Drop down is not displaying over frames

oh I see... that's a pity, as that's the way our intranet homepage was
designed and I don;t want to play around with the design now, I just wanted
to add a drop-down on top.

Thx for your help Stefan - was very useful!
--
MkS


"Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:

> Contents of a frame can never overlap into another frame
> - each frame is a separate browser window that can not overlap the other
> Change your design to make the frame window large enough to view the full drop down
>
> --
>
> _____________________________________________
> SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
> _____________________________________________
>
>
> "Marindi" <Marindi.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:561DB5C7-AB8A-4B1C-8BB4-E3BCA33E7CD9@microsoft.com...
> |I have a homepage made up of 3 frames - top: navigation bar, middle:
> | contents, bottom: footer. I have created a drop-down menu on one of the tabs
> | in the top frame, but when I preview the whole page the drop-down does not
> | display over the frame below. It's as if it is dropping down 'behind' the
> | middle frame. Is there a way around this? I have seen this working on an
> | older version of the site, but only have a screenprint of that site to work
> | with (no code)
> | --
> | MkS
>
>
>

I have talked to my boss and we do not want the top frame larger, so we are
going to re-develop the site to do away with frames.

I am new to FP, so what is the best way to set up the layout of the
homepage, if not using frames? We want a top 'box' with the main site name
etc (to stay static when opening all pages below) + a left 'box' with the
main menu items, drop-downs, etc (also to stay static) + a middle 'box' with
the contents display as you click on the menu. If you can just point me in
the right direction I can read up about it etc. Thx!
--
MkS


"Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:

> Contents of a frame can never overlap into another frame
> - each frame is a separate browser window that can not overlap the other
> Change your design to make the frame window large enough to view the full drop down
>
> --
>
> _____________________________________________
> SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
> _____________________________________________
>
>
> "Marindi" <Marindi.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:561DB5C7-AB8A-4B1C-8BB4-E3BCA33E7CD9@microsoft.com...
> |I have a homepage made up of 3 frames - top: navigation bar, middle:
> | contents, bottom: footer. I have created a drop-down menu on one of the tabs
> | in the top frame, but when I preview the whole page the drop-down does not
> | display over the frame below. It's as if it is dropping down 'behind' the
> | middle frame. Is there a way around this? I have seen this working on an
> | older version of the site, but only have a screenprint of that site to work
> | with (no code)
> | --
> | MkS
>
>
>

Use FP Templates for your site's 'boilerplate' layout elements. Use FP
Includes for your site's navigation elements. Go crazy!

--
Murray
MVP Expression Web


"Marindi" <Marindi DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EEA75792-C4FC-44A6-B4A0-71184867B70D@microsoft.com...
>I have talked to my boss and we do not want the top frame larger, so we are
> going to re-develop the site to do away with frames.
>
> I am new to FP, so what is the best way to set up the layout of the
> homepage, if not using frames? We want a top 'box' with the main site name
> etc (to stay static when opening all pages below) + a left 'box' with the
> main menu items, drop-downs, etc (also to stay static) + a middle 'box'
> with
> the contents display as you click on the menu. If you can just point me in
> the right direction I can read up about it etc. Thx!
> --
> MkS
>
>
> "Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
>
>> Contents of a frame can never overlap into another frame
>> - each frame is a separate browser window that can not overlap the other
>> Change your design to make the frame window large enough to view the full
>> drop down
>>
>> --
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>> SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
>> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
>> _____________________________________________
>>
>>
>> "Marindi" <Marindi DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:561DB5C7-AB8A-4B1C-8BB4-E3BCA33E7CD9@microsoft.com...
>> |I have a homepage made up of 3 frames - top: navigation bar, middle:
>> | contents, bottom: footer. I have created a drop-down menu on one of the
>> tabs
>> | in the top frame, but when I preview the whole page the drop-down does
>> not
>> | display over the frame below. It's as if it is dropping down 'behind'
>> the
>> | middle frame. Is there a way around this? I have seen this working on
>> an
>> | older version of the site, but only have a screenprint of that site to
>> work
>> | with (no code)
>> | --
>> | MkS
>>
>>
>>

What he said

But seriously, I used to use frames and was discouraged by experts such as
Murray. So I have redeveloped my family site and a club site using the
approach of includes.

It can drive you crazy getting it right, and without using FP includes, it
would require care to see that the included code is always correct, e.g. a
lot of cutting and pasting.

So long live FP. (I did some across a nice piece of software that duplicates
this function using PERL, but I don't use it any more.)
--
Trevor Lawrence
Canberra
Web Site http://trevorl.mvps.org

"Murray" <forums DeleteThis @great-web-sights.com> wrote in message
news:Oy9gTRvKJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Use FP Templates for your site's 'boilerplate' layout elements. Use FP
> Includes for your site's navigation elements. Go crazy!
>
> --
> Murray
> MVP Expression Web
>
>
> "Marindi" <Marindi DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EEA75792-C4FC-44A6-B4A0-71184867B70D@microsoft.com...
>>I have talked to my boss and we do not want the top frame larger, so we
>>are
>> going to re-develop the site to do away with frames.
>>
>> I am new to FP, so what is the best way to set up the layout of the
>> homepage, if not using frames? We want a top 'box' with the main site
>> name
>> etc (to stay static when opening all pages below) + a left 'box' with the
>> main menu items, drop-downs, etc (also to stay static) + a middle 'box'
>> with
>> the contents display as you click on the menu. If you can just point me
>> in
>> the right direction I can read up about it etc. Thx!
>> --
>> MkS
>>
>>
>> "Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
>>
>>> Contents of a frame can never overlap into another frame
>>> - each frame is a separate browser window that can not overlap the other
>>> Change your design to make the frame window large enough to view the
>>> full drop down
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> _____________________________________________
>>> SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
>>> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
>>> _____________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> "Marindi" <Marindi DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:561DB5C7-AB8A-4B1C-8BB4-E3BCA33E7CD9@microsoft.com...
>>> |I have a homepage made up of 3 frames - top: navigation bar, middle:
>>> | contents, bottom: footer. I have created a drop-down menu on one of
>>> the tabs
>>> | in the top frame, but when I preview the whole page the drop-down does
>>> not
>>> | display over the frame below. It's as if it is dropping down 'behind'
>>> the
>>> | middle frame. Is there a way around this? I have seen this working on
>>> an
>>> | older version of the site, but only have a screenprint of that site to
>>> work
>>> | with (no code)
>>> | --
>>> | MkS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Thx!! I have set up the homepage using layout tables. 2 questions:

1. I have a seperate htm page that forms the header/top section of the site.
Is it better to copy & paste the code into the top row of my layout table, or
should I make it a dwt, create editable region and insert the file? (same for
left menu/column)

2. If I have my navigation menu in the left box/column - how do I set up the
hyperlinks so that when I click on an item, it opens the contents on the
middle 'box'/cell. It only gives me the option of choosing a target frame,
but when you're not using frames, how do you do it? especially if the code of
the menu is in a seperate file (i.e. it's an include)?

sorry for the basic questions, i'm still learning
--
MkS


"Trevor Lawrence" wrote:

> What he said
>
> But seriously, I used to use frames and was discouraged by experts such as
> Murray. So I have redeveloped my family site and a club site using the
> approach of includes.
>
> It can drive you crazy getting it right, and without using FP includes, it
> would require care to see that the included code is always correct, e.g. a
> lot of cutting and pasting.
>
> So long live FP. (I did some across a nice piece of software that duplicates
> this function using PERL, but I don't use it any more.)
> --
> Trevor Lawrence
> Canberra
> Web Site http://trevorl.mvps.org
>
> "Murray" <forums.TakeThisOut@great-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:Oy9gTRvKJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > Use FP Templates for your site's 'boilerplate' layout elements. Use FP
> > Includes for your site's navigation elements. Go crazy!
> >
> > --
> > Murray
> > MVP Expression Web
> >
> >
> > "Marindi" <Marindi.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:EEA75792-C4FC-44A6-B4A0-71184867B70D@microsoft.com...
> >>I have talked to my boss and we do not want the top frame larger, so we
> >>are
> >> going to re-develop the site to do away with frames.
> >>
> >> I am new to FP, so what is the best way to set up the layout of the
> >> homepage, if not using frames? We want a top 'box' with the main site
> >> name
> >> etc (to stay static when opening all pages below) + a left 'box' with the
> >> main menu items, drop-downs, etc (also to stay static) + a middle 'box'
> >> with
> >> the contents display as you click on the menu. If you can just point me
> >> in
> >> the right direction I can read up about it etc. Thx!
> >> --
> >> MkS
> >>
> >>
> >> "Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Contents of a frame can never overlap into another frame
> >>> - each frame is a separate browser window that can not overlap the other
> >>> Change your design to make the frame window large enough to view the
> >>> full drop down
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> _____________________________________________
> >>> SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
> >>> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
> >>> _____________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Marindi" <Marindi.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:561DB5C7-AB8A-4B1C-8BB4-E3BCA33E7CD9@microsoft.com...
> >>> |I have a homepage made up of 3 frames - top: navigation bar, middle:
> >>> | contents, bottom: footer. I have created a drop-down menu on one of
> >>> the tabs
> >>> | in the top frame, but when I preview the whole page the drop-down does
> >>> not
> >>> | display over the frame below. It's as if it is dropping down 'behind'
> >>> the
> >>> | middle frame. Is there a way around this? I have seen this working on
> >>> an
> >>> | older version of the site, but only have a screenprint of that site to
> >>> work
> >>> | with (no code)
> >>> | --
> >>> | MkS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>
>

Question 1:
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

1) You can use the existing header/top page as an include file and
include it into all pages. It is not necessary to place the include in
an editable region, unless you want different groups of pages to have
different menus.

2) You can use a DWT (which will incorporate your layout table) and add
the contents of the header/top page into the DWT.

3) As 2), but use the header/top page as an Include file in the DWT.

My personal choice is to mix 2) and 3) - Use a DWT, and make the
navigation an included file, and the rest of the masthead as fixed
content.


Qustion 2:

You don't. For this to happen you need either frames, an iFrame
(similar problems for the author and user as frames), or a lot of
JavaScript and hefty downloads.

Each link will open a new page. Each page is based on the DWT which
already contains the menu, masthead etc.

If it helps a copy of the DWT I used on some of my pages is at
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/dwt/site.htm
This uses include files for the top and left menus, and the footer.
Notice that the top menu is an include file, not in an editable region,
but the left menu is an include file placed in an editable region.
A page using this DWT is at
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/tests/email-check.htm - the left menu is
not the same as in the DWT.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (Expression)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp




"Marindi" <Marindi RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:600B708E-DBAD-43AB-84AB-92FE3EFF6D7D@microsoft.com:

> Thx!! I have set up the homepage using layout tables. 2 questions:
>
> 1. I have a seperate htm page that forms the header/top section of the site.
> Is it better to copy & paste the code into the top row of my layout table, or
> should I make it a dwt, create editable region and insert the file? (same for
> left menu/column)
>
> 2. If I have my navigation menu in the left box/column - how do I set up the
> hyperlinks so that when I click on an item, it opens the contents on the
> middle 'box'/cell. It only gives me the option of choosing a target frame,
> but when you're not using frames, how do you do it? especially if the code of
> the menu is in a seperate file (i.e. it's an include)?
>
> sorry for the basic questions, i'm still learning
> --
> MkS
>
>
> "Trevor Lawrence" wrote:
>
> > What he said
> >
> > But seriously, I used to use frames and was discouraged by experts such as
> > Murray. So I have redeveloped my family site and a club site using the
> > approach of includes.
> >
> > It can drive you crazy getting it right, and without using FP includes, it
> > would require care to see that the included code is always correct, e.g. a
> > lot of cutting and pasting.
> >
> > So long live FP. (I did some across a nice piece of software that duplicates
> > this function using PERL, but I don't use it any more.)
> > --
> > Trevor Lawrence
> > Canberra
> > Web Site http://trevorl.mvps.org
> >
> > "Murray" <forums RemoveThis @great-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> > news:Oy9gTRvKJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > > Use FP Templates for your site's 'boilerplate' layout elements. Use FP
> > > Includes for your site's navigation elements. Go crazy!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Murray
> > > MVP Expression Web
> > >
> > >
> > > "Marindi" <Marindi RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:EEA75792-C4FC-44A6-B4A0-71184867B70D@microsoft.com...
> > >>I have talked to my boss and we do not want the top frame larger, so we
> > >>are
> > >> going to re-develop the site to do away with frames.
> > >>
> > >> I am new to FP, so what is the best way to set up the layout of the
> > >> homepage, if not using frames? We want a top 'box' with the main site
> > >> name
> > >> etc (to stay static when opening all pages below) + a left 'box' with the
> > >> main menu items, drop-downs, etc (also to stay static) + a middle 'box'
> > >> with
> > >> the contents display as you click on the menu. If you can just point me
> > >> in
> > >> the right direction I can read up about it etc. Thx!
> > >> --
> > >> MkS
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Contents of a frame can never overlap into another frame
> > >>> - each frame is a separate browser window that can not overlap the other
> > >>> Change your design to make the frame window large enough to view the
> > >>> full drop down
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> _____________________________________________
> > >>> SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
> > >>> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
> > >>> _____________________________________________
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> "Marindi" <Marindi RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > >>> news:561DB5C7-AB8A-4B1C-8BB4-E3BCA33E7CD9@microsoft.com...
> > >>> |I have a homepage made up of 3 frames - top: navigation bar, middle:
> > >>> | contents, bottom: footer. I have created a drop-down menu on one of
> > >>> the tabs
> > >>> | in the top frame, but when I preview the whole page the drop-down does
> > >>> not
> > >>> | display over the frame below. It's as if it is dropping down 'behind'
> > >>> the
> > >>> | middle frame. Is there a way around this? I have seen this working on
> > >>> an
> > >>> | older version of the site, but only have a screenprint of that site to
> > >>> work
> > >>> | with (no code)
> > >>> | --
> > >>> | MkS
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> >
> >