(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:12 am
Post subject: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine Archived from groups: microsoft>public>visio>troubleshoot (more info?)
I get this error no matter what PC I have Visio installed on, I have both
the Visio 2003 Professional version and Visio 2003 for Enterprise Architects
(on those mac hines where I have VS2005 installed).
I have it installed on 3 PCs at home and 2 at work and I get the same error
every time when I try to either open up a Database Visio Diagram or create a
new one. Is there a windows update that screws up Visio that I can
uninstall? I haven't done any product updates to Visio itself because after
reading through various groups it seems the updates cause more problems than
solve them. I am to the point of just reinstalling windows, then sp2 and
then office 2003 and not installing any other updates beyond that.
Are there any workarounds so I don't have to do this?
This problem has suddenly occured in the last two weeks and I can only
attribute to some kind of conflict with one of Any help would be
appreciated.
(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:14 am
Post subject: Re: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Sorry, meant to say "some kind of conflict with one of the recent windows
update hotfixes".
"reaverto" <reaverto.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zZQOj.78111$Cj7.37521@pd7urf2no...
>I get this error no matter what PC I have Visio installed on, I have both
>the Visio 2003 Professional version and Visio 2003 for Enterprise
>Architects (on those mac hines where I have VS2005 installed).
>
> I have it installed on 3 PCs at home and 2 at work and I get the same
> error every time when I try to either open up a Database Visio Diagram or
> create a new one. Is there a windows update that screws up Visio that I
> can uninstall? I haven't done any product updates to Visio itself because
> after reading through various groups it seems the updates cause more
> problems than solve them. I am to the point of just reinstalling windows,
> then sp2 and then office 2003 and not installing any other updates beyond
> that.
>
> Are there any workarounds so I don't have to do this?
>
> This problem has suddenly occured in the last two weeks and I can only
> attribute to some kind of conflict with one of Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:01 am
Post subject: Re: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
I found the following Visio update breaks the Modeling Engine: KB947650
Made sure I had "show updates" checked off in add/remove programs and was
able to uninstall it, now everything works.
"reaverto" <reaverto DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:S%QOj.76969$rd2.35285@pd7urf3no...
> Sorry, meant to say "some kind of conflict with one of the recent windows
> update hotfixes".
> "reaverto" <reaverto DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zZQOj.78111$Cj7.37521@pd7urf2no...
>>I get this error no matter what PC I have Visio installed on, I have both
>>the Visio 2003 Professional version and Visio 2003 for Enterprise
>>Architects (on those mac hines where I have VS2005 installed).
>>
>> I have it installed on 3 PCs at home and 2 at work and I get the same
>> error every time when I try to either open up a Database Visio Diagram or
>> create a new one. Is there a windows update that screws up Visio that I
>> can uninstall? I haven't done any product updates to Visio itself because
>> after reading through various groups it seems the updates cause more
>> problems than solve them. I am to the point of just reinstalling windows,
>> then sp2 and then office 2003 and not installing any other updates beyond
>> that.
>>
>> Are there any workarounds so I don't have to do this?
>>
>> This problem has suddenly occured in the last two weeks and I can only
>> attribute to some kind of conflict with one of Any help would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>
>
(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:13 am
Post subject: Re: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
I received the error with SP3 installed.
Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.
"Barb Way" wrote:
> By the way - our testing so far shows that the problem is occurring when
> installing the MS08-019 update on Visio 2003 SP2. If you then update to
> SP3, you should be okay. Similarly, if you have SP3 and apply the security
> update, the problem doesn't occur as well. It seems to only happen with
> Visio 2003 SP2 and the security update.
>
>
> Barb Way
> Product Support - Visio
> Microsoft Corporation
> [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.]
> --------------------
> X-Tomcat-ID: 278878760
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> From: barbway DeleteThis @online.microsoft.com (Barb Way)
> Organization: CSS
> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 23:53:55 GMT
> Subject: Re: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine
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>
> Thanks for the update. I'm glad you were able to pin down the problem and
> uninstall the update.
>
> We have had other reports of this problem as well, and the patching group
> is working on a replacement update.
>
>
> Barb Way
> Product Support - Visio
> Microsoft Corporation
> [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.]
> --------------------
> I found the following Visio update breaks the Modeling Engine: KB947650
>
> Made sure I had "show updates" checked off in add/remove programs and was
> able to uninstall it, now everything works.
>
> "reaverto" <reaverto DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:S%QOj.76969$rd2.35285@pd7urf3no...
> > Sorry, meant to say "some kind of conflict with one of the recent windows
> > update hotfixes".
> > "reaverto" <reaverto DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zZQOj.78111$Cj7.37521@pd7urf2no...
> >>I get this error no matter what PC I have Visio installed on, I have both
> >>the Visio 2003 Professional version and Visio 2003 for Enterprise
> >>Architects (on those mac hines where I have VS2005 installed).
> >>
> >> I have it installed on 3 PCs at home and 2 at work and I get the same
> >> error every time when I try to either open up a Database Visio Diagram
> or
> >> create a new one. Is there a windows update that screws up Visio that I
> >> can uninstall? I haven't done any product updates to Visio itself
> because
> >> after reading through various groups it seems the updates cause more
> >> problems than solve them. I am to the point of just reinstalling
> windows,
> >> then sp2 and then office 2003 and not installing any other updates
> beyond
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Are there any workarounds so I don't have to do this?
> >>
> >> This problem has suddenly occured in the last two weeks and I can only
> >> attribute to some kind of conflict with one of Any help would be
> >> appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:56 am
Post subject: Re: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix this
issue. Thanks
"Barb Way" wrote:
> Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
> with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
> update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already and
> apply the Security update, the problem occurs.
>
>
> Barb Way
> Product Support - Visio
> Microsoft Corporation
> [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.]
> --------------------
> Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine
>
> I received the error with SP3 installed.
>
> Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.
>
> "Barb Way" wrote:
>
> > By the way - our testing so far shows that the problem is occurring when
> > installing the MS08-019 update on Visio 2003 SP2. If you then update to
> > SP3, you should be okay. Similarly, if you have SP3 and apply the
> security
> > update, the problem doesn't occur as well. It seems to only happen with
> > Visio 2003 SP2 and the security update.
> >
> >
> > Barb Way
> > Product Support - Visio
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.]
> > --------------------
> > X-Tomcat-ID: 278878760
> > References: <zZQOj.78111$Cj7.37521@pd7urf2no>
> > <S%QOj.76969$rd2.35285@pd7urf3no> <XTUOj.208216$pM4.198417@pd7urf1no>
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
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> boundary="----=_NextPart_0001_A51B3DF0"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > From: barbway.RemoveThis@online.microsoft.com (Barb Way)
> > Organization: CSS
> > Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 23:53:55 GMT
> > Subject: Re: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine
> > X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.visio.troubleshoot
> > Message-ID: <2boUM$KrIHA.1788@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
> > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.visio.troubleshoot
> > Lines: 111
> > Path: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
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> > NNTP-Posting-Host: tk5tomimport2.phx.gbl 10.201.218.20
> >
> > Thanks for the update. I'm glad you were able to pin down the problem
> and
> > uninstall the update.
> >
> > We have had other reports of this problem as well, and the patching group
> > is working on a replacement update.
> >
> >
> > Barb Way
> > Product Support - Visio
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.]
> > --------------------
> > I found the following Visio update breaks the Modeling Engine: KB947650
> >
> > Made sure I had "show updates" checked off in add/remove programs and was
> > able to uninstall it, now everything works.
> >
> > "reaverto" <reaverto.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:S%QOj.76969$rd2.35285@pd7urf3no...
> > > Sorry, meant to say "some kind of conflict with one of the recent
> windows
> > > update hotfixes".
> > > "reaverto" <reaverto.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:zZQOj.78111$Cj7.37521@pd7urf2no...
> > >>I get this error no matter what PC I have Visio installed on, I have
> both
> > >>the Visio 2003 Professional version and Visio 2003 for Enterprise
> > >>Architects (on those mac hines where I have VS2005 installed).
> > >>
> > >> I have it installed on 3 PCs at home and 2 at work and I get the same
> > >> error every time when I try to either open up a Database Visio Diagram
> > or
> > >> create a new one. Is there a windows update that screws up Visio that
> I
> > >> can uninstall? I haven't done any product updates to Visio itself
> > because
> > >> after reading through various groups it seems the updates cause more
> > >> problems than solve them. I am to the point of just reinstalling
> > windows,
> > >> then sp2 and then office 2003 and not installing any other updates
> > beyond
> > >> that.
> > >>
> > >> Are there any workarounds so I don't have to do this?
> > >>
> > >> This problem has suddenly occured in the last two weeks and I can only
> > >> attribute to some kind of conflict with one of Any help would be
> > >> appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks in advance.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:05 am
Post subject: Re: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton
"Barb Way" wrote:
> There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked on.
> I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
> known.
>
> Barb Way
> Product Support - Visio
> Microsoft Corporation
> [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.]
>
> is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
> this
> issue. Thanks
>
>
>
> "Barb Way" wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not occur
> > with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
> > update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already
> and
> > apply the Security update, the problem occurs.
> >
> >
> > Barb Way
> > Product Support - Visio
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.]
> > --------------------
> > Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine
> >
> > I received the error with SP3 installed.
> >
> > Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.
> >
[snip]
(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:01 am
Post subject: Re: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
For a large corporation I have been asked to package this hotfix to deploy to
machines with Visio SP2.
The problem we face is that we cannot upgrade to Visio SP3 (no resource /
budget / project) or remove the security hotfix.
This new hotfix hotfix does install on SP2 and does in fact get rid of the
error message in Visio. However we cannot be sure it does not break anything
else.
Will Microsoft be doing anything to fix this for SP2 users? and or offer any
guidance other than to just upgrade or remove the KB947650 fix ?
"Barb Way" wrote:
> FYI - A fix has been released which will resolve this issue and allow you
> to work with the DB Modeling solution after the installation of the
> security update in MS08-019.
>
> The new hotfix ID is 958641, and it is available now, but must be requested
> through (no-charge) support. You can review the options for making contact
> with the support organization on the website here :
> http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=support >
> The article for the fix is : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958641 >
> Two items of note:
> > This update is basedline on Visio 2003 SP3, and unless that SP level is
> installed, the update will not install.
> > The article is being updated, and currently doesn't list the db modeling
> issue among the issues fixed.
>
>
> Barb Way
> Product Support - Visio
> Microsoft Corporation
> [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.]
> --------------------
>
> There is a fix under development, not yet available. I'll check again at
> the end of the month and update this post and the others on this issue.
>
> Barb Way
> Product Support - Visio
> Microsoft Corporation
> [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.]
> --------------------
>
> Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton
>
> "Barb Way" wrote:
>
> > There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked
> on.
> > I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
> > known.
> >
> > Barb Way
> > Product Support - Visio
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.]
> >
> > is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
> > this
> > issue. Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > "Barb Way" wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not
> occur
> > > with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the security
> > > update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3 already
> > and
> > > apply the Security update, the problem occurs.
> > >
> > >
> > > Barb Way
> > > Product Support - Visio
> > > Microsoft Corporation
> > > [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> > > rights.]
> > > --------------------
> > > Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine
> > >
> > > I received the error with SP3 installed.
> > >
> > > Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.
> > >
> [snip]
>
>
>
(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:52 am
Post subject: Re: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Any update on this?
Thanks
"Barb Way" wrote:
> Checking again on the article, I may have been wrong about the baseline. I
> will check and let you know.
>
> As I noted, the article is not updated for both issues fixed yet, either.
>
> Barb Way
> Product Support - Visio
> Microsoft Corporation
> [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.]
> --------------------
>
> For a large corporation I have been asked to package this hotfix to deploy
> to
> machines with Visio SP2.
>
> The problem we face is that we cannot upgrade to Visio SP3 (no resource /
> budget / project) or remove the security hotfix.
>
> This new hotfix hotfix does install on SP2 and does in fact get rid of the
> error message in Visio. However we cannot be sure it does not break
> anything
> else.
>
> Will Microsoft be doing anything to fix this for SP2 users? and or offer
> any
> guidance other than to just upgrade or remove the KB947650 fix ?
>
>
> "Barb Way" wrote:
>
> > FYI - A fix has been released which will resolve this issue and allow you
> > to work with the DB Modeling solution after the installation of the
> > security update in MS08-019.
> >
> > The new hotfix ID is 958641, and it is available now, but must be
> requested
> > through (no-charge) support. You can review the options for making
> contact
> > with the support organization on the website here :
> > http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=support > >
> > The article for the fix is : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958641 > >
> > Two items of note:
> > > This update is basedline on Visio 2003 SP3, and unless that SP level
> is
> > installed, the update will not install.
> > > The article is being updated, and currently doesn't list the db
> modeling
> > issue among the issues fixed.
> >
> >
> > Barb Way
> > Product Support - Visio
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.]
> > --------------------
> >
> > There is a fix under development, not yet available. I'll check again at
> > the end of the month and update this post and the others on this issue.
> >
> > Barb Way
> > Product Support - Visio
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.]
> > --------------------
> >
> > Is there an update on this issue? Thanks. Kathleen Litton
> >
> > "Barb Way" wrote:
> >
> > > There is no re-release date announced, but a new update is being worked
> > on.
> > > I will update this post when something becomes available or a date is
> > > known.
> > >
> > > Barb Way
> > > Product Support - Visio
> > > Microsoft Corporation
> > > [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> > > rights.]
> > >
> > > is there any news on this, haven't seen any rerelease of MS08-19 to fix
> > > this
> > > issue. Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Barb Way" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the info - I was incorrect in stating that it would not
> > occur
> > > > with SP3 and the MS08-019 update. For users with SP2 and the
> security
> > > > update, applying SP3 seem to work okay. But when you have SP3
> already
> > > and
> > > > apply the Security update, the problem occurs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Barb Way
> > > > Product Support - Visio
> > > > Microsoft Corporation
> > > > [This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no
> > > > rights.]
> > > > --------------------
> > > > Thread-Topic: Error - Failed to initialize the modeling engine
> > > >
> > > > I received the error with SP3 installed.
> > > >
> > > > Uninstalling the security patch fixed the problem immediately.
> > > >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> >
>
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