> > >> > Sorry, no -- I haven't installed IE 8 as yet. I'd rather learn from
> > >> > others
> > >> > who do the first adapting! I only read about the IE 8 compatibility
> > >> > button
> > >> > on the IE 8 beta site at MS, but haven't actually used it.
> > >> >
> > >> > But as a Web site developer (sounds so pretentious for what I do), I'd
> > >> > like
> > >> > to be able to fix the issue at my Web site, and not depend on viewers
> > >> > to
> > >> > push
> > >> > that button if they see scrambles instead of the correct site. Could
> > >> > lose
> > >> > more than a few visitors that way.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for the instructions on testing the compatibility code with
> > >> > Publisher, when the time comes.
> > >> >
> > >> > Maybe there's someone out there who has tested all this with IE 8, and
> > >> > is
> > >> > willing to share experiences. Personally, I'm not ready to give up my
> > >> > IE
> > >> > 7
> > >> > for a beta yet, esp. one with compatibility issues. Just conservative,
> > >> > I
> > >> > guess.
> > >> >
> > >> > Will continue to follow this and other similiar threads on this forum
> > >> > for
> > >> > latest developments. Have always found great advice here whenever I
> > >> > needed
> > >> > it.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks again.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Liz4.0
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > "DavidF" wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hi Liz,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks for the post, as this subject is of concern to everyone that
> > >> >> uses
> > >> >> Publisher for webs.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Are you saying that if you view your Pub site in compatibility mode in
> > >> >> IE8
> > >> >> beta, that the site renders correctly? That alone would be good news.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> As per the information about the quick fix, as I understand it that
> > >> >> code
> > >> >> snippet must be placed in the Head section, and you cannot access the
> > >> >> Head
> > >> >> via the insert html code fragment feature....but,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Try going to Insert > html code fragment and pasting the snippet into
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> code fragment box:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7"/>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Then put the box somewhere near the top of your page and test the page
> > >> >> in
> > >> >> IE8 and see if by some chance it does fix the problem. I doubt that it
> > >> >> will,
> > >> >> but it is a quick test. Let us know. I would do it myself, but I have
> > >> >> not
> > >> >> installed IE8.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> DavidF
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Liz" <liz.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:D2299FB6-8DD0-48F0-8864-877BAC1CF6CC@microsoft.com...
> > >> >> > Hi, Everyone,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > (Sorry if this is a repeat...tried to post this before but got no
> > >> >> > confirmation screen.)
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I'm a small Web site developer and maintainer for a non-profit,
> > >> >> > using
> > >> >> > Publisher 2007. Have also been concerned about IE 8 compatibility
> > >> >> > issues.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > In addition to the Compatibility Button included in IE 8 beta 2
> > >> >> > (applied
> > >> >> > on
> > >> >> > a site by site basis), there are also other site developer fixes at
> > >> >> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc817570.aspx.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > One of the quick fixes suggested is to add a code snippet to your
> > >> >> > Publisher
> > >> >> > 2007 Web site. Other suggestions are too complex for me.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I'm not a coder, and rely on Publisher to generate most of the code
> > >> >> > for
> > >> >> > me.
> > >> >> > Can someone who knows more about this than I do, please help me with
> > >> >> > simple
> > >> >> > step by step specifics of how and where to add this code snippet?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I assume you use the Insert Code function, but where, and how often?
> > >> >> > I
> > >> >> > read
> > >> >> > the MS instructions, but still need more specifics.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Has anyone tried this, and with what results?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Also, would this code snippet affect how Publisher 2007 sites are
> > >> >> > viewed
> > >> >> > by
> > >> >> > FireFox and others?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Any help greatly appreciated.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > (And no, I really, really don't want to switch to another Web site
> > >> >> > software,
> > >> >> > and start the learning curve all over again. It took too much time
> > >> >> > and
> > >> >> > effort to get where I am today at a moderate competence level with
> > >> >> > Publisher
> > >> >> > 2007.)
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Thanks!
> > >> >> > --
> > >> >> > Liz4.0
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> I think that since IE8 is in beta, by definition it is not in the
> > >> >> >> final
> > >> >> >> release form and will be updated. Whether its final form will work
> > >> >> >> well
> > >> >> >> with
> > >> >> >> Publisher and other "non-standards compliant" webs will be unknown
> > >> >> >> until
> > >> >> >> that time. There are lots of web sites that are not "standards
> > >> >> >> compliant"
> > >> >> >> besides Publisher webs, and whether IE8 will render those sites
> > >> >> >> correctly
> > >> >> >> or
> > >> >> >> not will be seen when it is out of beta. That is the whole idea
> > >> >> >> behind
> > >> >> >> Compatibility View as I understand it. Publisher may not need to be
> > >> >> >> changed
> > >> >> >> for the Publisher webs to work correctly in IE8.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Whether Publisher will updated to produce more "standards
> > >> >> >> compliant"
> > >> >> >> code
> > >> >> >> is
> > >> >> >> a different question. MSFT has put most of their resources into
> > >> >> >> developing
> > >> >> >> and improving Web Expression as their standards compliant web
> > >> >> >> editor,
> > >> >> >> and
> > >> >> >> improving other Office programs. Publisher has not been given much
> > >> >> >> attention
> > >> >> >> since Office 2007 was released. SP1 made only minor changes, and it
> > >> >> >> is
> > >> >> >> unknown at this time just what all the Office 2007 SP2 will change.
> > >> >> >> I
> > >> >> >> haven't heard of any new versions to be released in the near
> > >> >> >> future.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> And whether Publisher produces code that works in FireFox is yet
> > >> >> >> another
> > >> >> >> question. It already does. There are some things that you cannot do
> > >> >> >> in

Hi Liz,

I don't know if you are still monitoring this thread or not. I got busy with
other projects and didn't get around to testing until yesterday. MSFT
released IE8 RC1, and I downloaded and installed it on a test partition. The
browsershots web page does reflect the major issue with Pub webs viewed with
IE8.

At this point it appears that the major problem with viewing Publisher 2003
and 2007 webs with IE8 is the wizard built navbars are not rendered. And
viewing the site in compatibility mode does not make any difference. However
that seems to be the only problem reported thus far, and that I can see from
my limited testing. Publisher 2000 navbars don't seem to be affected and
those pages load ok in IE8.

Until this gets sorted out, the only workaround I know of is to use a
manually built navbar, or a textual navbar instead of the wizard built one.
One thing I haven't yet tested is to ungroup the navbar from the wizard, to
see if that makes any difference. I have asked another user to test this,
and I will also as time permits.

Stay tuned...

DavidF

"Liz" <liz DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3AAFB91D-900B-49CA-B145-0CFA5E4D5518@microsoft.com...
> Hi everyone,
>
> Just came across two sites that test your Web site in various browsers.
> You
> may have heard about them already.
>
> They were recently reviewed in MakeUseOf.com.
>
> One is www.browsershots.org.
>
> Here you type in your URL to be tested, check the browser versions you
> want
> (includes IE , and the request is sent to its network of computers, and
> the
> screen shot of your home page is uploaded within a few minutes in the
> browser
> versions you requested.
>
> I tried my site, but it looked like there were various uploading
> errors...the IE 8 version home page had some elements missing, but the
> rest
> looked OK. Not sure exactly why those elements were missing...could be
> the
> browser version, or something else.
>
> The other testing site is described at
> http://www.makeuseof.com:80/tag/ietester/.
>
> This one actually emulates each IE browser version (including IE 8 beta
> 2).
> However, you have to download a 24 MB software (free) to try it. With my
> slow dial-up connection, that would take hours. (Don't ask!) The site is
> an
> alpha version, and many functions aren't working yet. Not sure how useful
> it
> would be, but maybe someone with a high speed connection might want to try
> it
> out.
>
> Will stay tuned for further developments.
> --
> Liz4.0
>
>
> "Liz" wrote:
>
>> Hi, David,
>>
>> Thanks for the comments and encouragement. I'm usually not so negative,
>> but
>> when you're responsible for keeping a site up and running for someone
>> else,
>> these "small challenges" can be quite annoying indeed.
>>
>> I guess I just get nervous when some technical change I have no control
>> over
>> threatens to make my site unviewable to some. I'm sure it will
>> eventually
>> work out somehow. I do enjoy the challenge of learning new things, so am
>> keeping my hopes up and fingers crossed.
>>
>> Re PayPal -- yes, I did have PayPal on the site for awhile. It was for a
>> special seminar series that is over now, so the PayPal function for
>> paying
>> the seminar fee is no longer needed. It worked just fine, and I'm glad
>> to
>> have learned about it for whenever I need it again.
>>
>> I also taught myself how to create a working Publisher form with
>> responses
>> sent by e-mail with that seminar. That particular challenge was
>> especially
>> satisfying to work out successfully.
>>
>> Will be eagerly awaiting your IE 8 experiment results.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>> --
>> Liz4.0
>>
>>
>> "DavidF" wrote:
>>
>> > Liz,
>> >
>> > I like your analogy, but choose to look at it in another way. Part of
>> > what I
>> > enjoy about building websites is the need to get creative and find
>> > solutions
>> > for the changes. That is part of the reason I stay involved in the
>> > newsgroup. I like learning new ways of doing things, even though it can
>> > be a
>> > bit disconcerting at first when they "moved the cheese".
>> >
>> > I did download IE8 beta 2 the other day and hope to install it on a
>> > test
>> > partition this weekend. If so, I will let you know how your site looks.
>> > I am
>> > confident that we will find ways of getting Pub webs to view ok in IE8.
>> >
>> > As per your site, I like it. I think it illustrates that you can build
>> > a
>> > good looking, functional and cross browser compatible site with
>> > Publisher.
>> >
>> > Didn't you use to have a PayPal feature?
>> >
>> > DavidF
>> >
>> > "Liz" <liz DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1DEE0850-6BD4-42AE-B982-4D1F1F8C85C1@microsoft.com...
>> > > David,
>> > >
>> > > This sounds like a computer technology version of "who moved my
>> > > cheese"?
>> > > Just when you begin to feel halfway comfortable with the way things
>> > > work,
>> > > the
>> > > powers that be decide to change the parameters, and you have to find
>> > > new
>> > > solutions. The result is that you can never really feel you've got a
>> > > handle
>> > > on anything for very long. <sigh> I guess that true of most things
>> > > in
>> > > life,
>> > > though.
>> > >
>> > > Well, enough philosophical musings...back to practical matters.
>> > >
>> > > Hope you can load IE 8 soon. Whenever you do, or if someone else out
>> > > there
>> > > already has IE 8 beta 2 and wants a Publisher 2007 site out there to
>> > > test
>> > > with the compatibility button, be my guest: www.nflaace.org.
>> > >
>> > > It's a work in progress, I grant you, so go easy on me. Just please
>> > > post
>> > > back with the results -- did the site look scrambled to you? If so,
>> > > did
>> > > the
>> > > compatibility button make a difference?
>> > >
>> > > Will stay tuned. Thanks again for your help.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Liz4.0
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "DavidF" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Liz,
>> > >>
>> > >> Darn. I had hoped to at least confirm that the compatibility mode in
>> > >> the
>> > >> IE8
>> > >> beta would work with Pub webs.
>> > >>
>> > >> As I suggested, I doubt that just inserting that code snippet into
>> > >> the
>> > >> body
>> > >> of a Pub web will fix the issue, and to get at the Head, you need to
>> > >> edit
>> > >> the html code directly. While I would rather see a patch to
>> > >> Publisher
>> > >> that
>> > >> automagically incorporates this into Pub pages, I doubt that we will
>> > >> be
>> > >> able
>> > >> to wait for MSFT to offer the patch. I am also guessing that we will
>> > >> be
>> > >> able
>> > >> to use replaceinfile much as we do to add centering code, since it
>> > >> is
>> > >> just
>> > >> one line, but I just don't have the time to test it right now. Plus
>> > >> that
>> > >> will not be a fix for the average Publisher user anyway.
>> > >>
>> > >> I will plan on downloading and installing IE8 beta on a test
>> > >> partition
>> > >> and
>> > >> test as I get time. In the meantime, please post any additional
>> > >> information
>> > >> you might uncover.
>> > >>
>> > >> On a more positive note...sort of...there is going to be a lot of
>> > >> pages
>> > >> that
>> > >> break in IE8, not just Publisher pages. That means at least the
>> > >> people
>> > >> that
>> > >> use IE8 will already be aware of the problem, and won't necessarily
>> > >> move
>> > >> on
>> > >> from your site without trying the compatibility mode. Let's just
>> > >> hope
>> > >> that
>> > >> Pub sites render ok in compatibility mode...
>> > >>
>> > >> DavidF
>> > >>
>> > >> "Liz" <liz DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > >> news:9800C0BF-50BC-44BE-9FE5-D2F9E45D3725@microsoft.com...
>> > >> > Hi, David,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sorry, no -- I haven't installed IE 8 as yet. I'd rather learn
>> > >> > from
>> > >> > others
>> > >> > who do the first adapting! I only read about the IE 8
>> > >> > compatibility
>> > >> > button
>> > >> > on the IE 8 beta site at MS, but haven't actually used it.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > But as a Web site developer (sounds so pretentious for what I do),
>> > >> > I'd
>> > >> > like
>> > >> > to be able to fix the issue at my Web site, and not depend on
>> > >> > viewers
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > push
>> > >> > that button if they see scrambles instead of the correct site.
>> > >> > Could
>> > >> > lose
>> > >> > more than a few visitors that way.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks for the instructions on testing the compatibility code with
>> > >> > Publisher, when the time comes.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Maybe there's someone out there who has tested all this with IE 8,
>> > >> > and
>> > >> > is
>> > >> > willing to share experiences. Personally, I'm not ready to give
>> > >> > up my
>> > >> > IE
>> > >> > 7
>> > >> > for a beta yet, esp. one with compatibility issues. Just
>> > >> > conservative,
>> > >> > I
>> > >> > guess.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Will continue to follow this and other similiar threads on this
>> > >> > forum
>> > >> > for
>> > >> > latest developments. Have always found great advice here whenever
>> > >> > I
>> > >> > needed
>> > >> > it.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks again.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > Liz4.0
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "DavidF" wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Hi Liz,
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Thanks for the post, as this subject is of concern to everyone
>> > >> >> that
>> > >> >> uses
>> > >> >> Publisher for webs.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Are you saying that if you view your Pub site in compatibility
>> > >> >> mode in
>> > >> >> IE8
>> > >> >> beta, that the site renders correctly? That alone would be good
>> > >> >> news.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> As per the information about the quick fix, as I understand it
>> > >> >> that
>> > >> >> code
>> > >> >> snippet must be placed in the Head section, and you cannot access
>> > >> >> the
>> > >> >> Head
>> > >> >> via the insert html code fragment feature....but,
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Try going to Insert > html code fragment and pasting the snippet
>> > >> >> into
>> > >> >> the
>> > >> >> code fragment box:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7"/>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Then put the box somewhere near the top of your page and test the
>> > >> >> page
>> > >> >> in
>> > >> >> IE8 and see if by some chance it does fix the problem. I doubt
>> > >> >> that it
>> > >> >> will,
>> > >> >> but it is a quick test. Let us know. I would do it myself, but I
>> > >> >> have
>> > >> >> not
>> > >> >> installed IE8.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> DavidF
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> "Liz" <liz DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > >> >> news:D2299FB6-8DD0-48F0-8864-877BAC1CF6CC@microsoft.com...
>> > >> >> > Hi, Everyone,
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > (Sorry if this is a repeat...tried to post this before but got
>> > >> >> > no
>> > >> >> > confirmation screen.)
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > I'm a small Web site developer and maintainer for a non-profit,
>> > >> >> > using
>> > >> >> > Publisher 2007. Have also been concerned about IE 8
>> > >> >> > compatibility
>> > >> >> > issues.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > In addition to the Compatibility Button included in IE 8 beta 2
>> > >> >> > (applied
>> > >> >> > on
>> > >> >> > a site by site basis), there are also other site developer
>> > >> >> > fixes at
>> > >> >> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc817570.aspx.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > One of the quick fixes suggested is to add a code snippet to
>> > >> >> > your
>> > >> >> > Publisher
>> > >> >> > 2007 Web site. Other suggestions are too complex for me.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > I'm not a coder, and rely on Publisher to generate most of the
>> > >> >> > code
>> > >> >> > for
>> > >> >> > me.
>> > >> >> > Can someone who knows more about this than I do, please help me
>> > >> >> > with
>> > >> >> > simple
>> > >> >> > step by step specifics of how and where to add this code
>> > >> >> > snippet?
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > I assume you use the Insert Code function, but where, and how
>> > >> >> > often?
>> > >> >> > I
>> > >> >> > read
>> > >> >> > the MS instructions, but still need more specifics.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Has anyone tried this, and with what results?
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Also, would this code snippet affect how Publisher 2007 sites
>> > >> >> > are
>> > >> >> > viewed
>> > >> >> > by
>> > >> >> > FireFox and others?
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Any help greatly appreciated.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > (And no, I really, really don't want to switch to another Web
>> > >> >> > site
>> > >> >> > software,
>> > >> >> > and start the learning curve all over again. It took too much
>> > >> >> > time
>> > >> >> > and
>> > >> >> > effort to get where I am today at a moderate competence level
>> > >> >> > with
>> > >> >> > Publisher
>> > >> >> > 2007.)
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Thanks!
>> > >> >> > --
>> > >> >> > Liz4.0
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> I think that since IE8 is in beta, by definition it is not in
>> > >> >> >> the
>> > >> >> >> final
>> > >> >> >> release form and will be updated. Whether its final form will
>> > >> >> >> work
>> > >> >> >> well
>> > >> >> >> with
>> > >> >> >> Publisher and other "non-standards compliant" webs will be
>> > >> >> >> unknown
>> > >> >> >> until
>> > >> >> >> that time. There are lots of web sites that are not "standards
>> > >> >> >> compliant"
>> > >> >> >> besides Publisher webs, and whether IE8 will render those
>> > >> >> >> sites
>> > >> >> >> correctly
>> > >> >> >> or
>> > >> >> >> not will be seen when it is out of beta. That is the whole
>> > >> >> >> idea
>> > >> >> >> behind
>> > >> >> >> Compatibility View as I understand it. Publisher may not need
>> > >> >> >> to be
>> > >> >> >> changed
>> > >> >> >> for the Publisher webs to work correctly in IE8.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Whether Publisher will updated to produce more "standards
>> > >> >> >> compliant"
>> > >> >> >> code
>> > >> >> >> is
>> > >> >> >> a different question. MSFT has put most of their resources
>> > >> >> >> into
>> > >> >> >> developing
>> > >> >> >> and improving Web Expression as their standards compliant web
>> > >> >> >> editor,
>> > >> >> >> and
>> > >> >> >> improving other Office programs. Publisher has not been given
>> > >> >> >> much
>> > >> >> >> attention
>> > >> >> >> since Office 2007 was released. SP1 made only minor changes,
>> > >> >> >> and it
>> > >> >> >> is
>> > >> >> >> unknown at this time just what all the Office 2007 SP2 will
>> > >> >> >> change.
>> > >> >> >> I
>> > >> >> >> haven't heard of any new versions to be released in the near
>> > >> >> >> future.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> And whether Publisher produces code that works in FireFox is
>> > >> >> >> yet
>> > >> >> >> another
>> > >> >> >> question. It already does. There are some things that you
>> > >> >> >> cannot do
>> > >> >> >> in

Hi, David,

Yes, I'm still here and still worried!

From what you discovered in your latest version IE 8 test, I "think" my
Publisher 2007-produced Web site will be OK re the nav bars.

However, since I have no good way to test my site at present, if you have a
moment, could you please do me a wee favor and dial up www.nflaace.org to see
how it renders?

Would help banish the computer nightmares a bit if you would.

And, perhaps help others who used Publisher 2007 to produce a site with or
without wizard nav bars.

My appreciation for any help.

Liz
--
Liz4.0


"DavidF" wrote:

> Hi Liz,
>
> I don't know if you are still monitoring this thread or not. I got busy with
> other projects and didn't get around to testing until yesterday. MSFT
> released IE8 RC1, and I downloaded and installed it on a test partition. The
> browsershots web page does reflect the major issue with Pub webs viewed with
> IE8.
>
> At this point it appears that the major problem with viewing Publisher 2003
> and 2007 webs with IE8 is the wizard built navbars are not rendered. And
> viewing the site in compatibility mode does not make any difference. However
> that seems to be the only problem reported thus far, and that I can see from
> my limited testing. Publisher 2000 navbars don't seem to be affected and
> those pages load ok in IE8.
>
> Until this gets sorted out, the only workaround I know of is to use a
> manually built navbar, or a textual navbar instead of the wizard built one.
> One thing I haven't yet tested is to ungroup the navbar from the wizard, to
> see if that makes any difference. I have asked another user to test this,
> and I will also as time permits.
>
> Stay tuned...
>
> DavidF
>
> "Liz" <liz.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3AAFB91D-900B-49CA-B145-0CFA5E4D5518@microsoft.com...
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Just came across two sites that test your Web site in various browsers.
> > You
> > may have heard about them already.
> >
> > They were recently reviewed in MakeUseOf.com.
> >
> > One is www.browsershots.org.
> >
> > Here you type in your URL to be tested, check the browser versions you
> > want
> > (includes IE , and the request is sent to its network of computers, and
> > the
> > screen shot of your home page is uploaded within a few minutes in the
> > browser
> > versions you requested.
> >
> > I tried my site, but it looked like there were various uploading
> > errors...the IE 8 version home page had some elements missing, but the
> > rest
> > looked OK. Not sure exactly why those elements were missing...could be
> > the
> > browser version, or something else.
> >
> > The other testing site is described at
> > http://www.makeuseof.com:80/tag/ietester/.
> >
> > This one actually emulates each IE browser version (including IE 8 beta
> > 2).
> > However, you have to download a 24 MB software (free) to try it. With my
> > slow dial-up connection, that would take hours. (Don't ask!) The site is
> > an
> > alpha version, and many functions aren't working yet. Not sure how useful
> > it
> > would be, but maybe someone with a high speed connection might want to try
> > it
> > out.
> >
> > Will stay tuned for further developments.
> > --
> > Liz4.0
> >
> >
> > "Liz" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, David,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the comments and encouragement. I'm usually not so negative,
> >> but
> >> when you're responsible for keeping a site up and running for someone
> >> else,
> >> these "small challenges" can be quite annoying indeed.
> >>
> >> I guess I just get nervous when some technical change I have no control
> >> over
> >> threatens to make my site unviewable to some. I'm sure it will
> >> eventually
> >> work out somehow. I do enjoy the challenge of learning new things, so am
> >> keeping my hopes up and fingers crossed.
> >>
> >> Re PayPal -- yes, I did have PayPal on the site for awhile. It was for a
> >> special seminar series that is over now, so the PayPal function for
> >> paying
> >> the seminar fee is no longer needed. It worked just fine, and I'm glad
> >> to
> >> have learned about it for whenever I need it again.
> >>
> >> I also taught myself how to create a working Publisher form with
> >> responses
> >> sent by e-mail with that seminar. That particular challenge was
> >> especially
> >> satisfying to work out successfully.
> >>
> >> Will be eagerly awaiting your IE 8 experiment results.
> >>
> >> Thanks again.
> >> --
> >> Liz4.0
> >>
> >>
> >> "DavidF" wrote:
> >>
> >> > Liz,
> >> >
> >> > I like your analogy, but choose to look at it in another way. Part of
> >> > what I
> >> > enjoy about building websites is the need to get creative and find
> >> > solutions
> >> > for the changes. That is part of the reason I stay involved in the
> >> > newsgroup. I like learning new ways of doing things, even though it can
> >> > be a
> >> > bit disconcerting at first when they "moved the cheese".
> >> >
> >> > I did download IE8 beta 2 the other day and hope to install it on a
> >> > test
> >> > partition this weekend. If so, I will let you know how your site looks.
> >> > I am
> >> > confident that we will find ways of getting Pub webs to view ok in IE8.
> >> >
> >> > As per your site, I like it. I think it illustrates that you can build
> >> > a
> >> > good looking, functional and cross browser compatible site with
> >> > Publisher.
> >> >
> >> > Didn't you use to have a PayPal feature?
> >> >
> >> > DavidF
> >> >
> >> > "Liz" <liz.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1DEE0850-6BD4-42AE-B982-4D1F1F8C85C1@microsoft.com...
> >> > > David,
> >> > >
> >> > > This sounds like a computer technology version of "who moved my
> >> > > cheese"?
> >> > > Just when you begin to feel halfway comfortable with the way things
> >> > > work,
> >> > > the
> >> > > powers that be decide to change the parameters, and you have to find
> >> > > new
> >> > > solutions. The result is that you can never really feel you've got a
> >> > > handle
> >> > > on anything for very long. <sigh> I guess that true of most things
> >> > > in
> >> > > life,
> >> > > though.
> >> > >
> >> > > Well, enough philosophical musings...back to practical matters.
> >> > >
> >> > > Hope you can load IE 8 soon. Whenever you do, or if someone else out
> >> > > there
> >> > > already has IE 8 beta 2 and wants a Publisher 2007 site out there to
> >> > > test
> >> > > with the compatibility button, be my guest: www.nflaace.org.
> >> > >
> >> > > It's a work in progress, I grant you, so go easy on me. Just please
> >> > > post
> >> > > back with the results -- did the site look scrambled to you? If so,
> >> > > did
> >> > > the
> >> > > compatibility button make a difference?
> >> > >
> >> > > Will stay tuned. Thanks again for your help.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Liz4.0
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "DavidF" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Liz,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Darn. I had hoped to at least confirm that the compatibility mode in
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> IE8
> >> > >> beta would work with Pub webs.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> As I suggested, I doubt that just inserting that code snippet into
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> body
> >> > >> of a Pub web will fix the issue, and to get at the Head, you need to
> >> > >> edit
> >> > >> the html code directly. While I would rather see a patch to
> >> > >> Publisher
> >> > >> that
> >> > >> automagically incorporates this into Pub pages, I doubt that we will
> >> > >> be
> >> > >> able
> >> > >> to wait for MSFT to offer the patch. I am also guessing that we will
> >> > >> be
> >> > >> able
> >> > >> to use replaceinfile much as we do to add centering code, since it
> >> > >> is
> >> > >> just
> >> > >> one line, but I just don't have the time to test it right now. Plus
> >> > >> that
> >> > >> will not be a fix for the average Publisher user anyway.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I will plan on downloading and installing IE8 beta on a test
> >> > >> partition
> >> > >> and
> >> > >> test as I get time. In the meantime, please post any additional
> >> > >> information
> >> > >> you might uncover.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On a more positive note...sort of...there is going to be a lot of
> >> > >> pages
> >> > >> that
> >> > >> break in IE8, not just Publisher pages. That means at least the
> >> > >> people
> >> > >> that
> >> > >> use IE8 will already be aware of the problem, and won't necessarily
> >> > >> move
> >> > >> on
> >> > >> from your site without trying the compatibility mode. Let's just
> >> > >> hope
> >> > >> that
> >> > >> Pub sites render ok in compatibility mode...
> >> > >>
> >> > >> DavidF
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Liz" <liz.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:9800C0BF-50BC-44BE-9FE5-D2F9E45D3725@microsoft.com...
> >> > >> > Hi, David,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Sorry, no -- I haven't installed IE 8 as yet. I'd rather learn
> >> > >> > from
> >> > >> > others
> >> > >> > who do the first adapting! I only read about the IE 8
> >> > >> > compatibility
> >> > >> > button
> >> > >> > on the IE 8 beta site at MS, but haven't actually used it.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > But as a Web site developer (sounds so pretentious for what I do),
> >> > >> > I'd
> >> > >> > like
> >> > >> > to be able to fix the issue at my Web site, and not depend on
> >> > >> > viewers
> >> > >> > to
> >> > >> > push
> >> > >> > that button if they see scrambles instead of the correct site.
> >> > >> > Could
> >> > >> > lose
> >> > >> > more than a few visitors that way.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks for the instructions on testing the compatibility code with
> >> > >> > Publisher, when the time comes.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Maybe there's someone out there who has tested all this with IE 8,
> >> > >> > and
> >> > >> > is
> >> > >> > willing to share experiences. Personally, I'm not ready to give
> >> > >> > up my
> >> > >> > IE
> >> > >> > 7
> >> > >> > for a beta yet, esp. one with compatibility issues. Just
> >> > >> > conservative,
> >> > >> > I
> >> > >> > guess.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Will continue to follow this and other similiar threads on this
> >> > >> > forum
> >> > >> > for
> >> > >> > latest developments. Have always found great advice here whenever
> >> > >> > I
> >> > >> > needed
> >> > >> > it.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks again.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > --
> >> > >> > Liz4.0
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "DavidF" wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> Hi Liz,
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Thanks for the post, as this subject is of concern to everyone
> >> > >> >> that
> >> > >> >> uses
> >> > >> >> Publisher for webs.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Are you saying that if you view your Pub site in compatibility
> >> > >> >> mode in
> >> > >> >> IE8
> >> > >> >> beta, that the site renders correctly? That alone would be good
> >> > >> >> news.