(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:36 pm
Post subject: Frustrated, Frontpage compatibility with 3rd party browsers... Archived from groups: microsoft>public>frontpage>programming (more info?)
Website: http://www.mwncov.com/
On the three Lawyers pages I get white space at the bottom of the pages with
Netscape, Opera, Foxfire and Safari browsers. I have tried to eliminating
height in tables, moving all of the tables above the max height of the Banner
Image of 706 px, eliminating as many empty tables as possible, and have had
no luck eliminating the white space. I am at a loss, should I set up
multiple CSS for each browser??? Furthermore, I have nailed it with the Home
and Contact pages as they display no white space. Frustrating my friends...
--
Many Regards and Thank You,
Sixbells
(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Frustrated, Frontpage compatibility with 3rd party browsers... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Add IE8 to list of browsers showing white space under the left column
image.
I suggest that you redo the pages using nested tables, rather than
colspans and rowspans which make debugging difficult. Also try removing
the height attributes from the table cells, and allow the tables and
cells to adopt their "natural" sizes.
The footer copyright message is almost unreadable - the font size is
too small.
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Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (Expression)
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"Sixbells" <Sixbells.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E93EFE01-4800-492E-BAE0-6FAC91BFE0F7@microsoft.com:
> Website: http://www.mwncov.com/ > On the three Lawyers pages I get white space at the bottom of the pages with
> Netscape, Opera, Foxfire and Safari browsers. I have tried to eliminating
> height in tables, moving all of the tables above the max height of the Banner
> Image of 706 px, eliminating as many empty tables as possible, and have had
> no luck eliminating the white space. I am at a loss, should I set up
> multiple CSS for each browser??? Furthermore, I have nailed it with the Home
> and Contact pages as they display no white space. Frustrating my friends...
> --
> Many Regards and Thank You,
> Sixbells
(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Frustrated, Frontpage compatibility with 3rd party browsers... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Sixbells;9207716 Wrote:
> Website: http://www.mwncov.com/ > On the three Lawyers pages I get white space at the bottom of the pages > with
> Netscape, Opera, Foxfire and Safari browsers. I have tried to > eliminating
> height in tables, moving all of the tables above the max height of the > Banner
> Image of 706 px, eliminating as many empty tables as possible, and have > had
> no luck eliminating the white space. I am at a loss, should I set up
> multiple CSS for each browser??? Furthermore, I have nailed it with > the Home
> and Contact pages as they display no white space. Frustrating my > friends...
> --
> Many Regards and Thank You,
> Sixbells
I would use a decent package such as Dreamweaver or if you cant afford
it go for Coffee Cup.
(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Frustrated, Frontpage compatibility with 3rd party browsers... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
and that would fix it, eh?
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression
"tankman" <car.TakeThisOut@car.com> wrote in message
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>
> Sixbells;9207716 Wrote:
>> Website: http://www.mwncov.com/ >> On the three Lawyers pages I get white space at the bottom of the pages
>> with
>> Netscape, Opera, Foxfire and Safari browsers. I have tried to
>> eliminating
>> height in tables, moving all of the tables above the max height of the
>> Banner
>> Image of 706 px, eliminating as many empty tables as possible, and have
>> had
>> no luck eliminating the white space. I am at a loss, should I set up
>> multiple CSS for each browser??? Furthermore, I have nailed it with
>> the Home
>> and Contact pages as they display no white space. Frustrating my
>> friends...
>> --
>> Many Regards and Thank You,
>> Sixbells
>
> I would use a decent package such as Dreamweaver or if you cant afford
> it go for Coffee Cup.
>
>
> --
> tankman
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> tankman's Profile: http://nettechguide.com/forums/member.php?u=30 > View this thread: http://nettechguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2241730 >
(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Frustrated, Frontpage compatibility with 3rd party browsers... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
I will re-write it with nested tables, a good do over usually results in
better code anyway. But one question, when designing the main table just
basically use the Draw Layout Table tool first, the insert tables using the
Draw Table tool? I am a FrontPage guy, have always used it and don't really
want to go through the learning curve of Dreamweaver right now. But thanks
for the reply and input tankman!
--
Many Regards and Thank You,
Sixbells
"Rob Giordano [MS MVP]" wrote:
> and that would fix it, eh?
>
>
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Rob Giordano
> Microsoft MVP Expression
>
>
>
>
>
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> "tankman" <car DeleteThis @car.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Sixbells;9207716 Wrote:
> >> Website: http://www.mwncov.com/ > >> On the three Lawyers pages I get white space at the bottom of the pages
> >> with
> >> Netscape, Opera, Foxfire and Safari browsers. I have tried to
> >> eliminating
> >> height in tables, moving all of the tables above the max height of the
> >> Banner
> >> Image of 706 px, eliminating as many empty tables as possible, and have
> >> had
> >> no luck eliminating the white space. I am at a loss, should I set up
> >> multiple CSS for each browser??? Furthermore, I have nailed it with
> >> the Home
> >> and Contact pages as they display no white space. Frustrating my
> >> friends...
> >> --
> >> Many Regards and Thank You,
> >> Sixbells
> >
> > I would use a decent package such as Dreamweaver or if you cant afford
> > it go for Coffee Cup.
> >
> >
> > --
> > tankman
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > tankman's Profile: http://nettechguide.com/forums/member.php?u=30 > > View this thread: http://nettechguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2241730 > >
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:00 am
Post subject: Re: Frustrated, Frontpage compatibility with 3rd party browsers... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Don't use the draw table tool. That will add height attributes to
everything (tables and table cells) which you will then have to remove.
Use the Table menu: Table->Insert Table
Set the widths of cells using cell properties (right click in a cell,
choose cell properties and set the width), but do not set the height.
Don't add empty table cells (your existing layout has a whole column of
empty cells) - these are ignored by some browsers and only add to code
bloat.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (Expression)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
"Sixbells" <Sixbells.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C83F6B20-598B-49E7-AB6D-DF54F7B6C175@microsoft.com:
> I will re-write it with nested tables, a good do over usually results in
> better code anyway. But one question, when designing the main table just
> basically use the Draw Layout Table tool first, the insert tables using the
> Draw Table tool? I am a FrontPage guy, have always used it and don't really
> want to go through the learning curve of Dreamweaver right now. But thanks
> for the reply and input tankman!
> --
> Many Regards and Thank You,
> Sixbells
>
>
> "Rob Giordano [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
> > and that would fix it, eh?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Rob Giordano
> > Microsoft MVP Expression
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "tankman" <car.TakeThisOut@car.com> wrote in message
> > news:tankman.3h1jnh@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au...
> > >
> > > Sixbells;9207716 Wrote:
> > >> Website: http://www.mwncov.com/ > > >> On the three Lawyers pages I get white space at the bottom of the pages
> > >> with
> > >> Netscape, Opera, Foxfire and Safari browsers. I have tried to
> > >> eliminating
> > >> height in tables, moving all of the tables above the max height of the
> > >> Banner
> > >> Image of 706 px, eliminating as many empty tables as possible, and have
> > >> had
> > >> no luck eliminating the white space. I am at a loss, should I set up
> > >> multiple CSS for each browser??? Furthermore, I have nailed it with
> > >> the Home
> > >> and Contact pages as they display no white space. Frustrating my
> > >> friends...
> > >> --
> > >> Many Regards and Thank You,
> > >> Sixbells
> > >
> > > I would use a decent package such as Dreamweaver or if you cant afford
> > > it go for Coffee Cup.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > tankman
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > tankman's Profile: http://nettechguide.com/forums/member.php?u=30 > > > View this thread: http://nettechguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2241730 > > >
> >
> >
(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:06 am
Post subject: Re: Frustrated, Frontpage compatibility with 3rd party browsers... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
In addition to what Ron says...I'd maybe start with a *copy* of the index
page since that is not having a problem, then empty the contents of the
cells one at a time and replace with the contents you need...might be easier
than starting from scratch for you.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression
"Sixbells" <Sixbells.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C83F6B20-598B-49E7-AB6D-DF54F7B6C175@microsoft.com...
> I will re-write it with nested tables, a good do over usually results in
> better code anyway. But one question, when designing the main table just
> basically use the Draw Layout Table tool first, the insert tables using
> the
> Draw Table tool? I am a FrontPage guy, have always used it and don't
> really
> want to go through the learning curve of Dreamweaver right now. But
> thanks
> for the reply and input tankman!
> --
> Many Regards and Thank You,
> Sixbells
>
>
> "Rob Giordano [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> and that would fix it, eh?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Rob Giordano
>> Microsoft MVP Expression
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "tankman" <car.DeleteThis@car.com> wrote in message
>> news:tankman.3h1jnh@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au...
>> >
>> > Sixbells;9207716 Wrote:
>> >> Website: http://www.mwncov.com/ >> >> On the three Lawyers pages I get white space at the bottom of the
>> >> pages
>> >> with
>> >> Netscape, Opera, Foxfire and Safari browsers. I have tried to
>> >> eliminating
>> >> height in tables, moving all of the tables above the max height of the
>> >> Banner
>> >> Image of 706 px, eliminating as many empty tables as possible, and
>> >> have
>> >> had
>> >> no luck eliminating the white space. I am at a loss, should I set up
>> >> multiple CSS for each browser??? Furthermore, I have nailed it with
>> >> the Home
>> >> and Contact pages as they display no white space. Frustrating my
>> >> friends...
>> >> --
>> >> Many Regards and Thank You,
>> >> Sixbells
>> >
>> > I would use a decent package such as Dreamweaver or if you cant afford
>> > it go for Coffee Cup.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > tankman
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > tankman's Profile: http://nettechguide.com/forums/member.php?u=30 >> > View this thread:
>> > http://nettechguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2241730 >> >
>>
>>
(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:57 am
Post subject: Re: Frustrated, Frontpage compatibility with 3rd party browsers... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Actually, empty table cells are not really 'ignored', but some browsers will
not show borders or background colors in them. I'm not sure, but I think
that was primarily a problem with older versions of IE (pre 7) or Safari
(pre 3). The thing to REALLY avoid is merging/splitting of cells.
1. When I need to merge cells...
a. If they are horizontally adjacent, instead of merging them, I end
the current table, and 'stack' a new one underneath it with the desired cell
configuration.
b. If they are vertically adjacent, then I end the current table at the
row ABOVE the row where the need for merging begins. I then start a new
table with two cells in one row, and place a properly structured inner table
in each of those two cells.
2. When I need to split cells, I just insert a nested table with the proper
cell configuration into the cell I would otherwise split.
The goal here is to completely avoid merging or splitting cells (i.e., using
col- or rowspan attributes in your table markup), since that's what makes
Draw table's tables so fragile.
--
Murray
MVP Expression Web
"Ronx" <ronx917.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Don't use the draw table tool. That will add height attributes to
> everything (tables and table cells) which you will then have to remove.
>
> Use the Table menu: Table->Insert Table
> Set the widths of cells using cell properties (right click in a cell,
> choose cell properties and set the width), but do not set the height.
>
> Don't add empty table cells (your existing layout has a whole column of
> empty cells) - these are ignored by some browsers and only add to code
> bloat.
> --
> Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (Expression)
> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>
> http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp >
>
>
>
> "Sixbells" <Sixbells.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C83F6B20-598B-49E7-AB6D-DF54F7B6C175@microsoft.com:
>
>> I will re-write it with nested tables, a good do over usually results in
>> better code anyway. But one question, when designing the main table just
>> basically use the Draw Layout Table tool first, the insert tables using
>> the
>> Draw Table tool? I am a FrontPage guy, have always used it and don't
>> really
>> want to go through the learning curve of Dreamweaver right now. But
>> thanks
>> for the reply and input tankman!
>> --
>> Many Regards and Thank You,
>> Sixbells
>>
>>
>> "Rob Giordano [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>
>> > and that would fix it, eh?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Rob Giordano
>> > Microsoft MVP Expression
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "tankman" <car.RemoveThis@car.com> wrote in message
>> > news:tankman.3h1jnh@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au...
>> > >
>> > > Sixbells;9207716 Wrote:
>> > >> Website: http://www.mwncov.com/ >> > >> On the three Lawyers pages I get white space at the bottom of the
>> > >> pages
>> > >> with
>> > >> Netscape, Opera, Foxfire and Safari browsers. I have tried to
>> > >> eliminating
>> > >> height in tables, moving all of the tables above the max height of
>> > >> the
>> > >> Banner
>> > >> Image of 706 px, eliminating as many empty tables as possible, and
>> > >> have
>> > >> had
>> > >> no luck eliminating the white space. I am at a loss, should I set
>> > >> up
>> > >> multiple CSS for each browser??? Furthermore, I have nailed it with
>> > >> the Home
>> > >> and Contact pages as they display no white space. Frustrating my
>> > >> friends...
>> > >> --
>> > >> Many Regards and Thank You,
>> > >> Sixbells
>> > >
>> > > I would use a decent package such as Dreamweaver or if you cant
>> > > afford
>> > > it go for Coffee Cup.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > tankman
>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > tankman's Profile: http://nettechguide.com/forums/member.php?u=30 >> > > View this thread:
>> > > http://nettechguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2241730 >> > >
>> >
>> >
>
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