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Benefits of Publisher 2007 for commercial CMYK printing?

 
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Matt Beals

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:06 pm
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Not necessarily. There are some important exceptions to that
generalization. Similar things can happen in "professional" applications
if you aren't careful.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <CB40D9BE-9182-4ABF-A361-D68E297D91FC RemoveThis @microsoft.com>,
> Mr. Analogy <MrAnalogy RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious as to how you discovered that Publisher converts CMYK TIFFs to
>> RGB internally (since it's happening internally). (I'm wondering how anyone
>> would be able to figure that out. And I'm guessing MS wouldn't *tell us*
>> about such goofiness <g>
>
> That's been a known issue for a long, long time. We know it
> because....we know it.
>
> It's easy to look at a PDF and know what the PDF itself consists of, and
> compare that to what you started with in the Publisher document itself.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:47 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:53 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:53 pm
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True, Publisher itself does not have the built-in toolbox to make it
happen. But tools are available to everyone to make it happen relatively
simply. Mac OS X has its own inherent issues. One of them being
everything is in Calibrated, RGB unlike Windows which uses sRGB, when
relying on certain functions in Quartz. Like making a PDF from Pages,
Mail, Keynote, etc. It's basically the same set of problems on a
different platform.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <#y5F77QIJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
> Matt Beals <matt DeleteThis @mattbeals.com> wrote:
>
>>> (well, friends don't let friends use Publisher for anything beyond
>>> what's being printed to a local inkjet...)
>> I'm no "fan" of Publisher but I will say this: Good design is good
>> design. Bad design is bad design. Doesn't matter what tool you use.
>
> I'm not talking about the design.
>
> Design on the screen is useless to a print house. It must be put onto a
> substrate somehow. Publisher does not have a suitable toolbox to make
> that happen correctly and/or with nearly enough flexibility. Make a
> good design in Publisher, then get stuck trying to make it print.
> That's a fact.
>
>
> In fact, you admit that when you say that:
>
>>>> How do you quantify the quality of the PDF? Remember where it's coming
>>>> from; Publisher. Does that mean it is not as good as Nitro PDF? No, not
>>>> necessarily. There are a huge number of factors that really come down to
>>>> Publisher itself and how *it* works when printing. Publisher relies on
>>>> Windows itself for many things. So many of the problems you may or may
>>>> not run into come from how Windows does things.
>> Windows "printing" for commercial print isn't "broken", but it's not
>> exactly "high end".
>
>
>> For that matter neither is Mac OS X.
>
> ????? Not sure where that one came from.
>
>
>
>> The difference
>> between Publisher and Adobe InDesign (on Windows) is that Adobe InDesign
>> has its own driver/library for making PostScript/PDF that basically
>> bypasses the Windows GDI (the display/graphics/printing engine of
>> Windows). So by doing its own thing Adobe, therefore InDesign, can do
>> things "correctly".
>
> Yes.
>
> And Publisher can't, because it's tied to a system that can't.
>
>
>
>> I put correctly in quotation marks because "correct"
>> is a very subjective term in printing/publishing.
>
> "Correctly" will change for each situation, but there are a broad set of
> conditions that hold for just about every print job regardless. Then
> there are the unique items for each print job.
>
> Publisher handles about, oh, zero of those conditions.
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