Publisher 2007 incompatability with IE8

Liz,

I am sorry. Yes, your site is just fine. It was the second one I tested
after mine . The fact that you use a textual menu means the navbar works
just fine. You can breathe easy...

DavidF

"Liz" <liz RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E46290FA-DD09-4380-945C-FAEBB0D5D36C@microsoft.com...
> Hi, David,
>
> Yes, I'm still here and still worried!
>
> From what you discovered in your latest version IE 8 test, I "think" my
> Publisher 2007-produced Web site will be OK re the nav bars.
>
> However, since I have no good way to test my site at present, if you have
> a
> moment, could you please do me a wee favor and dial up www.nflaace.org to
> see
> how it renders?
>
> Would help banish the computer nightmares a bit if you would.
>
> And, perhaps help others who used Publisher 2007 to produce a site with or
> without wizard nav bars.
>
> My appreciation for any help.
>
> Liz
> --
> Liz4.0
>
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> I don't know if you are still monitoring this thread or not. I got busy
>> with
>> other projects and didn't get around to testing until yesterday. MSFT
>> released IE8 RC1, and I downloaded and installed it on a test partition.
>> The
>> browsershots web page does reflect the major issue with Pub webs viewed
>> with
>> IE8.
>>
>> At this point it appears that the major problem with viewing Publisher
>> 2003
>> and 2007 webs with IE8 is the wizard built navbars are not rendered. And
>> viewing the site in compatibility mode does not make any difference.
>> However
>> that seems to be the only problem reported thus far, and that I can see
>> from
>> my limited testing. Publisher 2000 navbars don't seem to be affected and
>> those pages load ok in IE8.
>>
>> Until this gets sorted out, the only workaround I know of is to use a
>> manually built navbar, or a textual navbar instead of the wizard built
>> one.
>> One thing I haven't yet tested is to ungroup the navbar from the wizard,
>> to
>> see if that makes any difference. I have asked another user to test this,
>> and I will also as time permits.
>>
>> Stay tuned...
>>
>> DavidF
>>
>> "Liz" <liz RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:3AAFB91D-900B-49CA-B145-0CFA5E4D5518@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > Just came across two sites that test your Web site in various browsers.
>> > You
>> > may have heard about them already.
>> >
>> > They were recently reviewed in MakeUseOf.com.
>> >
>> > One is www.browsershots.org.
>> >
>> > Here you type in your URL to be tested, check the browser versions you
>> > want
>> > (includes IE , and the request is sent to its network of computers,
>> > and
>> > the
>> > screen shot of your home page is uploaded within a few minutes in the
>> > browser
>> > versions you requested.
>> >
>> > I tried my site, but it looked like there were various uploading
>> > errors...the IE 8 version home page had some elements missing, but the
>> > rest
>> > looked OK. Not sure exactly why those elements were missing...could be
>> > the
>> > browser version, or something else.
>> >
>> > The other testing site is described at
>> > http://www.makeuseof.com:80/tag/ietester/.
>> >
>> > This one actually emulates each IE browser version (including IE 8 beta
>> > 2).
>> > However, you have to download a 24 MB software (free) to try it. With
>> > my
>> > slow dial-up connection, that would take hours. (Don't ask!) The site
>> > is
>> > an
>> > alpha version, and many functions aren't working yet. Not sure how
>> > useful
>> > it
>> > would be, but maybe someone with a high speed connection might want to
>> > try
>> > it
>> > out.
>> >
>> > Will stay tuned for further developments.
>> > --
>> > Liz4.0
>> >
>> >
>> > "Liz" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi, David,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the comments and encouragement. I'm usually not so
>> >> negative,
>> >> but
>> >> when you're responsible for keeping a site up and running for someone
>> >> else,
>> >> these "small challenges" can be quite annoying indeed.
>> >>
>> >> I guess I just get nervous when some technical change I have no
>> >> control
>> >> over
>> >> threatens to make my site unviewable to some. I'm sure it will
>> >> eventually
>> >> work out somehow. I do enjoy the challenge of learning new things, so
>> >> am
>> >> keeping my hopes up and fingers crossed.
>> >>
>> >> Re PayPal -- yes, I did have PayPal on the site for awhile. It was
>> >> for a
>> >> special seminar series that is over now, so the PayPal function for
>> >> paying
>> >> the seminar fee is no longer needed. It worked just fine, and I'm
>> >> glad
>> >> to
>> >> have learned about it for whenever I need it again.
>> >>
>> >> I also taught myself how to create a working Publisher form with
>> >> responses
>> >> sent by e-mail with that seminar. That particular challenge was
>> >> especially
>> >> satisfying to work out successfully.
>> >>
>> >> Will be eagerly awaiting your IE 8 experiment results.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks again.
>> >> --
>> >> Liz4.0
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DavidF" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Liz,
>> >> >
>> >> > I like your analogy, but choose to look at it in another way. Part
>> >> > of
>> >> > what I
>> >> > enjoy about building websites is the need to get creative and find
>> >> > solutions
>> >> > for the changes. That is part of the reason I stay involved in the
>> >> > newsgroup. I like learning new ways of doing things, even though it
>> >> > can
>> >> > be a
>> >> > bit disconcerting at first when they "moved the cheese".
>> >> >
>> >> > I did download IE8 beta 2 the other day and hope to install it on a
>> >> > test
>> >> > partition this weekend. If so, I will let you know how your site
>> >> > looks.
>> >> > I am
>> >> > confident that we will find ways of getting Pub webs to view ok in
>> >> > IE8.
>> >> >
>> >> > As per your site, I like it. I think it illustrates that you can
>> >> > build
>> >> > a
>> >> > good looking, functional and cross browser compatible site with
>> >> > Publisher.
>> >> >
>> >> > Didn't you use to have a PayPal feature?
>> >> >
>> >> > DavidF
>> >> >
>> >> > "Liz" <liz RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:1DEE0850-6BD4-42AE-B982-4D1F1F8C85C1@microsoft.com...
>> >> > > David,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This sounds like a computer technology version of "who moved my
>> >> > > cheese"?
>> >> > > Just when you begin to feel halfway comfortable with the way
>> >> > > things
>> >> > > work,
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > powers that be decide to change the parameters, and you have to
>> >> > > find
>> >> > > new
>> >> > > solutions. The result is that you can never really feel you've
>> >> > > got a
>> >> > > handle
>> >> > > on anything for very long. <sigh> I guess that true of most
>> >> > > things
>> >> > > in
>> >> > > life,
>> >> > > though.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Well, enough philosophical musings...back to practical matters.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hope you can load IE 8 soon. Whenever you do, or if someone else
>> >> > > out
>> >> > > there
>> >> > > already has IE 8 beta 2 and wants a Publisher 2007 site out there
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > test
>> >> > > with the compatibility button, be my guest: www.nflaace.org.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > It's a work in progress, I grant you, so go easy on me. Just
>> >> > > please
>> >> > > post
>> >> > > back with the results -- did the site look scrambled to you? If
>> >> > > so,
>> >> > > did
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > compatibility button make a difference?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Will stay tuned. Thanks again for your help.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Liz4.0
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "DavidF" wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Liz,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Darn. I had hoped to at least confirm that the compatibility mode
>> >> > >> in
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> IE8
>> >> > >> beta would work with Pub webs.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> As I suggested, I doubt that just inserting that code snippet
>> >> > >> into
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> body
>> >> > >> of a Pub web will fix the issue, and to get at the Head, you need
>> >> > >> to
>> >> > >> edit
>> >> > >> the html code directly. While I would rather see a patch to
>> >> > >> Publisher
>> >> > >> that
>> >> > >> automagically incorporates this into Pub pages, I doubt that we
>> >> > >> will
>> >> > >> be
>> >> > >> able
>> >> > >> to wait for MSFT to offer the patch. I am also guessing that we
>> >> > >> will
>> >> > >> be
>> >> > >> able
>> >> > >> to use replaceinfile much as we do to add centering code, since
>> >> > >> it
>> >> > >> is
>> >> > >> just
>> >> > >> one line, but I just don't have the time to test it right now.
>> >> > >> Plus
>> >> > >> that
>> >> > >> will not be a fix for the average Publisher user anyway.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I will plan on downloading and installing IE8 beta on a test
>> >> > >> partition
>> >> > >> and
>> >> > >> test as I get time. In the meantime, please post any additional
>> >> > >> information
>> >> > >> you might uncover.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On a more positive note...sort of...there is going to be a lot of
>> >> > >> pages
>> >> > >> that
>> >> > >> break in IE8, not just Publisher pages. That means at least the
>> >> > >> people
>> >> > >> that
>> >> > >> use IE8 will already be aware of the problem, and won't
>> >> > >> necessarily
>> >> > >> move
>> >> > >> on
>> >> > >> from your site without trying the compatibility mode. Let's just
>> >> > >> hope
>> >> > >> that
>> >> > >> Pub sites render ok in compatibility mode...
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> DavidF
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "Liz" <liz RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> > >> news:9800C0BF-50BC-44BE-9FE5-D2F9E45D3725@microsoft.com...
>> >> > >> > Hi, David,
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Sorry, no -- I haven't installed IE 8 as yet. I'd rather learn
>> >> > >> > from
>> >> > >> > others
>> >> > >> > who do the first adapting! I only read about the IE 8
>> >> > >> > compatibility
>> >> > >> > button
>> >> > >> > on the IE 8 beta site at MS, but haven't actually used it.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > But as a Web site developer (sounds so pretentious for what I
>> >> > >> > do),
>> >> > >> > I'd
>> >> > >> > like
>> >> > >> > to be able to fix the issue at my Web site, and not depend on
>> >> > >> > viewers
>> >> > >> > to
>> >> > >> > push
>> >> > >> > that button if they see scrambles instead of the correct site.
>> >> > >> > Could
>> >> > >> > lose
>> >> > >> > more than a few visitors that way.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Thanks for the instructions on testing the compatibility code
>> >> > >> > with
>> >> > >> > Publisher, when the time comes.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Maybe there's someone out there who has tested all this with IE
>> >> > >> > 8,
>> >> > >> > and
>> >> > >> > is
>> >> > >> > willing to share experiences. Personally, I'm not ready to
>> >> > >> > give
>> >> > >> > up my
>> >> > >> > IE
>> >> > >> > 7
>> >> > >> > for a beta yet, esp. one with compatibility issues. Just
>> >> > >> > conservative,
>> >> > >> > I
>> >> > >> > guess.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Will continue to follow this and other similiar threads on this
>> >> > >> > forum
>> >> > >> > for
>> >> > >> > latest developments. Have always found great advice here
>> >> > >> > whenever
>> >> > >> > I
>> >> > >> > needed
>> >> > >> > it.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Thanks again.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > --
>> >> > >> > Liz4.0
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > "DavidF" wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >> Hi Liz,
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Thanks for the post, as this subject is of concern to everyone
>> >> > >> >> that
>> >> > >> >> uses
>> >> > >> >> Publisher for webs.
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Are you saying that if you view your Pub site in compatibility
>> >> > >> >> mode in
>> >> > >> >> IE8
>> >> > >> >> beta, that the site renders correctly? That alone would be
>> >> > >> >> good
>> >> > >> >> news.

David,

My blood pressure just went down about 20 points.

Thanks for testing my site and letting me know it's OK. I wasn't too
concerned about the nav bars, but was a bit worried about the part of each
page that is on a master page -- mostly the top logo and title design
sections that are constant on all pages.

I know, I know...master pages are not recommended. But my site has never
had any troubles with it before, and I hoped it wouldn't make a difference in
IE 8 either.

Well, until my next Publisher Web site challenge, bye for now. Your kind
assistance is always greatly appreciated. Always learning, forever grateful.
--
Liz4.0


"DavidF" wrote:

> Liz,
>
> I am sorry. Yes, your site is just fine. It was the second one I tested
> after mine . The fact that you use a textual menu means the navbar works
> just fine. You can breathe easy...
>
> DavidF
>
> "Liz" <liz RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E46290FA-DD09-4380-945C-FAEBB0D5D36C@microsoft.com...
> > Hi, David,
> >
> > Yes, I'm still here and still worried!
> >
> > From what you discovered in your latest version IE 8 test, I "think" my
> > Publisher 2007-produced Web site will be OK re the nav bars.
> >
> > However, since I have no good way to test my site at present, if you have
> > a
> > moment, could you please do me a wee favor and dial up www.nflaace.org to
> > see
> > how it renders?
> >
> > Would help banish the computer nightmares a bit if you would.
> >
> > And, perhaps help others who used Publisher 2007 to produce a site with or
> > without wizard nav bars.
> >
> > My appreciation for any help.
> >
> > Liz
> > --
> > Liz4.0
> >
> >
> > "DavidF" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Liz,
> >>
> >> I don't know if you are still monitoring this thread or not. I got busy
> >> with
> >> other projects and didn't get around to testing until yesterday. MSFT
> >> released IE8 RC1, and I downloaded and installed it on a test partition.
> >> The
> >> browsershots web page does reflect the major issue with Pub webs viewed
> >> with
> >> IE8.
> >>
> >> At this point it appears that the major problem with viewing Publisher
> >> 2003
> >> and 2007 webs with IE8 is the wizard built navbars are not rendered. And
> >> viewing the site in compatibility mode does not make any difference.
> >> However
> >> that seems to be the only problem reported thus far, and that I can see
> >> from
> >> my limited testing. Publisher 2000 navbars don't seem to be affected and
> >> those pages load ok in IE8.
> >>
> >> Until this gets sorted out, the only workaround I know of is to use a
> >> manually built navbar, or a textual navbar instead of the wizard built
> >> one.
> >> One thing I haven't yet tested is to ungroup the navbar from the wizard,
> >> to
> >> see if that makes any difference. I have asked another user to test this,
> >> and I will also as time permits.
> >>
> >> Stay tuned...
> >>
> >> DavidF
> >>
> >> "Liz" <liz RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:3AAFB91D-900B-49CA-B145-0CFA5E4D5518@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi everyone,
> >> >
> >> > Just came across two sites that test your Web site in various browsers.
> >> > You
> >> > may have heard about them already.
> >> >
> >> > They were recently reviewed in MakeUseOf.com.
> >> >
> >> > One is www.browsershots.org.
> >> >
> >> > Here you type in your URL to be tested, check the browser versions you
> >> > want
> >> > (includes IE , and the request is sent to its network of computers,
> >> > and
> >> > the
> >> > screen shot of your home page is uploaded within a few minutes in the
> >> > browser
> >> > versions you requested.
> >> >
> >> > I tried my site, but it looked like there were various uploading
> >> > errors...the IE 8 version home page had some elements missing, but the
> >> > rest
> >> > looked OK. Not sure exactly why those elements were missing...could be
> >> > the
> >> > browser version, or something else.
> >> >
> >> > The other testing site is described at
> >> > http://www.makeuseof.com:80/tag/ietester/.
> >> >
> >> > This one actually emulates each IE browser version (including IE 8 beta
> >> > 2).
> >> > However, you have to download a 24 MB software (free) to try it. With
> >> > my
> >> > slow dial-up connection, that would take hours. (Don't ask!) The site
> >> > is
> >> > an
> >> > alpha version, and many functions aren't working yet. Not sure how
> >> > useful
> >> > it
> >> > would be, but maybe someone with a high speed connection might want to
> >> > try
> >> > it
> >> > out.
> >> >
> >> > Will stay tuned for further developments.
> >> > --
> >> > Liz4.0
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Liz" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi, David,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the comments and encouragement. I'm usually not so
> >> >> negative,
> >> >> but
> >> >> when you're responsible for keeping a site up and running for someone
> >> >> else,
> >> >> these "small challenges" can be quite annoying indeed.
> >> >>
> >> >> I guess I just get nervous when some technical change I have no
> >> >> control
> >> >> over
> >> >> threatens to make my site unviewable to some. I'm sure it will
> >> >> eventually
> >> >> work out somehow. I do enjoy the challenge of learning new things, so
> >> >> am
> >> >> keeping my hopes up and fingers crossed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Re PayPal -- yes, I did have PayPal on the site for awhile. It was
> >> >> for a
> >> >> special seminar series that is over now, so the PayPal function for
> >> >> paying
> >> >> the seminar fee is no longer needed. It worked just fine, and I'm
> >> >> glad
> >> >> to
> >> >> have learned about it for whenever I need it again.
> >> >>
> >> >> I also taught myself how to create a working Publisher form with
> >> >> responses
> >> >> sent by e-mail with that seminar. That particular challenge was
> >> >> especially
> >> >> satisfying to work out successfully.
> >> >>
> >> >> Will be eagerly awaiting your IE 8 experiment results.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks again.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Liz4.0
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "DavidF" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Liz,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I like your analogy, but choose to look at it in another way. Part
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > what I
> >> >> > enjoy about building websites is the need to get creative and find
> >> >> > solutions
> >> >> > for the changes. That is part of the reason I stay involved in the
> >> >> > newsgroup. I like learning new ways of doing things, even though it
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > be a
> >> >> > bit disconcerting at first when they "moved the cheese".
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I did download IE8 beta 2 the other day and hope to install it on a
> >> >> > test
> >> >> > partition this weekend. If so, I will let you know how your site
> >> >> > looks.
> >> >> > I am
> >> >> > confident that we will find ways of getting Pub webs to view ok in
> >> >> > IE8.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As per your site, I like it. I think it illustrates that you can
> >> >> > build
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > good looking, functional and cross browser compatible site with
> >> >> > Publisher.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Didn't you use to have a PayPal feature?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > DavidF
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Liz" <liz RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:1DEE0850-6BD4-42AE-B982-4D1F1F8C85C1@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > > David,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > This sounds like a computer technology version of "who moved my
> >> >> > > cheese"?
> >> >> > > Just when you begin to feel halfway comfortable with the way
> >> >> > > things
> >> >> > > work,
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > > powers that be decide to change the parameters, and you have to
> >> >> > > find
> >> >> > > new
> >> >> > > solutions. The result is that you can never really feel you've
> >> >> > > got a
> >> >> > > handle
> >> >> > > on anything for very long. <sigh> I guess that true of most
> >> >> > > things
> >> >> > > in
> >> >> > > life,
> >> >> > > though.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Well, enough philosophical musings...back to practical matters.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Hope you can load IE 8 soon. Whenever you do, or if someone else
> >> >> > > out
> >> >> > > there
> >> >> > > already has IE 8 beta 2 and wants a Publisher 2007 site out there
> >> >> > > to
> >> >> > > test
> >> >> > > with the compatibility button, be my guest: www.nflaace.org.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > It's a work in progress, I grant you, so go easy on me. Just
> >> >> > > please
> >> >> > > post
> >> >> > > back with the results -- did the site look scrambled to you? If
> >> >> > > so,
> >> >> > > did
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > > compatibility button make a difference?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Will stay tuned. Thanks again for your help.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > > Liz4.0
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "DavidF" wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> Liz,
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Darn. I had hoped to at least confirm that the compatibility mode
> >> >> > >> in
> >> >> > >> the
> >> >> > >> IE8
> >> >> > >> beta would work with Pub webs.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> As I suggested, I doubt that just inserting that code snippet
> >> >> > >> into
> >> >> > >> the
> >> >> > >> body
> >> >> > >> of a Pub web will fix the issue, and to get at the Head, you need
> >> >> > >> to
> >> >> > >> edit
> >> >> > >> the html code directly. While I would rather see a patch to
> >> >> > >> Publisher
> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> > >> automagically incorporates this into Pub pages, I doubt that we
> >> >> > >> will
> >> >> > >> be
> >> >> > >> able
> >> >> > >> to wait for MSFT to offer the patch. I am also guessing that we
> >> >> > >> will
> >> >> > >> be
> >> >> > >> able
> >> >> > >> to use replaceinfile much as we do to add centering code, since
> >> >> > >> it
> >> >> > >> is
> >> >> > >> just
> >> >> > >> one line, but I just don't have the time to test it right now.
> >> >> > >> Plus
> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> > >> will not be a fix for the average Publisher user anyway.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> I will plan on downloading and installing IE8 beta on a test
> >> >> > >> partition
> >> >> > >> and
> >> >> > >> test as I get time. In the meantime, please post any additional
> >> >> > >> information
> >> >> > >> you might uncover.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> On a more positive note...sort of...there is going to be a lot of
> >> >> > >> pages
> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> > >> break in IE8, not just Publisher pages. That means at least the
> >> >> > >> people
> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> > >> use IE8 will already be aware of the problem, and won't
> >> >> > >> necessarily
> >> >> > >> move
> >> >> > >> on
> >> >> > >> from your site without trying the compatibility mode. Let's just